From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1094 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, July 29 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1094 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni musings [Anita ] Re: Headphones, njc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Headphones & Joni Mitchell singing in my ear [est86mlm@ameritech.net] Re: Joni musings [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Headphones, njc [Anita ] =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IE5ldyBMaWJyYXJ5IGl0ZW06IEpvbmkgTWl0Y2hlbGwgc2F5c w==?= =?UTF-8?B?IFNhc2thdG9vbiBkb2VzbuKAmXQg4oCYZ2V04oCZIGl0IOKAkyBhbmQgaXQ= ?= =?UTF-8?B?IGxvb2tzIGxpa2Ugc2hl4oCZcyByaWdodA==?= [] RE: New Library item: THE GIRLS—LETTING GO ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: Joni musings [Anita ] Re: Joni musings [Shari Eaton ] Graham Nash Autobiography [Steve Dulson ] Re: Joni musings [Anita G ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 17:15:47 +0100 From: Anita Subject: Re: Joni musings On 27 Jul 2013, at 18:17, Catherine McKay "As far as people not understanding her, I don't see how anyone could be expected to read between the lines and understand the points she was trying to make" Cat, don't you think most of us hope that folk will 'get' what we're saying without explanation? I know I do. What seems totally sensible in my world view I realise is insanity to others - particularly personal politics. I often think that my posts to JMDL are clearly outlining my ideas, but then I realise they're not.(though sometimes I do) I think you're right about Joni probably needing a PA - because being in the public eye is so full of bits being taken out of context, misrepresented etc. Yet I'm quite glad she calls things as she sees them. You see, even here in this email my own position shifts and I experience my contradictions! Oh how hard it must be to know people expect you to get your words right, to not be contradictory and to convey the meaning you intend all the time. Especially as you get older, words are harder to locate and things seem less and less certain. Mind you, Joni seems to be very certain.....see more contradictions again, Anita ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 08:54:29 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Headphones, njc Back in the 70s, affordable headphones were so bad that studying lyrics was a guessing game. > I don't agree with that. I used a pair of Koss headphones that enabled me to hear words more clearly as well as hearing the vocalists inhale, the guitarist's finger moving along the fretboard and such. Not to mention all the psychedelics of sounds moving from one channel to the other and feeling like the musicians were worming through your brain to get to the other side of your head. I had to use headphones when I was living with my parents or when I had roommates who might not want to hear what I was playing or were studying. I don't use headphones any more. I'm sure there have been advances in headphones and what you can get today are improved but that doesn't necessarily translate into saying that headphones in the 70's were bad. I do use earbuds when I run and sometimes when I do yardwork. I agree with you on the "keep falling out" problem - Bose makes a nice set with excellent sound that are shaped like the inner ear so they lock in pretty good. I highly recommend them. 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(You should know JM.com has EVERYTHING you need!) http://jonimitchell.com/library/cr_misc.cfm?id=399 http://oldnews.aadl.org/files/aa_sun_19741025_p004-001.jpg Laura :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:38:35 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni musings read that Joni was making half-a-million a year from her publishing company, and that was in 1969.> And fast forward to 2013, and WE have to pick up the tab for her official website? Not that she asked for it mind you, but still...don't seem right. Throw us a bone Joan! Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Anita On 29 Jul 2013, at 14:14, Dave Blackburn wrote: I have two pairs of SR80i, one pair of SR125 and a pair of iGrados for iPod. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 14:15:48 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IE5ldyBMaWJyYXJ5IGl0ZW06IEpvbmkgTWl0Y2hlbGwgc2F5c w==?= =?UTF-8?B?IFNhc2thdG9vbiBkb2VzbuKAmXQg4oCYZ2V04oCZIGl0IOKAkyBhbmQgaXQ= ?= =?UTF-8?B?IGxvb2tzIGxpa2Ugc2hl4oCZcyByaWdodA==?