From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1195 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, August 24 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1195 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni on Transgender Folk [Victor Johnson ] Re: Joni on Transgender Folk [Anita G ] Attention Joni chronology geeks - Joni and the dulcimer [Steve Dulson Subject: Re: Joni on Transgender Folk I apologize if anyone's feelings were hurt. Victor, ready to move on On Saturday, August 24, 2013, Anita G wrote: > Like you, Victor, I haven't seen any hate whatsoever directed at > Chelsea Manning, and, in fact, feel the reverse is true, but I think > it's always worth apologising if something I have said or done has > hurt somebody. I don't want to hurt people. Rick said he felt hurt. I > know you will know that Right Speech is a portion of the Buddhist > Eightfold Path, so an apology is called for. > Anita > > > On 24/08/2013, Victor Johnson > > wrote: > > As I said already, no one has directed any hate whatsoever at Chelsea > > Manning so there is nothing to apologize for. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 17:09:00 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Joni on Transgender Folk Like you, Victor, I haven't seen any hate whatsoever directed at Chelsea Manning, and, in fact, feel the reverse is true, but I think it's always worth apologising if something I have said or done has hurt somebody. I don't want to hurt people. Rick said he felt hurt. I know you will know that Right Speech is a portion of the Buddhist Eightfold Path, so an apology is called for. Anita On 24/08/2013, Victor Johnson wrote: > As I said already, no one has directed any hate whatsoever at Chelsea > Manning so there is nothing to apologize for. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 12:27:45 -0400 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Attention Joni chronology geeks - Joni and the dulcimer Hello all! I have some questions about Joni chronology, particularly as it pertains to her dulcimer playing. Joellen Lapidus, who built Joni's dulcimers (the ones she is pictured with in various photos) says in the Misses songbook that she met Joni at the 1967 Big Sur Folk Festival. However, in an article in Dulcimer Players News the unnamed author (MUST be Lapidus) says "When I met Joni Mitchell at the Big Sur Folk Festival of 1968 and sold her the Wild Columbine Dulcimer...(which)... She took...with her to Europe that summer, and wrote four dulcimer songs over there." Hmm...Joni's trip to Europe, including the meeting on Crete with Cary Raditz was in 1970. There is picture of Cary, Joni and the dulcimer in Girls Like Us. I always figured Joni took the dulcimer on that trip because it was smaller, lighter and easier to schlep around than a guitar. Sheila Weller says the first meeting with Lapidus was in '68. I think this is more likely. Joni was in England in summer '67, and I really don't think she attended the BSFF that year. All this is relevant to me because I have been in correspondence with an old acquaintance, who writes: "I do indeed still own the dulcimer. It has hardly been used all these years (it needs new strings) but I still think it is a beautiful instrument. My parents bought it for my birthday (I wanted a guitar). My step-cousin, David Zeitlin, worked at McCabebs (I think he may have been a part ownerb¬ sure about that) and he had just gotten the dulcimer back from Joni Mitchell who had bought it for herself. I am not sure how long she had it but when someone gave her a gift of another dulcimer, she brought it back and David passed it on to my parents at a bargain price." The photo she took shows a very bare-bones dulcimer, with friction tuning pegs (eek!) and no "extra" 6 1/2 fret. Maybe a McSpadden? I've asked her for the maker's name and the year she acquired it. I'm wondering if Joni bought/rented it from McCabes (in Santa Monica) to get some dulcimer time in before her Lapidus dulcimer was ready...if she didn't take the Wild Columbine instrument home from Big Sur...or maybe she'd been messing around with a dulcimer before she met Lapidus? Any input welcomed! *************************************************** Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA FAR-West (Folk Alliance Region - West) tinkersown@ca.rr.com www.far-west.org ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1195 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------