From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1043 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, July 25 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1043 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni Saskatoon debate and Chuck Mitchell [Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni Saskatoon debate and Chuck Mitchell I think Joni may have been a bit sarcastic with the "deeper meaning." She lingers over the eeeeee in deeper, almost like a bit of a sarcastic laugh, as well as a soul-like melissma going on there. What really is the *deeper* meaning? "Mama .... believes in cleaning... She's always cleaning. Mama thinks she spoiled me (rotten). She blames herself." Myrtle, a constant cleaner and coverer-up of things, was likely offended and embarassed by Joni's openness about love and sex and her lovers and her family. In such a situation, a song like "Dancin' clown" would offer some light-hearted relief from that openness (and the deeper meaning.) What is the deeper meaning? I come from a repressed family (I betcha a lot of us did) where people didn't like to talk about feelings or anything that went beyond what they considered the norm. People got married, had kids, stayed within the law, didn't do anything to embarass themselves or the family. We talked as little as necessary about anything deeper or darker or scarier. Those were the days when no one talked about sexual abuse, or sex for that matter, or talked about these things only as little as necessary and then moved on to factual things or foolish things. You were supposed to just do your duty and shut up about it, not complain about your problems or your worries. To do so was a sign of weakness. If your kid did something wrong, it was the parents' fault, even when the kids were well past the time-out go-to-your-room phase. Judging by the comments I see on news websites, it's pretty obvious many people still think that way. So, you skirted around issues by making jokes and laughing at silly things. I think Joni has had difficulty putting all that behind her. Years later, in "Happiness is the best facelift," she says, I shouldn't have come She made me pay For gleaming with Donald down her street She put blame on him And shame on me She made it all seem so tawdry and cheap [...] she introduced us Oh, but she regrets that now Shacked up downtown Making love without a license Same old sacred cow She said, "Did you come home to disgrace us?" After all this time, Myrtle is still apparently concerned that Joni, being with Donald and not married, is going to shame the family. At this point, Joni is in her 50s. >________________________________ > From: Anita >To: Catherine McKay >Cc: "kbhla@fastmail.fm" ; "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 10:12:33 AM >Subject: Re: Joni Saskatoon debate and Chuck Mitchell > > >On the other hand, thinking about how Joni >> spoke of her parents ("Papa brought home the sugar; Mama taught me the deeper >> meaning") > >How can this possibly be so? Don't forget this is the woman who told Joni that she really liked "Dancing Clown"! > >Just thought - maybe that IS the deeper meaning and Hejira is shallow. None of this Why am I here? Or What is it all about? Put on them dancing shoes and boogie while you can and have a laugh. Maybe Mama Myrtle at a point. Maybe that is the deeper meaning :-)) >Anita (leaving JMDL to join 7DDL- 70s Disco Discussion List - to start thread on Freak Out and Chic. Nile Rogers I love you) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1043 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------