From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1120 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, August 1 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1120 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni musings [Clint Norwood ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 07:50:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Clint Norwood Subject: Re: Joni musings I do try very hard not to misunderstand other people's points and really try to understand the force that my own subjectivity has in my understanding. When I hear Joni say that "Honour" died in WWII I understand COMPLETELY what she is trying to say even though she is speaking out of anger. I'm glad Joni doesn't have a PA or a PR person. That is exactly what she is talking about. No one can be frank anymore. Everyone has to have a pre-written speech to deliver lest they say something untoward. It is not worth listening to what any politician or public figure has to say these days because none of it is from the heart. When she speaks of honour what I think she is saying is that it is hard to find many people that will do something right just for it's own sake. So many people have the philosophy that they will withstand some or a lot of dishonour (insert for example your local ambulance chasing attorney here) in order to get paid. Its all about getting paid these days. Our culture doesn't remind us much that we will die one day and people will be judged on how honourable they were not how much money they made or how big their house was. That is honour and though it is a bit subjective to mark a date (WWII) when it died she is right in saying that it isn't a strong suit of our mindless consumer culture. ________________________________ From: Anita To: Catherine McKay Cc: Mary Morris ; JONIMITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 11:15 AM Subject: Re: Joni musings On 27 Jul 2013, at 18:17, Catherine McKay "As far as people not understanding her, I don't see how anyone could be expected to read between the lines and understand the points she was trying to make" Cat, don't you think most of us hope that folk will 'get' what we're saying without explanation? I know I do. What seems totally sensible in my world view I realise is insanity to others - particularly personal politics. I often think that my posts to JMDL are clearly outlining my ideas, but then I realise they're not.(though sometimes I do) I think you're right about Joni probably needing a PA - because being in the public eye is so full of bits being taken out of context, misrepresented etc. Yet I'm quite glad she calls things as she sees them. You see, even here in this email my own position shifts and I experience my contradictions! Oh how hard it must be to know people expect you to get your words right, to not be contradictory and to convey the meaning you intend all the time. Especially as you get older, words are harder to locate and things seem less and less certain. Mind you, Joni seems to be very certain.....see more contradictions again, Anita ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1120 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------