= Now there you go. That's more like it. From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com To: joni@smoe.org Date: 07/29/2013 02:01 PM Subject: New Library item: Joni Mitchell says Saskatoon doesnbt bgetb it b and it looks like shebs right Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org Title: Joni Mitchell says Saskatoon doesnbt bgetb it b and it looks like shebs right Publication: Metro Saskatoon Date: 2013.7.28 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2666 - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:38:42 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: New Library item: THE GIRLS—LETTING GO Interesting article. This piqued my wealth researcher interest: "Joni doesn't have to rush for the dollar. She recently turned down $1,250,000 for her one-writer publishing company because, she says, if she had sold it she would have felt as if she had been writing for money. There's some consolation, however, in the fact that she still makes $500,000 a year." $500,000 a year in today's terms is $5,140,000. Not bad for a 25-year-old! [http://www.measuringworth.com/uscompare/relativevalue.php] Susan Tierney McNamara email:B sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:48 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: New Library item: THE GIRLS—LETTING GO Title: THE GIRLS—LETTING GO Publication: Newsweek Date: 1969.7.14 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2664 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 09:53:27 -0400 (EDT) From: BarbaRent7@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1093---listening preference To Lori, I just put the record on my stereo (my new one) and listen with my ears. No earbuds, iphones or earpieces for me, just those floppy things attached to my pointed head. I missed buying the Walkman and its cassette holder since I lived in Chicago then and wanted to hear what was going on around me, ya know? Peace, Calamity Babs of the SoCal desert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 09:24:54 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Headphones, njc Speaking of ear buds and falling out, I recently ran across the ear buds that came with my first mp3 player, which is a Rio Sport. The ear buds have extra pieces that wrap around the outside of the ear, which keep the buds from falling out. Kind of a nice feature, and the buds don't have to be shoved as far into the ear itself. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 18:53:39 +0100 From: Anita Subject: Re: Joni musings Cath, I did wonder if Joni's references to the notion of honour have been influenced by her association with First People. Wab Kinew, Director of Indigenous Inclusion, the University of Winnipeg - (quoted in the Huffington Post just this July 25th )contained this, which is about nutritional experiments First People were subjected to. 'Yet I know the hurt from these recent revelations is not limited to the Indigenous community. I know many Canadians from other walks of life who have been upset by the news and and are contemplating what it says about this country's history. For me, the more important question is "what will our response say about what Canada is today?"Some friends and I have put out a call to Canadians to shed some of this negativity by uniting across cultural and religious lines. We are calling our gatherings (to be held today at noon) "Honour The Apology," in reference to Prime Minister Harper's 2008 apology to Residential School survivors. The idea is that we can each honour the apology on an individual level by commemorating or praying for the survivors.' I wondered if Joni's friends have been talking recently and feel that this Apology has not been properly honoured in Canada. Maybe it's in her mind that Canadians don't know how to honour as a result. That's my musing! Anita On 29 Jul 2013, at 18:20, Catherine McKay wrote: > I contradict myself all the time. Or maybe I don't. ;-) > > But Joni does seem to make these statements that are completely out of context for everyone but her. I suppose a good interviewer could ask her to clarify what she means, but good luck with that. In the various pre-Luminato interviews, she went off on that "honour dying with WWII" thing that just doesn't make a lot of sense to me in the context of honouring someone by doing a tribute concert. I think there's a bit of a difference between "honour" as in, "do the right thing" and "honour" as in "build a statue or do a tribute show." Later, she apologized for that and still later, was the Saskatoon statement where she was right back with the "honour is dead" thing. I'm not sure at this point if her trying to clarify what she meant would help or just make things worse. But just thinking about the fact that only one of the articles I read about the Saskatoon Incident (there may be more that I missed) mentioned that she wanted to build some kind of museum > dedicated to First Nations people (somewhere, but I'm not sure whether that was Saskatoon or elsewhere) means that someone missed the mark somewhere. > > Her going off on tangents or starting a conversation in what appears to be the middle of something and assuming that people know what came before might be part of the problem. Don't know if that made sense or not. This communication thing can be so tricky! > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Anita >> To: Catherine McKay >> Cc: Mary Morris ; JONIMITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST >> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 12:15:47 PM >> Subject: Re: Joni musings >> >> On 27 Jul 2013, at 18:17, Catherine McKay >> "As far as people not understanding her, I don't see how anyone could >> be expected to read between the lines and understand the points she was trying >> to make" >> >> Cat, don't you think most of us hope that folk will 'get' what >> we're saying without explanation? I know I do. What seems totally sensible >> in my world view I realise is insanity to others - particularly personal >> politics. I often think that my posts to JMDL are clearly outlining my ideas, >> but then I realise they're not.