From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1196 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, August 24 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1196 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Attention Joni chronology geeks - Joni and the dulcimer [shadows and ] Headphones postscript, njc [jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] Re: Joni on Transgender Folk [Lori Renee Fye ] Re: Joni on Transgender Folk [Lori Renee Fye ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 11:15:22 -0700 From: shadows and light Subject: Re: Attention Joni chronology geeks - Joni and the dulcimer And then there's what Estra Estella Berosini wrote: "When people listen to Joni Mitchell's "Blue" album, they think they're listening to quintessential Joni. What people do not realize is that Joni was emulating our good friend, Laura Allen. Joni wrote those amazing words, but they were laid upon Laura Allen's style fingerprint. Laura not only made the dulcimer Joni plays on this album, but Laura taught Joni how to play it in the style Laura had developed. From that moment onward, Laura graciously smiled at all comparisons made of her to Joni, but, it was the other way around. Joni never evaded this fact, and often spoke of Laura Allen, giving credit where credit is due, but, Joni's fans didn't want to hear that. When I first met Laura at Joni's house, in 1970, it was obvious, and Joni made it clear, who originated that particular song writing style. Even the song, Blue, which Joni wrote on the piano, is written in Laura Allen's distinctive style. RIP Laura Allen, you were so original, prolific, and endearing." Lesli On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Steve Dulson wrote: > Hello all! > > I have some questions about Joni chronology, particularly as it > pertains to her dulcimer playing. Joellen Lapidus, who built Joni's > dulcimers (the ones she is pictured with in various photos) says > in the Misses songbook that she met Joni at the 1967 Big Sur Folk > Festival. However, in an article in Dulcimer Players News the > unnamed author (MUST be Lapidus) says "When I met Joni Mitchell at > the Big Sur Folk Festival of 1968 and sold her the Wild Columbine > Dulcimer...(which)... She took...with her to Europe that summer, > and wrote four dulcimer songs over there." > > Hmm...Joni's trip to Europe, including the meeting on Crete with > Cary Raditz was in 1970. There is picture of Cary, Joni and the > dulcimer in Girls Like Us. I always figured Joni took the dulcimer > on that trip because it was smaller, lighter and easier to schlep > around than a guitar. > > Sheila Weller says the first meeting with Lapidus was in '68. I > think this is more likely. Joni was in England in summer '67, and > I really don't think she attended the BSFF that year. > > All this is relevant to me because I have been in correspondence > with an old acquaintance, who writes: > > "I do indeed still own the dulcimer. It has hardly been used all > these years (it needs new strings) but I still think it is a beautiful > instrument. My parents bought it for my birthday (I wanted a guitar). > My step-cousin, David Zeitlin, worked at McCabeb s (I think he may > have been a part ownerb¬ sure about that) and he had just gotten > the dulcimer back from Joni Mitchell who had bought it for herself. > I am not sure how long she had it but when someone gave her a gift of > another dulcimer, she brought it back and David passed it on to my > parents at a bargain price." > > The photo she took shows a very bare-bones dulcimer, with friction > tuning pegs (eek!) and no "extra" 6 1/2 fret. Maybe a McSpadden? > I've asked her for the maker's name and the year she acquired it. > > I'm wondering if Joni bought/rented it from McCabes (in Santa > Monica) to get some dulcimer time in before her Lapidus dulcimer > was ready...if she didn't take the Wild Columbine instrument home > from Big Sur...or maybe she'd been messing around with a dulcimer > before she met Lapidus? > > Any input welcomed! > > *************************************************** > Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA > FAR-West (Folk Alliance Region - West) > tinkersown@ca.rr.com www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 13:29:44 -0400 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: Headphones postscript, njc Recently I wrote about the Grado SR-80i headphones ($99 USD). I haven't compared them myself but Consumer Reports liked them more than every other model, including some worth $400. Anyway I got 2 years of daily service from my first pair. When I took them off and tossed them onto the desk, I missed. They fell three feet to the carpeted floor and one channel died. Hmm. Technically, it was my fault but a three foot fall shouldn't be fatal. I replaced them and again used them daily, but this time I was bringing them home in a backpack every day. In the morning, I would just pull them out, taken no particular care whatsoever. After a year of that, a plastic part on each side stopped holding its grip on a steel rod. Grado sent the replacement part for free but it doesn't appear to fit. I went to Guitar Center today to buy a headphone case but they don't have any. I know that Amazon has a variety but I was hoping to shop locally. So, I offer this cautionary tale. If you have a pair if Grados, treat them gently. Jim L ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 10:21:52 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Joni on Transgender Folk I would say that I saw anything resembling "hate" here, but perhaps insensitivity ... unintentional, really, but we're smart people and we usually think ahead. Lori On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Anita G wrote: > Like you, Victor, I haven't seen any hate whatsoever directed at > Chelsea Manning, and, in fact, feel the reverse is true, but I think > it's always worth apologising if something I have said or done has > hurt somebody. I don't want to hurt people. Rick said he felt hurt. I > know you will know that Right Speech is a portion of the Buddhist > Eightfold Path, so an apology is called for. > Anita > > > On 24/08/2013, Victor Johnson wrote: > > As I said already, no one has directed any hate whatsoever at Chelsea > > Manning so there is nothing to apologize for. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 10:22:11 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Joni on Transgender Folk That should have said, "I *wouldn't* say ..." On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Lori Renee Fye wrote: > I would say that I saw anything resembling "hate" here, but perhaps > insensitivity ... unintentional, really, but we're smart people and we > usually think ahead. > > Lori > > > On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Anita G wrote: > >> Like you, Victor, I haven't seen any hate whatsoever directed at >> Chelsea Manning, and, in fact, feel the reverse is true, but I think >> it's always worth apologising if something I have said or done has >> hurt somebody. I don't want to hurt people. Rick said he felt hurt. I >> know you will know that Right Speech is a portion of the Buddhist >> Eightfold Path, so an apology is called for. >> Anita >> >> >> On 24/08/2013, Victor Johnson wrote: >> > As I said already, no one has directed any hate whatsoever at Chelsea >> > Manning so there is nothing to apologize for. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1196 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------