From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1029 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, July 24 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1029 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Podcast link [Robert Procyk ] Re: New Library item: Hostility toward feminism blocks positive change (NJC) ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] The Joni/Saskatoon debate continues [Robert Procyk ] Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1027 ["mermaidcafe@rogers.com" Subject: Podcast link Here's the link to the podcast. Haven't listened yet. Warning: John Gormley is the Rush Limbaugh of Saskatoon. http://www.newstalk650.com/ckom-podcasts Rob Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 19:13:22 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: New Library item: Hostility toward feminism blocks positive change (NJC) And of course, feminists have a lot of room to talk, because they never take themselves too seriously. Jim L'Hommedieu djp said, >No, it does not take a lot of imagination to piss off a feminist. Just lump us all into one group and ridicule us for taking ourselves too seriously.> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 18:19:53 -0700 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: The Joni/Saskatoon debate continues Outrageous. Can we put together a petition??!! There must be a way to get her stuff back to her. For instance, this isn't honoring (regarding her with great respect) her so it goes against the nature of the act. On Jul 24, 2013, at 5:39 PM, Robert Procyk wrote: > http://www.panow.com/node/362732 - looks like they are going ahead anyway. > > There's a podcast of the phone-in discussion on newstalk650.com > > > > Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 19:13:28 -0600 From: Robert Procyk Subject: CBC Sask article http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/canada/saskatchewan/story/2013/07/24/saskatoon-mitchell-memorial-130724.html Oooh it's hitting the fan. Will chime in with my Saskatchewan two cents later. Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 18:39:03 -0600 From: Robert Procyk Subject: The Joni/Saskatoon debate continues http://www.panow.com/node/362732 - looks like they are going ahead anyway. There's a podcast of the phone-in discussion on newstalk650.com Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 19:23:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "mermaidcafe@rogers.com" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1027 the line that I've always loved that simply describes a lonely situation is "the bed's too big, the frying pan's too wide".....(my old man)... Pat ________________________________ From: JMDL Digest To: joni-digest@smoe.org Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:00:03 AM Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1027 JMDL Digest Wednesday, July 24 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1027 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: This simple line njc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: This simple line [Dave Blackburn ] Re: This simple line [Anita ] No Regrets, Coyote: A Novel [Betsy Blue ] RE: This simple line [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Luminato summary video, a couple of brief Joni appearances [Catherine McK] Re: This simple line [Dave Blackburn ] Re: This simple line njc [Anita ] RE: This simple line ["Susan E. McNamara" ] New Library item: Hostility toward feminism blocks positive change [TheSt] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 13:31:25 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: This simple line njc Thanks Sweetheart...I guess for me this is a perfect example of Joni writing a personal song with a universal theme. I mean, I've never given a nanosecond of consideration to who JONI is singing to, who she wants to knit a sweater for, etc. But THAT particular line just jumps out as something that I can identify with in my own life. I'd like to think that Joni would crack a smile knowing that. Bob From: Anita To: Joni List Cc: "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" Date: 07/23/2013 12:44 PM Subject: Re: This simple line njc Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org >> My 2 cents on a Tuesday morning. >> Bob It's an awful lot more than 2 cents, Bob, Anita - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 09:47:01 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: This simple line It's one of my favorite Joni topics, Bob. Her way with verbal economy is unequaled: "bourbon laughter" is one of my favorites, capturing a vibrant Southern social scene in bygone era in two words. "She's under cover from the dawn's advance," is another beauty. She is also brilliant at weaving in cultural symbolism - just a touch to suggest a larger truth: "I've got the apple of temptation and a diamond snake around my arm." bring on the discussion Dave On Jul 23, 2013, at 4:47 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > Because I am exposed to and listen to so many covers of Joni's songs, I > get to where I'm not necessarily locked into Joni's version of the song > (particularly with everything pre-Court & Spark that I didn't really hear > until mach later). > > Anyway, I always listen closely to see if a vocalist tweaks a lyric, > changes words, genders, etc and such. In doing