From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1091 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, July 28 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1091 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- New Library item: Premiers, mayor weigh in on Joni Mitchell controversy [] Re: Joni Covers, Retro Volume 90 - Deep Covers from the Deep South [Cathe] Re: Joni musings [Catherine McKay ] Alberta Ballet [kenevans kenevans ] RE: Joni musings [Mary Morris ] New Library item: MacPherson: We've seen Joni Mitchell from both sides now [TheStaff@JoniMitchell] Joni does Marvin... and I LOVE it! ["Pat Boland" ] Re: Joni musings [Catherine McKay ] New Library item: Joni Mitchell and Buddhism [TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com] Myrtle, njc [jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 12:37:38 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: Premiers, mayor weigh in on Joni Mitchell controversy Title: Premiers, mayor weigh in on Joni Mitchell controversy Publication: Global News Date: 2013.7.27 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2657 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 10:28:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni Covers, Retro Volume 90 - Deep Covers from the Deep South You sure we're not in Saskatoon, y'all? >________________________________ > From: Bob Muller >To: JMDL >Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 1:03:17 PM >Subject: Joni Covers, Retro Volume 90 - Deep Covers from the Deep South > > >Y'all ain't from 'round these parts now, is ya? Wellsir, I reckon I'll letcha >pour yessef some sweet tea, pull up a rocker and give a listen to these ol' >Joni covers. Yessir, y'all in the deep south now, where the bigots and the >Joni covers are everywhere. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 16:36:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni musings Yeah, I keep telling myself I *won't* read those things but it's kind of like passing a wreck on the highway: I just have to look. It scares the crap out of me sometimes though realizing how angry and judgmental people can be. But, like you, I still love Joni, even when she behaves badly. >________________________________ > From: Mary Morris >To: Catherine McKay ; jmdl >Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 5:04:42 PM >Subject: RE: Joni musings > > >Catherine, agree wholeheartedly with your well thought out opinion. I have >to agree that internet commenters are of the lowest variety, though I know it >is true, I am still shocked at the level of vitriol and hatred and wild >tangents any given subject, no matter how innocuous, raise such a tempest >storm in (mostly - imo) right wing nuts who just love to spout off on >anything. The level of hate & conjecture & jumping to opinions knows no >bounds, it seems. Copy that for the Mitchell/Saskatoon kerfuffle. It troubles >me somewhat & concerns me that as brilliant a lyricist as Joni can fall so >flat when given to prose......perhaps she needs the structure of her expansive >melodies & wonderful thoughts to be considered within a rhythmic structure, >less free form than just talking & talking. > >Love her, though, warts & all. > > > GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire >meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 22:01:32 -0400 From: kenevans kenevans Subject: Alberta Ballet I see the premiere is 5/1 in Calgary and 5/9 in Edmonton. I haven't deciphered whether she is making an appearance at either? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 14:04:42 -0700 From: Mary Morris Subject: RE: Joni musings Catherine, agree wholeheartedly with your well thought out opinion. I have to agree that internet commenters are of the lowest variety, though I know it is true, I am still shocked at the level of vitriol and hatred and wild tangents any given subject, no matter how innocuous, raise such a tempest storm in (mostly - imo) right wing nuts who just love to spout off on anything. The level of hate & conjecture & jumping to opinions knows no bounds, it seems. Copy that for the Mitchell/Saskatoon kerfuffle. It troubles me somewhat & concerns me that as brilliant a lyricist as Joni can fall so flat when given to prose......perhaps she needs the structure of her expansive melodies & wonderful thoughts to be considered within a rhythmic structure, less free form than just talking & talking. Love her, though, warts & all. GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 10:17:40 -0700 From: anima_rising@yahoo.ca Subject: Re: Joni musings To: joni2city@hotmail.com; joni@smoe.org Joni probably needs a good PR person to keep her from shooting off at the mouth so often, and about the same old things, although I doubt she'd take anyone's advice anyway. It bothers me that she believes that "no one" understands her. Obviously some people would have to. She does, as someone said earlier, paint with too broad a brush. As far as the disparaging remarks about her, I think that most of the people who post comments on news sites tends to be the more extreme thinkers and reactors with very black-and-white views. I also read quite a few comments from people from Saskatoon who get what she's talking about and aren't hurt by it. Joni may be bitter, but I think a lot of people who comment on news websites must be even more bitter, since they seem to like sniping at everything they read. Likewise, Michael Coren of SunMedia (ptooey!) I hate that kind of hyperbole, whether it's from liberal (favourite word "neo-cons") or conservative (favourite words "libtards") wing-nuts, but I guess stirring up the shite sells papers and keeps viewers and listeners tuned in. I never could understand why people would want to listen to those talk-radio ranters, though. Why is their opinion any better than yours or mine? On the plus side, with the view that "there is no such thing as bad publicity", Coren gave her a whole 12-1/2 minutes. Joni apologized at Luminato for some of her earlier comments (for example. the one where she said that honour died in WWII - whatever she might have meant by that) and said that she seemed to be apologizing a lot lately. She also seemed genuinely pleased and impressed by the performances and by the audience's appreciation of her. And yet, once again, having apologized recently for that remark, she goes off on the "honour" thing again. I really don't see her apologizing for her comments, although it would be nice if she'd explain a bit better, without going off on some other tangent. As far as people not understanding her, I don't see how anyone could be expected to read between the lines and understand the points she was trying to