(though sometimes I do) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 11:01:36 -0700 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: Joni musings Language is the liquid that we're all dissolved in. Great for solving problems after it creates a problem. (Modest Mouse lyric // Blame it on the Tetons) When I met Joni and accidentally ran to her with questions about Little Green her eyes and nostrils flared. She cut me back so deeply with just facial expressions and body gestures alone I actually also called her Joni Bitchell for about ten years. I didn't know about her daughter. I was just an ignorant fan wanting more of her music. But when she said in an interview that if you approach the fearful side of her you will see an anger that will scare you, I realized I was privy to the one of the deepest emotional sides of her possible. I guess I felt a little unique in my encounter. It means something to me that she likely thought about our interaction for a few days. Not that I'd wish any kind of disturbing feelings on anyone but it's Joni (!!) and my ego is proud that I made an impression, made her think. Heck it could've spurred her to start her search for Kilauren. Okay I'm getting ahead of myself. You all speak of her wonderful ways while I'd shake in my boots at the idea of speaking to her again. Saskatoon represents this damning event in her life. Now that her parents aren't around to protect she can cut back as hard as she bled (her whole adulthood spent bleeding for this lost child and harboring the birth of shame). Now when someone does something to me that stings slightly or truly hurts I think about their position in life and give myself some time to forgive them. Lots of Joni, Shari On Jul 29, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > I contradict myself all the time. Or maybe I don't. ;-) > > But Joni does seem to make these statements that are completely out of context for everyone but her. I suppose a good interviewer could ask her to clarify what she means, but good luck with that. In the various pre-Luminato interviews, she went off on that "honour dying with WWII" thing that just doesn't make a lot of sense to me in the context of honouring someone by doing a tribute concert. I think there's a bit of a difference between "honour" as in, "do the right thing" and "honour" as in "build a statue or do a tribute show." Later, she apologized for that and still later, was the Saskatoon statement where she was right back with the "honour is dead" thing. I'm not sure at this point if her trying to clarify what she meant would help or just make things worse. But just thinking about the fact that only one of the articles I read about the Saskatoon Incident (there may be more that I missed) mentioned that she wanted to build some kind of museum > dedicated to First Nations people (somewhere, but I'm not sure whether that was Saskatoon or elsewhere) means that someone missed the mark somewhere. > > Her going off on tangents or starting a conversation in what appears to be the middle of something and assuming that people know what came before might be part of the problem. Don't know if that made sense or not. This communication thing can be so tricky! > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Anita >> To: Catherine McKay >> Cc: Mary Morris ; JONIMITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST >> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 12:15:47 PM >> Subject: Re: Joni musings >> >> On 27 Jul 2013, at 18:17, Catherine McKay >> "As far as people not understanding her, I don't see how anyone could >> be expected to read between the lines and understand the points she was trying >> to make" >> >> Cat, don't you think most of us hope that folk will 'get' what >> we're saying without explanation? I know I do. What seems totally sensible >> in my world view I realise is insanity to others - particularly personal >> politics. I often think that my posts to JMDL are clearly outlining my ideas, >> but then I realise they're not.