From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1200 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, August 26 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1200 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: laura allen ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: Attention Joni chronology geeks - Joni and the dulcimer [Steve Dulson] Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1199 Joni influence [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 15:40:01 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: laura allen Another interesting JMDL find ... like when you told me about Judi Sill last year. Laura Allan is very meditative and I would put her in the ambient category (I'm not a big fan of the term New Age). I'm sure Joni may have learned a lot about the dulcimer from her but I don't see a comparison in their singing or musical style at all! But that's just me. :-) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of shadows and light Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 1:43 AM To: JMDL; Anita Tedder Subject: laura allen anita wrote: "I wonder, are there any links to Laura, Lesli?" on youtube, andy monheit has posted 11 songs from the whole earth festival in davis, circa 1970. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0lcAvPWyew&list=TLZxExyp1ocAw there are 10 more. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:59:26 -0400 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Re: Attention Joni chronology geeks - Joni and the dulcimer Good catch on the Estrella quote, Lesli! It's interesting that, in several places on-line that Laura looked to Joellen as a mentor both in playing and building dulcimers. I did find (duh!) the great interview Wally Breese did with Joellen back in 1997: http://www.jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1361 Lots of history in there - in that Joellen says the first meeting took place in "'68 or '69". I guess I should just contact Joellen and ask if Joni had another dulcimer. I'm confused about Estrella saying that Laura built the dulcimer Joni used on Blue. I've certainly never heard that before, but, who knows? All the best! Steve - ---- shadows and light wrote: > And then there's what Estra Estella Berosini wrote: "When people listen to > Joni Mitchell's "Blue" album, they think they're listening to > quintessential Joni. What people do not realize is that Joni was emulating > our good friend, Laura Allen. Joni wrote those amazing words, but they were > laid upon Laura Allen's style fingerprint. Laura not only made the dulcimer > Joni plays on this album, but Laura taught Joni how to play it in the style > Laura had developed. From that moment onward, Laura graciously smiled at > all comparisons made of her to Joni, but, it was the other way around. Joni > never evaded this fact, and often spoke of Laura Allen, giving credit where > credit is due, but, Joni's fans didn't want to hear that. When I first met > Laura at Joni's house, in 1970, it was obvious, and Joni made it clear, who > originated that particular song writing style. Even the song, Blue, which > Joni wrote on the piano, is written in Laura Allen's distinctive style. RIP > Laura Allen, you were so original, prolific, and endearing." *************************************************** Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA FAR-West (Folk Alliance Region - West) tinkersown@ca.rr.com www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 12:35:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1199 Joni influence I had never heard of Laura Allan either. I do get a bit of early Joni with a bit of Laura Nyro too in her vocal style. She seems much more the quintessential hippie/earth-goddess girl with the themes of her songs and the ambient sound of her music. I think Joni may have said that she may have some Sami blood (indigenous people of Norway, Sweden and Finnland, aka Lapps). I also have a dulcimer, thanks to another jmdler who found it for me and arranged to send it to me. I must get playing it (or anything) again. I challenge you to a dulcimer-off! >________________________________ > From: Mary Morris >To: JONIMITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST >Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 1:11:08 PM >Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2013 #1199 Joni influence > > >I am in awe of the general postings involving Laura Allan. Never heard of >her. Yes.....that's the Joni of The North, as someone said. Awesome, >awesome, awesome. Thank you JMDL. > >I agree that Buffy St. Marie is an influence, Joni has said so, back in the >day. Did someone say Joni may have Cree blood ? I remember her once >describing herself as a prairie mutt - so maybe that's what she meant. If her >family didn't acknowledge that part of the tree, that would be painful. > >I have a dulcimer too. Never quite learned how to play it. I've had it a >long, long time. It is sitting prettily in my living room. After I heard >Blue, I sent off to California for one. I have the Lapidus book too. Hearing >Laura Allan play makes me want to revisit it. It is such a lovely instrument & >not hard to play, so I need to get to it. I won't be able to replicate Joni's >crazy tunings, but I can still make music. > >And really sorry to hear of Ronstadt's plight. I remember she & Joni and >maybe others were in a People magazine, or something like that, long ago as >trailblazing women rockers. > > > > GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire >meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 20:54:34 +0100 From: Anita Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1199 Joni influence Hi Mary and Cat, Does it this mean it's time for us to start our band! "The Dulcimer Duo" - it has a certain ring don't you think? Mmmmm, perhaps not.it leaves one of us out. The Duelling Dulcimers? Dead End Dulcimers? Dream Dulcimers? Anita On 26 Aug 2013, at 20:35, Catherine McKay < > > I also have a dulcimer, thanks to another jmdler who found it for me and arranged to send it to me. I must get playing it (or anything) again. I challenge you to a dulcimer-off! > _______________________________ >> From: Mary Morris >> I have a dulcimer too. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:11:08 -0700 From: Mary Morris Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2013 #1199 Joni influence I am in awe of the general postings involving Laura Allan. Never heard of her. Yes.....that's the Joni of The North, as someone said. Awesome, awesome, awesome. Thank you JMDL. I agree that Buffy St. Marie is an influence, Joni has said so, back in the day. Did someone say Joni may have Cree blood ? I remember her once describing herself as a prairie mutt - so maybe that's what she meant. If her family didn't acknowledge that part of the tree, that would be painful. I have a dulcimer too. Never quite learned how to play it. I've had it a long, long time. It is sitting prettily in my living room. After I heard Blue, I sent off to California for one. I have the Lapidus book too. Hearing Laura Allan play makes me want to revisit it. It is such a lovely instrument & not hard to play, so I need to get to it. I won't be able to replicate Joni's crazy tunings, but I can still make music. And really sorry to hear of Ronstadt's plight. I remember she & Joni and maybe others were in a People magazine, or something like that, long ago as trailblazing women rockers. GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 03:00:03 -0400 > From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1199 > > > JMDL Digest Monday, August 26 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1199 > > > > ========== > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 15:40:59 -0400 > From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com > Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1198 > > Thanks to everyone who brought up this influence again. I guess i missed it when Paul posted the first time. I guess I missed it when reading Sheila Weller's book too. It seems strange that I missed it because I thought I paid close attention to the JMDL. > > In the past year, I learned that Joni seems heavily influenced by Buffy St. Marie and Laura Allen. Too bad she didn't give the props when Hear Music asked about her influences for that compilation disc. > > Combining these influences, it makes sense that Lakota, and Cherokee Louise came from the same muse. > > I think I understand better why Joni feels strongly about the health of First Nation issues. > > Some long held questions got answered this year, for sure. > > Jim L. > > > > Shari, thanks to Paul Castle posting this to the JMDL awhile ago....... > > > > Laura Allen.....like Joni singing > > > > Native American Ceremonial Song > > > > http://www.flyingsnail.com/Podcast/LauraAllan.mp3 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 14:22:15 -0400 > From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com > Subject: Linda Ronstadt update, njc > > This week I read on Facebook that Linda Ronstadt has Parkinson's disease. It is so severe that she cannot sing and she uses a wheelchair, when she's not using crutches. > > Thoughts and prayers go out to her. > > Jim L ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 20:00:52 -0700 From: Betsy Blue Subject: Appropriation of oppressed cultures Here's an assignment for you: Miley Cyrus and Joni Mitchell have both appropriated music and fashion from other cultures. Compare and contrast. Please assume talent and vulgarity are irrelevant. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1200 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------