make, even though it seems a few people did. From: Mary Morris To: JONIMITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 12:18:38 PM Subject: Joni musings I have been reading with great interest all the entries & news articles re: La Mitchell last few days & I must say she certainly knows how to kick up a storm. There are many views of hers that just don't sound very reasoned & I have always taken them a grain of salt. Her stunning music & lyrics have always been how I appreciated her. That being said, her old complaint that she is misunderstood in interviews all these years is starting to ring not quite true - - she goes off at the mouth quite a bit & is quotable in & out of context because of it. She's a prickly person at times. Comes off bitter, too. When she sticks to her music, none can compare, however. The Canadian hatred of her & her Saskatoon comments is something I didn't understand. That there are some who jump to disparage her very nastily & boy, do they seem pissed, is a new insight. I don't have any knowledge of Canadian regional feelings, but it is an eye opener, for sure. Just put a nice little plaque at her old childhood home & leave it at that. We have her music. GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 21:10:26 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: MacPherson: We've seen Joni Mitchell from both sides now Title: MacPherson: We've seen Joni Mitchell from both sides now Publication: The StarPhoenix Date: 2013.7.27 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2660 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 07:30:02 +1000 From: "Pat Boland" Subject: Joni does Marvin... and I LOVE it! I truly enjoy Joni singing these Marvin Gaye songs! http://youtu.be/4S8SgNy11eI http://youtu.be/DI8kJXUWDlg] Howzabout you? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 10:17:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni musings Joni probably needs a good PR person to keep her from shooting off at the mouth so often, and about the same old things, although I doubt she'd take anyone's advice anyway. It bothers me that she believes that "no one" understands her. Obviously some people would have to. She does, as someone said earlier, paint with too broad a brush. As far as the disparaging remarks about her, I think that most of the people who post comments on news sites tends to be the more extreme thinkers and reactors with very black-and-white views. I also read quite a few comments from people from Saskatoon who get what she's talking about and aren't hurt by it. Joni may be bitter, but I think a lot of people who comment on news websites must be even more bitter, since they seem to like sniping at everything they read. Likewise, Michael Coren of SunMedia (ptooey!) I hate that kind of hyperbole, whether it's from liberal (favourite word "neo-cons") or conservative (favourite words "libtards") wing-nuts, but I guess stirring up the shite sells papers and keeps viewers and listeners tuned in. I never could understand why people would want to listen to those talk-radio ranters, though. Why is their opinion any better than yours or mine? On the plus side, with the view that "there is no such thing as bad publicity", Coren gave her a whole 12-1/2 minutes. Joni apologized at Luminato for some of her earlier comments (for example. the one where she said that honour died in WWII - whatever she might have meant by that) and said that she seemed to be apologizing a lot lately. She also seemed genuinely pleased and impressed by the performances and by the audience's appreciation of her. And yet, once again, having apologized recently for that remark, she goes off on the "honour" thing again. I really don't see her apologizing for her comments, although it would be nice if she'd explain a bit better, without going off on some other tangent. As far as people not understanding her, I don't see how anyone could be expected to read between the lines and understand the points she was trying to make, even though it seems a few people did. >________________________________ > From: Mary Morris >To: JONIMITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST >Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 12:18:38 PM >Subject: Joni musings > > >I have been reading with great interest all the entries & news articles re: La >Mitchell last few days & I must say she certainly knows how to kick up a >storm. > >There are many views of hers that just don't sound very reasoned & I have >always taken them a grain of salt. Her stunning music & lyrics have always >been how I appreciated her. That being said, her old complaint that she is >misunderstood in interviews all these years is starting to ring not quite true >- she goes off at the mouth quite a bit & is quotable in & out of context >because of it. She's a prickly person at times. Comes off bitter, too. When >she sticks to her music, none can compare, however. > >The Canadian hatred of her & her Saskatoon comments is something I didn't >understand. That there are some who jump to disparage her very nastily & boy, >do they seem pissed, is a new insight. I don't have any knowledge of Canadian >regional feelings, but it is an eye opener, for sure. Just put a nice little >plaque at her old childhood home & leave it at that. We have her music. > > > > > GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire >meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 13:16:27 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: Joni Mitchell and Buddhism Title: Joni Mitchell and Buddhism Publication: Blog Zen Mirror Date: 2013.7.4 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2658 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 01:26:44 -0400 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: Myrtle, njc After all of the over-controlling things I've heard about Mrs. Anderson over these many years, it seems incongruous that she filled dozens of scrapbooks with clippings of Joni's career. All of the stories about her have been from Joni or Joni's boyfriends. We haven't heard from Mrs. Anderson's neighbors or family. In Sheila Weller's book many ex-boyfriends said that Joni has the ability to rewrite her history, tell it to herself a few times, and suddenly she believes it is true. I'm thinking about the way she treated Chuck Mitchell, Don Alias, and Larry Klein. I wonder how many of the horror stories about Mrs. Anderson, uhmm, would not stand up under careful examination. Jim L. Now playing: Bonnie Raitt at the 25th anniversary of the Rock Hall, with CSN on back vocals, on tv, as an old rerun. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1091 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------