From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1090 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, July 27 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1090 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Mike Shipley RIP [Dave Blackburn ] Painting with too broad a brush & Sinead O-Conner/Magdalene [est86mlm@ame] Re: Painting with too broad a brush [Anita ] Joni musings [Mary Morris ] Re: "Joni Mitchell's white liberal self-loathing" [Anita Subject: Mike Shipley RIP I posted this on the Facebook JMDL page, but for those of us who don't use that page, it was announced that recording engineer Mike Shipley passed away yesterday. Mike was groundbreaking in the emerging art of mixing during the 80s. He moved out to LA at the request of Elliott Roberts to work with Joni on Dog Eat Dog, the first of several albums he would record and/or mix for her. It has not yet been announced what the cause of death was. A summary of the projects he was best known for can be read here: http://www.allmusic.com/artist/mike-shipley-mn0000485325/biography Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 10:13:36 -0500 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Painting with too broad a brush & Sinead O-Conner/Magdalene David, Just yesterday, I was looking up some info for The Magdalene Laundries and I ran across that very interesting-read interview you are talking about. So here it is, if anyone wants to read it. The part about Sinead is about mid-way thru the interview http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=673 Laura *************************************************** FREE Nicor Gas Company Customers ENERGY SAVING KIT http://shop.niagaraconservation.com/nicorgas/ *************************************************** From: David Marine Subject: Painting with too broad a brush Hey List, ........................ I remember an interview that Joni did years ago in which she suggested that the kind of in-your-face protest that Sinead O'Conner did when she ripped up a picture of the Pope was perhaps ultimately counterproductive (in retrospect, perhaps it was prescient). I think she offered up "The Magdalene Laundries" as a more diplomatic and ultimately more effective criticism. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 08:29:01 +0100 From: Anita Subject: Re: Painting with too broad a brush Anita David wrote: > > Do you think that Joni has made a conscious decision, both in her lyrics and > in her public statements, to be less nuanced? I know she's always been > outspoken, but her deliver seems to have become more, well... blunt. Is it > perhaps merely the freedom that comes with age? > David, I remember years ago working in a therapy group (I know, so middle class) with a very, very famous therapist, then late 70s, with whom I had worked years before. I was struck by his bluntness and not couching his interventions with any therapy-speak (like 'I wonder if.....'). I asked him about what I saw as a new style and he said that he was conscious of having less time, so felt increasingly obliged not to waste it pussy footing around. He also said that he saw people as grown ups, able to make up their own minds whether or not to accept what he said. You refer to it as the 'freedom' that comes with age. I'm not sure yet if it's freedom or pressure from lack of time. Maybe they are one and the same, Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 09:18:38 -0700 From: Mary Morris Subject: Joni musings I have been reading with great interest all the entries & news articles re: La Mitchell last few days & I must say she certainly knows how to kick up a storm. There are many views of hers that just don't sound very reasoned & I have always taken them a grain of salt. Her stunning music & lyrics have always been how I appreciated her. That being said, her old complaint that she is misunderstood in interviews all these years is starting to ring not quite true - - she goes off at the mouth quite a bit & is quotable in & out of context because of it. She's a prickly person at times. Comes off bitter, too. When she sticks to her music, none can compare, however. The Canadian hatred of her & her Saskatoon comments is something I didn't understand. That there are some who jump to disparage her very nastily & boy, do they seem pissed, is a new insight. I don't have any knowledge of Canadian regional feelings, but it is an eye opener, for sure. Just put a nice little plaque at her old childhood home & leave it at that. We have her music. GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 08:14:21 +0100 From: Anita Subject: Re: "Joni Mitchell's white liberal self-loathing" Goodness, what a personal attack. I suppose that comes when a whole city feels personally attacked. If I were Joni (don't laugh), I'd be inclined to say I was sorry if I had hurt people living in Saskatoon today, but that was my experience of living there at that time. I might even want to say that I am pleased that my comments had cause such passionate defence and examination of Saskatoon. The refection augurs well. I think I'd also want to say that racism and bigotry still exist today and needs tackling wherever and whenever they arise. Now give me my stuff back! Anita On 27 Jul 2013, at 03:16, "Susan E. McNamara" wrote: > This is all so weird to me after coming off of the incredible experience of Luminato. She's got herself a real gloves off wrestling match now. If Ann Coulter gets involved, please warn me before you send the video ... I may get sick to my stomach! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 26, 2013, at 7:56 PM, "Les Irvin" wrote: > >> http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/2566091524001 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 13:51:37 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: This simple line Indeed Dave - and we can go on and on (as we should) listing and discussing THOSE lines: "Now I am surf rising - now parched ribs of sand at his side"...lines that NO ONE ELSE WOULD COME UP WITH. By the same token, I also celebrate the simple phrases that are so honest and pure. Sue mentioned Jericho yesterday, that's a perfect example, and I'll essay on that one tomorrow. Too much work to do at the moment. Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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