(though sometimes I do) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:56:45 -0400 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Graham Nash Autobiography Sharon wrote: >Graham Nash's autobiography, Wild Tales, is available for pre-order at >grahamnash.com. Probably will have Joni content. General release of the book is >scheduled for Fall 2013. Graham will be the keynote speaker at next February's Folk Alliance conference in Kansas City. *************************************************** Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA FAR-West (Folk Alliance Region - West) tinkersown@ca.rr.com www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 20:01:09 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Joni musings Love that quote, Shari. I will write that one down. Sad to hear you quake in your boots at the idea of speaking to Joni again. I don't doubt she can take care of herself if she feels she needs to. I guess a total stranger (well that's what I assume?) asking questions about something so deeply personal about her life really got to her. Not very surprising to me that you got the response that you did. It seems like you've turned that difficult experience into a positive one by being more empathic with the position of others when they hurt or sting you. That sounds good, but there's also a time and place to firmly keep others by setting a firm boundary, in my view. With Love Anita On 29/07/2013, Shari Eaton wrote: > Language is the liquid that we're all dissolved in. Great for solving > problems after it creates a problem. > > (Modest Mouse lyric // Blame it on the Tetons) > > When I met Joni and accidentally ran to her with questions about Little > Green her eyes and nostrils flared. She cut me back so deeply with just > facial expressions and body gestures alone I actually also called her Joni > Bitchell for about ten years. I didn't know about her daughter. I was just > an ignorant fan wanting more of her music. But when she said in an interview > that if you approach the fearful side of her you will see an anger that will > scare you, I realized I was privy to the one of the deepest emotional sides > of her possible. I guess I felt a little unique in my encounter. It means > something to me that she likely thought about our interaction for a few > days. Not that I'd wish any kind of disturbing feelings on anyone but it's > Joni (!!) and my ego is proud that I made an impression, made her think. > Heck it could've spurred her to start her search for Kilauren. Okay I'm > getting ahead of myself. You all speak of her wonderful ways while I'd shake > in my boots at the idea of speaking to her again. Saskatoon represents this > damning event in her life. Now that her parents aren't around to protect she > can cut back as hard as she bled (her whole adulthood spent bleeding for > this lost child and harboring the birth of shame). > > Now when someone does something to me that stings slightly or truly hurts I > think about their position in life and give myself some time to forgive > them. > > Lots of Joni, > Shari > > > On Jul 29, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Catherine McKay > wrote: > >> I contradict myself all the time. Or maybe I don't. ;-) >> >> But Joni does seem to make these statements that are completely out of >> context for everyone but her. I suppose a good interviewer could ask her >> to clarify what she means, but good luck with that. In the various >> pre-Luminato interviews, she went off on that "honour dying with WWII" >> thing that just doesn't make a lot of sense to me in the context of >> honouring someone by doing a tribute concert. I think there's a bit of a >> difference between "honour" as in, "do the right thing" and "honour" as in >> "build a statue or do a tribute show." Later, she apologized for that and >> still later, was the Saskatoon statement where she was right back with the >> "honour is dead" thing. I'm not sure at this point if her trying to >> clarify what she meant would help or just make things worse. But just >> thinking about the fact that only one of the articles I read about the >> Saskatoon Incident (there may be more that I missed) mentioned that she >> wanted to build some kind of museum >> dedicated to First Nations people (somewhere, but I'm not sure whether >> that was Saskatoon or elsewhere) means that someone missed the mark >> somewhere. >> >> Her going off on tangents or starting a conversation in what appears to be >> the middle of something and assuming that people know what came before >> might be part of the problem. Don't know if that made sense or not. This >> communication thing can be so tricky! >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Anita >>> To: Catherine McKay >>> Cc: Mary Morris ; JONIMITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST >>> >>> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 12:15:47 PM >>> Subject: Re: Joni musings >>> >>> On 27 Jul 2013, at 18:17, Catherine McKay >>> "As far as people not understanding her, I don't see how anyone could >>> be expected to read between the lines and understand the points she was >>> trying >>> to make" >>> >>> Cat, don't you think most of us hope that folk will 'get' what >>> we're saying without explanation? I know I do. What seems totally >>> sensible >>> in my world view I realise is insanity to others - particularly personal >>> >>> politics. I often think that my posts to JMDL are clearly outlining my >>> ideas, >>> but then I realise they're not.(though sometimes I do) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1094 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------