From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1089 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, July 27 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1089 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Big Yellow Taxi ! [Catherine McKay ] Re: New Library item: Hostility toward feminism blocks positive change (NJC) [Anita Subject: Re: Big Yellow Taxi ! That's pretty funny. It has occurred to me lately that, around here at least and I'm sure in many other places as well, they're digging up parking lots in order to build very tall condos, which have underground parking. Parking lots apparently don't generate the income they used to, even at the grossly inflated rates they charge now. >________________________________ > From: Joe Jones >To: joni >Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 11:02:04 AM >Subject: Big Yellow Taxi ! > > >Quote by British comedian Alan Partridge. > >*On traffic* > >That was Big Yellow Taxi by Joni Mitchell, a song in which Joni complains >they 'Paved paradise to put up a parking lot', a measure which actually >would have alleviated traffic congestion on the outskirts of paradise, >something which Joni singularly fails to point out, perhaps because it >doesn't quite fit in with her blinkered view of the world. Nevertheless, >nice song. > >-- >-- >Joe Jones >+44 7831 914094 > >np - How The West Was Won - Led Zeppelin. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 20:34:47 +0100 From: Anita Subject: Re: New Library item: Hostility toward feminism blocks positive change (NJC) As a feminist I get very tired of the cliches about being humourless, man hating etc. etc. I love Joni's music and I know she and I would see things very differently about what I see as the achievements of feminist thinking. Anyway, Clint, like you say you're just trying to understand Joni. As for me, I must go and get into my dungarees, put on my Doc Marten's, get along to my consciousness raising group and make sure I don't crack a smile Anita On 24 Jul 2013, at 20:11, Clint Norwood wrote: > I was just trying to understand Joni. And George did the lumping, though I do > agree we err when we take ourselves too seriously in an absurd world. > :) > -Clint > > > > > ________________________________ > From: David J. Phillips > > To: Clint Norwood > Cc: > "TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com" ; "joni@smoe.org" > > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 12:45 PM > Subject: Re: New > Library item: Hostility toward feminism blocks positive change (NJC) > > > No, > it does not take a lot of imagination to piss off a feminist. Just > lump us > all into one group and ridicule us for taking ourselves too > seriously. > > djp > On 24/07/13 13:3156, Clint Norwood wrote: >> I think I understand Joni's > take on feminism. Those of us that really >> want to be individuals don't like > being lumped into a group and >> labeled. >> >> Plus there is George Carlin's > take which, while funny is also pretty >> reasonable.. >> >> >> "Feminists want to > control your language. Feminists want to tell you >> how to talk. And their not > alone. Their not alone. I'm not picking on >> the feminists. They got a lot of > company in this country. There's a >> lot of groups, a lot of institutions in > this country want to control >> your language. Tell you what you can say and > what you can't say. As I >> said, I got nothing against the feminists. In fact, > I happen to agree >> with most of the feminist philosophy I have read. >> >> But, > when it comes to changing the language, I think they make some >> good points, > because we do think in language and so the quality of >> our thoughts and ideas > could only be as good as the quality of our >> language. So maybe some of this > patriarcho shit ought to go away. I >> think mankind ought to be human kind, > but they take it too far, they >> take themselves too seriously, they > exaggerate. They want me to call >> that thing in the street a personhole > cover. I think that's taking it >> a little bit too far. >> >> >> You know what I > mean? So...so I think it's an exaggeration and I like >> to piss off any group > that take's itself a little bit too seriously. >> And it does not take a lot of > imagination to piss off a feminist." >> >> -Clint >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ From: >> > "TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com" To: >> joni@smoe.org > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 8:55 PM Subject: New >> Library item: Hostility > toward feminism blocks positive change >> >> >> Title: Hostility toward feminism > blocks positive change Publication: >> The Manitoban Date: 2013.7.22 >> >> > http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2646 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 07:47:19 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: This simple line Because I am exposed to and listen to so many covers of Joni's songs, I get to where I'm not necessarily locked into Joni's version of the song (particularly with everything pre-Court & Spark that I didn't really hear until mach later). Anyway, I always listen closely to see if a vocalist tweaks a lyric, changes words, genders, etc and such. In doing so, I often hear a lyric that strikes me, even the ones that sing the exact same words as Joni. The past 2-3 weeks the one that keeps going through my head is this one from "All I Want": "I want to be the one that you want to see" Now, I adore a lyric with unique words and images, such as "I crawl like a viper through these suburban streets, make love to these women, languid and bittersweet', and of course Joni has a plethora of them, most of "Furry" and the entire Hejira album in fact, but the brutal and honest simplicity of the above line really pulls me in. Because we've all been in that situation, maybe at a party or some gathering, and there are people there that you want to see, people that you're lukewarm about, and people that you DON'T want to see. I have people in all three categories and have also been in all three I'm sure. Being the person that "you want to see" is a special place to be. Joni captures that feeling perfectly with this line simply by stating the stark blunt truth. I suppose that's the beauty with most of Blue though, isn't it? My 2 cents on a Tuesday morning. Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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