From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1192 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, August 24 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1192 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni on Transgender Folk [Victor Johnson ] Re: Joni on Transgender Folk [Lori Renee Fye ] Joni on Transgender Folk [Rick Hobbs-Seeley ] Re: Joni on Transgender Folk [Anita G ] Re: New Library item: Wake up, Canada: It's okay to fail [Rick Hobbs-See] Mary's Joke NJC [kbhla@fastmail.fm] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 08:15:33 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Joni on Transgender Folk With all due respect, I completely disagree. There was nothing hurtful said in any of those posts, nothing demeaning said towards transgender people, period. It's called parody which involves having a sense of humor. If you didn't find it funny that's perfectly okay but I think it's sad that an attempt at poking fun into something that is very much in the public eye (and therefore completely fair game for parody) has to be misconstrued into something hateful. I have transgendered friends as well but that's not really the issue. The point it is, if you're looking for "hate" there was none, end of story. You're directing your anger to the wrong place. Victor On Saturday, August 24, 2013, Lori Renee Fye wrote: > You're right, Rick. Thanks for an excellent post. > > I initially found the Chelsea Morning/Chelsea Manning title comparison > funny, but then it made me uncomfortable. I am an ally of transgendered > people, have several transgendered people for friends, and it really wasn't > okay. > > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 03:04:26 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Joni on Transgender Folk You're right, Rick. Thanks for an excellent post. I initially found the Chelsea Morning/Chelsea Manning title comparison funny, but then it made me uncomfortable. I am an ally of transgendered people, have several transgendered people for friends, and it really wasn't okay. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 01:50:03 -0700 From: Rick Hobbs-Seeley Subject: Joni on Transgender Folk I'm really glad the hurtful posts about a man who has chosen to live his life in another gender have ended. What a man rightfully or wrongfully does in the course of living his life has no connection to the person he or she feels to be inside. I hope each and everyone who posted what they thought was an amusing post about the declaration of a transgendered individual to be worthy of comparison to a Joni Mitchell song or lyric realize that's nconsistent with our community. I confidently doubt JM would support your comment. Please, please be more sensitive to the plight of transgendered youth. We may have similarly situated kids on this list and I worry that well intentioned, yet insensitive comments or jokes may have a negative effect on their desires to move forward. With sad regrets, Coyote Rick Sent from my iPhone On Aug 23, 2013, at 4:09 PM, TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com wrote: Title: Wake up, Canada: It's okay to fail Publication: The Globe and Mail Date: 2013.8.15 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2675 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:14:26 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Joni on Transgender Folk As someone who added to the parody, I would like to apologise if I offended or upset anyone transgendered. This would never be my intention. The lines I added to the song that followed on from Paz's were kicking at the Feds, who he described as 'turds'. I am sorry if this wasn't clear, Anita ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 01:39:51 -0700 From: Rick Hobbs-Seeley Subject: Re: New Library item: Wake up, Canada: It's okay to fail I'm really glad the hurtful posts about a man who has chosen to live his life in another gender have ended. What a man rightfully or wrongfully does in the course of living his life has no connection to the person he or she feels to be inside. I hope each and everyone who posted what they thought was an amusing post about the declaration of a transgendered individual to be worthy of comparison to a Joni Mitchell song or lyric take note. I doubt she would support your comment. Please, please be more sensitive to the plight of transgendered youth. We may have similarly situated kids on this list and I worry that well intentioned, yet insensitive comments or jokes may have a negative effect on their desires to move forward. With sad regrets, Coyote Rick Sent from my iPhone On Aug 23, 2013, at 4:09 PM, TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com wrote: Title: Wake up, Canada: It's okay to fail Publication: The Globe and Mail Date: 2013.8.15 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2675 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 11:46:22 -0700 From: kbhla@fastmail.fm Subject: Mary's Joke NJC No worries, Mary! I had a chuckle from Bob's post about that passionate love letter long ago. It happens. I once did the opposite - sending a late night email to a group of attorneys I was working with titled "NJC" ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1192 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------