From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1151 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, August 2 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1151 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Saskatoon kerfuffle [Betsy Blue ] Re: Joni musings [Catherine McKay ] Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1002--like, groovy [BarbaRent7@aol.com] =?UTF-8?Q?New_Library_item:_Joni_Mitchell_says_Saskatoon_?= =?UTF-8?Q?doesn=E2=80=99t_=E2=80=98get=E2=80=99_it_=E2=80=93_and_i?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_looks_like_she=E2=80=99s_right?= [] Brooms & New Library item: Joni Mitchell Video [est86mlm@ameritech.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 17:46:13 -0700 From: Betsy Blue Subject: Saskatoon kerfuffle Thanks to all who have written eloquently on this topic. I just wanted to add that I understand the comment about Saskatoon being like the deep south in that the nonwhite population is large enough to be unavoidable and a threat to the whites. (The irony is obvious.) In other areas, people may not consider themselves racist because they have had fewer opportunities to realize their own discriminatory behavior or the benefits they have as members of a privileged class. I'm sure Joni is at least partially right about attitudes not changing quickly enough. In Cherokee Louise she says the runaway "can't even come to our house" as if she had expected better of her parents. Maybe they were the very kind of "progressive" people who weren't outwardly racist and associated with First Nations people. But they were still part of the establishment that felt it had higher moral character, when they were really just given better opportunities. Speculation. Well, who's to know? Betsy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:20:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni musings I contradict myself all the time. Or maybe I don't. ;-) But Joni does seem to make these statements that are completely out of context for everyone but her. I suppose a good interviewer could ask her to clarify what she means, but good luck with that. In the various pre-Luminato interviews, she went off on that "honour dying with WWII" thing that just doesn't make a lot of sense to me in the context of honouring someone by doing a tribute concert. I think there's a bit of a difference between "honour" as in, "do the right thing" and "honour" as in "build a statue or do a tribute show." Later, she apologized for that and still later, was the Saskatoon statement where she was right back with the "honour is dead" thing. I'm not sure at this point if her trying to clarify what she meant would help or just make things worse. But just thinking about the fact that only one of the articles I read about the Saskatoon Incident (there may be more that I missed) mentioned that she wanted to build some kind of museum dedicated to First Nations people (somewhere, but I'm not sure whether that was Saskatoon or elsewhere) means that someone missed the mark somewhere. Her going off on tangents or starting a conversation in what appears to be the middle of something and assuming that people know what came before might be part of the problem. Don't know if that made sense or not. This communication thing can be so tricky! - ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anita > To: Catherine McKay > Cc: Mary Morris ; JONIMITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 12:15:47 PM > Subject: Re: Joni musings > > On 27 Jul 2013, at 18:17, Catherine McKay > "As far as people not understanding her, I don't see how anyone could > be expected to read between the lines and understand the points she was trying > to make" > > Cat, don't you think most of us hope that folk will 'get' what > we're saying without explanation? I know I do. What seems totally sensible > in my world view I realise is insanity to others - particularly personal > politics. I often think that my posts to JMDL are clearly outlining my ideas, > but then I realise they're not.(though sometimes I do) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:58:20 -0400 (EDT) From: BarbaRent7@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1002--like, groovy To Jim, I hear you about that. About 8 years ago I was disappointed when newscasters on my LA station mispronounced words, such as Terre Haute, IN they called "Terra How-tay?" and 'facade' became 'fa-kade' and Westminster Abbey became a mini mall outlet as they referred to it as 'West Minister Alley'. If the new generation doesn't get training in our History and tested on basic penmanship or what we learned then I guess the generation following them will never learn how to write by themselves (there's texting with auto-spelling) so when the Chinese or Arab nations take us over that p.c. generation will gleefully let them come on over and take over the gov't as long as they can replace the batteries to their little devices. I hope I'm just dead by then but whom do I leave my 2,000 record albums to? All of my beloved Joni records! I let a neighbor replay one of my '80s punk records playing which I regret since she thought the needle went to the end like a CD and so made that record skip ever since as she dropped the needle! I miss the Pepsi Generation days...the 1960s were the Golden Age in arts and music, I think. Gonna get lost now in the 1930s on TCM, that other golden era. Peace, Babs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 11:53:47 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?New_Library_item:_Joni_Mitchell_says_Saskatoon_?= =?UTF-8?Q?doesn=E2=80=99t_=E2=80=98get=E2=80=99_it_=E2=80=93_and_i?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_looks_like_she=E2=80=99s_right?= Title: Joni Mitchell says Saskatoon doesnbt bgetb it b and it looks like shebs right Publication: Metro Saskatoon Date: 2013.7.28 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2666 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 23:03:46 -0500 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Brooms & New Library item: Joni Mitchell Video Stop! Stop! Anita, I'm too tired to laugh this hard. I'm going to blame you if I fall of my chair laughing and hurt my back again. Laura From: Anita G Subject: Re: New Library item: Joni Mitchell Video "In the video, Mitchell dances around the kitchen sometimes with a favorite kitten, other times strumming a broom as if it were a guitar." Prior to flying off on it to her home in Saskatoon...... (Heh-heh) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1151 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------