From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1323 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, September 20 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1323 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1322 njc [Dave Blackburn ] Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1322 njc [Catherine McKay ] Joni guitar strings [c Karma ] Re: Joni guitar strings [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Joni guitar strings [Dave Blackburn ] Joni's first gig in the states ["Pat Boland" ] Sound City movie thread, njc [jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] RE: Joni guitar strings [c Karma ] re: Interview with Mike Gibbs [c Karma ] never was a cornflake girl [Betsy Blue ] RE: JMDL Digest V2013 #1322 njc ["Stebbing, David E." ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 06:51:11 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1322 njc It's rather amazing that with tobacco companies they were able to make a successful liability case and sue for billions, but with firearms manufacturers, who know full well the lethality of their products, the parallel case never seems to stick. On Sep 19, 2013, at 5:52 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > Yes, it's all motivated by profit. And arms manufacturing is highly profitable, both those intended for the individuals whose right it is to bear arms and for countries fighting wars, holy or unholy. How do they sleep at night? Well, they're just selling a product that people want. What those people do with these things isn't under the sellers' control. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Stebbing, David E." >> To: "joni@smoe.org" > >> >> Like everything else here (U.S.), guns are just another commodity, meant to >> generate a profit. That they're also killing machines is of no interest to >> their sellers and manufacturers. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 05:52:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1322 njc Yes, it's all motivated by profit. And arms manufacturing is highly profitable, both those intended for the individuals whose right it is to bear arms and for countries fighting wars, holy or unholy. How do they sleep at night? Well, they're just selling a product that people want. What those people do with these things isn't under the sellers' control. - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stebbing, David E." > To: "joni@smoe.org" > > Like everything else here (U.S.), guns are just another commodity, meant to > generate a profit. That they're also killing machines is of no interest to > their sellers and manufacturers. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 17:23:46 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: Joni guitar strings Would anyone know what brand/gauge guitar strings Joni favored during for her acoustic guitar work? I know that brands do update their technology, but her dreadnought was at work at least through TI. I've read recommendations for open tunings to wear heavier gauge but am not sure if Joni or her guitar techs would have followed that. BTW, did Joni employ a regular guitar tech? I had read of some association with McCabe's shop in Santa Monica, but don't know if she relied on them to tend her mounts. (Not sure if that sounds right...) CC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:46:23 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Joni guitar strings Joni claims to have weakness in her hands as a result of polio, and chose to explore tunings rather than learn more chord shapes as the fingerings could be easier. Therefore I would guess that she chose light guage strings even though they flap against the frets in dropped tunings. Fred Walecki from L.A Music in Santa Monica was her guitar tech who helped her set up all her instruments. It was he who sold off her five Ibanez GB10s on Ebay, at her request, and a couple of listers bought two of them. String technology has come a long way since Joni's career. Coated strings which have low squeak and corrosion, baritone sets that one could mix with standard gauges to get proper tension in her hybrid tunings (some strings dropped low and some closer to standard) and different metal combinations. If she were performing now she'd probably love the improvements in strings that have come along recently, not to mention pickups and their advances. Dave On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:23 AM, c Karma wrote: > Would anyone know what brand/gauge guitar strings Joni favored during for her > acoustic guitar work? I know that brands do update their technology, but her > dreadnought was at work at least through TI. I've read recommendations for > open tunings to wear heavier gauge but am not sure if Joni or her guitar techs > would have followed that. BTW, did Joni employ a regular guitar tech? I had > read of some association with McCabe's shop in Santa Monica, but don't know if > she relied on them to tend her mounts. (Not sure if that sounds right...) > CC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 20:19:49 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Joni guitar strings Ah...I guess Fred was formerly at West L.A Music, now closed, and is today at Westwood Music. On Sep 19, 2013, at 6:32 PM, shadows and light wrote: > westwood music in west la and westwood ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 03:01:43 +1000 From: "Pat Boland" Subject: Joni's first gig in the states Many of you know or are at least aware of me as that guy who was friends with Joni in 66-67 at the Cellar coffeehouse in Port Huron, MI so maybe you can empathize with me somewhat how I was greatly pleased and surprised to read in the latest addition to the JM.com library where she said "he (Chuck) wrote to me and said, "I've got a job lined up for you in Port Huron". Of course I knew she played there but I had no idea that the Cellar was the first ever place she played in the states. To be exact, Chuck and Joni played there before I came on the scene, in 65. Member Brian S. Moss was there at the time though and could probably tell you more about it. http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2687 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 21:38:22 -0400 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: Sound City movie thread, njc A website called popmarket.com is selling the movie Sound City and the CD Real To Reel in slightly discounted bundles for today only. Since I didn't have either, I snagged up on a bundle. This will bring my Blu-Ray library to... uhm... two. Jim L ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 19:24:15 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: RE: Joni guitar strings Thanks Anne,King Kong couldn't twist the neck of your Lowden. Do you have any issues with the coating flaking off the Elixirs? CC > From: asandstrom@demandware.com > To: ckarma@hotmail.com; joni@smoe.org > Subject: RE: Joni guitar strings > Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 17:42:47 +0000 > > I don't know what she used, but as someone who plays in several open tunings, I highly recommend Elixir Nanoweb strings. > It also doesn't hurt that my guitar is a Lowden F35 :-) > > Lots of love, > Anne > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of c Karma > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 1:24 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Joni guitar strings > > Would anyone know what brand/gauge guitar strings Joni favored during for her acoustic guitar work? I know that brands do update their technology, but her dreadnought was at work at least through TI. I've read recommendations for open tunings to wear heavier gauge but am not sure if Joni or her guitar techs would have followed that. BTW, did Joni employ a regular guitar tech? I had read of some association with McCabe's shop in Santa Monica, but don't know if she relied on them to tend her mounts. (Not sure if that sounds right...) CC > > This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain privileged and/or confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, forwarding or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message, all attachments and all copies and backups thereof. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 17:15:10 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: re: Interview with Mike Gibbs I've been away from the list for quite some time now and just happened both to have caught up when Dave announced he was going to have his chat with Mike, and now just when it is posted up. That was a great read. I'm flattered to have had my questions posed to Mike, thanks Dave! Now I can put away that nagging question about the piano being the culprit for the "out of tune" issue. I don't really think it is an issue, for me anyway. The off-tone placed it solidly in dreamscape for me. I thought it was an intentional, ballsy choice back in 1977. The process is not so calculated, it seems. I wonder if Mike still has a copy of the charts....? Hmmmm. If so, all we'd need is a piano player. I know one we can call... Now that Joni is on a speaking tour of sorts, she could perform the poem during the 9 minute improv. That would be a unique entertainment, no? CC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 05:45:57 -0700 From: Betsy Blue Subject: never was a cornflake girl What your taste in music says about you on a first date: http://www.howaboutwe.com/date-report/1610-what-your-taste-in-music-says-about-you-on-a-date/ Shari expected to read something more profound. I expected something more derisive. Making breakfast in the morning makes you sound like a nice, normal person who has it together. As opposed to people who like Bob Dylan and are assholes who don't know it. I found it ironic that we know Joni Mitchell did listen to Joni Mitchell on first dates, but she does not make breakfast in the morning. It's 8am somewhere? On a side note, what's with the whole seduction routine? She was a hot blonde, and most young men wouldn't have kicked her out of bed for eating crackers. Maybe throw in a couple of drinks for the married ones? I think she was trying to seduce guys into liking her music by offering romance and not vice versa. Many guys have pretended not to be annoyed by her so they can get laid. Betsy, who had a Weezer tape (!) in her car on her first date with her partner and rarely makes breakfast ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 09:56:17 -0400 From: "Stebbing, David E." Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2013 #1322 njc In addition to profit, I guess it might be a matter of how entrenched the sense of cultural entitlement is, when trying to overcome a destructive institution. - -----Original Message----- From: Dave Blackburn [mailto:beatntrack@att.net] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:51 AM To: Catherine McKay Cc: Stebbing, David E.; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1322 njc It's rather amazing that with tobacco companies they were able to make a successful liability case and sue for billions, but with firearms manufacturers, who know full well the lethality of their products, the parallel case never seems to stick. On Sep 19, 2013, at 5:52 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > Yes, it's all motivated by profit. And arms manufacturing is highly profitable, both those intended for the individuals whose right it is to bear arms and for countries fighting wars, holy or unholy. How do they sleep at night? Well, they're just selling a product that people want. What those people do with these things isn't under the sellers' control. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Stebbing, David E." >> To: "joni@smoe.org" > >> >> Like everything else here (U.S.), guns are just another commodity, >> meant to generate a profit. That they're also killing machines is of >> no interest to their sellers and manufacturers. ********************************************************************** U.S. Treasury Circular 230 Notice: Any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (a) avoiding penalties that may be imposed under the Internal Revenue Code or by any other applicable tax authority; or (b) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matter addressed herein. 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LOL Warmly, Cassy - -----Original Message----- From: Betsy Blue Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 5:45 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: never was a cornflake girl What your taste in music says about you on a first date: http://www.howaboutwe.com/date-report/1610-what-your-taste-in-music-says-about-you-on-a-date/ Shari expected to read something more profound. I expected something more derisive. Making breakfast in the morning makes you sound like a nice, normal person who has it together. As opposed to people who like Bob Dylan and are assholes who don't know it. I found it ironic that we know Joni Mitchell did listen to Joni Mitchell on first dates, but she does not make breakfast in the morning. It's 8am somewhere? On a side note, what's with the whole seduction routine? She was a hot blonde, and most young men wouldn't have kicked her out of bed for eating crackers. Maybe throw in a couple of drinks for the married ones? I think she was trying to seduce guys into liking her music by offering romance and not vice versa. Many guys have pretended not to be annoyed by her so they can get laid. Betsy, who had a Weezer tape (!) in her car on her first date with her partner and rarely makes breakfast ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1323 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------