From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1117 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, August 1 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1117 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni musings [Clint Norwood ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 07:22:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Clint Norwood Subject: Re: Joni musings It kinds of makes me wonder several things to myself when I read things like this. I always had a romantic view of Canada mostly because of the way you guys have had health care for so long and bands like Rush (lyrics!! if you don't like the music) came from there. Lately though when I see these boards (racist issues) and I see the large amount of poisoning of both the environment and our collective subconscious by corporations/power structure it makes me stop and think more realistically. I have a few ideas about why large groups of Native and African Americans are struggling in OUR kind of society and why so many white people are on meds to deal with depression in such a supposedly "Great" society. 1. Humans weren't meant to constantly think of themselves as "marketable" widgets in order to support themselves and their families. 2. African and Native Americans en mass cannot enjoy the fruits of this kind of culture as easily as whites so they see are even more depressed. 3. Corporations always poison the environment more readily in minority areas. 4. People at the top LOVE racism (corporations own all the mass media constantly blowing up stories about it) because it keeps those of us at the bottom fighting amongst ourselves and unable to mobilize. Call me a hippie ;) - -Clint ________________________________ From: Catherine McKay To: Anita Cc: JONIMITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 5:34 PM Subject: Re: Joni musings I'm not sure if the notion of people not knowing how to honour was strictly aimed at Canadians, but it could easily be. I also didn't realize that Joni was so involved in First Nations issues. I knew that she has been in the past and, if she still is, I'm happy to hear that. Goodness knows, despite there being more press in recent years about native peoples' issues, there is still not enough attention paid to them. It would be nice if Joni would speak out on their behalf but, better still, it would be great to see her teaming up with someone like Buffy Sainte-Marie. I just finished reading a biography about Buffy called "It's my way" - a great read. Buffy is an activist for native rights and she puts her money where her mouth is. She started an educational project years ago called Cradleboard that provides multimedia teaching resources about native life (http://www.cradleboard.org) as well as singing about native rights and human rights generally. I read those articles about the nutritional experiments. Some people believe it wasn't like that but, having read about the experiments on black men in Tuskegee from the 30s to, believe it or not, the 70s, and having read the book "The immortal life of Henrietta Lacks," and knowing (thanks to Joni) about the Magdelene Laundries, I can absolutely believe that this was done. It seems that experimenting on or taking advantage of poor and disadvantaged people without their knowledge or permission, supposedly in the name of some higher authority - science or religion, was commonplace not so long ago. For all we know, some of it may still be going on. Joni says: Uranium money Is booming in the old home town now It's putting up sleek concrete Tearing the old landmarks down now Paving over brave little parks Ripping off Indian land again How long how long Short sighted business men In "No, no, Kegagesh,"(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7EYXnLLWZ8) Buffy says: These old men they make their dirty deals. Go in the back room and see what they can steal. Talk about your beautiful and spacious skies. It's about uranium; it's about the water rights. - ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anita > To: Catherine McKay > Cc: JONIMITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 1:53:39 PM > Subject: Re: Joni musings > > Cath, I did wonder if Joni's references to the notion of honour have been > influenced by her association with First People. Wab Kinew, Director of > Indigenous Inclusion, the University of Winnipeg - (quoted in the Huffington > Post just this July 25th )contained this, which is about nutritional > experiments First People were subjected to. > > 'Yet I know the hurt from these recent revelations is not limited to the > Indigenous community. I know many Canadians from other walks of life who have > been upset by the news and and are contemplating what it says about this > country's history. For me, the more important question is "what will > our > response say about what Canada is today?"Some friends and I have put out a > call to Canadians to shed some of this negativity by uniting across cultural > and religious lines. We are calling our gatherings (to be held today at noon) > "Honour The Apology," in reference to Prime Minister Harper's 2008 > apology to > Residential School survivors. The idea is that we can each honour the apology > on an individual level by commemorating or praying for the survivors.' > > I wondered if Joni's friends have been talking recently and feel that this > Apology has not been properly honoured in Canada. Maybe it's in her mind > that > Canadians don't know how to honour as a result. > That's my musing! > Anita ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1117 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------