so, I often hear a lyric > that strikes me, even the ones that sing the exact same words as Joni. The > past 2-3 weeks the one that keeps going through my head is this one from > "All I Want": > > "I want to be the one that you want to see" > > Now, I adore a lyric with unique words and images, such as "I crawl like a > viper through these suburban streets, make love to these women, languid > and bittersweet', and of course Joni has a plethora of them, most of > "Furry" and the entire Hejira album in fact, but the brutal and honest > simplicity of the above line really pulls me in. Because we've all been in > that situation, maybe at a party or some gathering, and there are people > there that you want to see, people that you're lukewarm about, and people > that you DON'T want to see. I have people in all three categories and have > also been in all three I'm sure. > > Being the person that "you want to see" is a special place to be. Joni > captures that feeling perfectly with this line simply by stating the stark > blunt truth. I suppose that's the beauty with most of Blue though, isn't > it? > > My 2 cents on a Tuesday morning. > > Bob > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > - ------------------------------------------------------------ - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 21:31:15 +0100 From: Anita Subject: Re: This simple line On 23 Jul 2013, at 19:41, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > > I've always loved loved this one - the addition of the word "somewhat" Me too , Bob. It is deeply affecting. Not trying to ask for too much...., and also accepting the reality that, even with the best of intentions, we fail each other. Yet, at the same time, we do great things. I aspire to be somewhat sincere, Anita - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:16:23 -0700 From: Betsy Blue Subject: No Regrets, Coyote: A Novel Cultural reference alert! I haven't heard any mention of our lady, but the book sounds like a fun read. Maybe there's something inside. Betsy - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:41:47 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: This simple line I've always loved loved this one - the addition of the word "somewhat" speaks to the honesty of the request, but this one is also a great example of where her writing skills and vocal skills dovetail into a moment of pure brilliance: "SEND ME SOMEBODY", she sings to the heavens, strong and clear, pauses "Who's strong" - - qualifying her first general request - a bit - with a voice not quite as demonstrative "and somewhat sincere" - compromising and accepting the reality, lyrically and vocally, much like that phrase in "Down To You"..."you settle for less than fascination, a few drinks later you're not so choosy". I suppose there's also a matter of alliteration involved in that line: Send somebody strong somewhat sincere... Brilliance. Sheer brilliance. Bob - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 15:14:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Luminato summary video, a couple of brief Joni appearances A little synopsis video with Luminato Festival Highlights. Joni appears briefly at around 2:20 and again around 2:49. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sFVXsJ7qiI&camefrom=EMCL_109171_6355498 - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 12:11:58 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: This simple line I always found "will you still love me when I call you up when I get back to town?" to be disarming in its simplicity; No artifice, irony, clever wordplay, erudite allusions - just a simple feeling anyone could relate to. She knows how to turn the "art" tap on and off as needed. Night Ride Home has similarities I think: "I love the man beside me, we love the open road." - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 17:40:13 +0100 From: Anita Subject: Re: This simple line njc >> My 2 cents on a Tuesday morning. >> Bob It's an awful lot more than 2 cents, Bob, Anita - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 17:46:08 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: This simple line Here are some that just pop in my head: What do I do here with this hunger? You scathe the wonder world and praise barbarity Sometimes it is spring, sometimes it is not anything Last chance lost in the tyranny of a long goodbye Send me somebody who's strong and somewhat sincere He was wearing his father's tie No one wants to warm themselves, sloughing off a coat ... Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 7:47 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: This simple line Because I am exposed to and listen to so many covers of Joni's songs, I get to where I'm not necessarily locked into Joni's version of the song (particularly with everything pre-Court & Spark that I didn't really hear until mach later). Anyway, I always listen closely to see if a vocalist tweaks a lyric, changes words, genders, etc and such. In doing so, I often hear a lyric that strikes me, even the ones that sing the exact same words as Joni. The past 2-3 weeks the one that keeps going through my head is this one from "All I Want": "I want to be the one that you want to see" Now, I adore a lyric with unique words and images, such as "I crawl like a viper through these suburban streets, make love to these women, languid and bittersweet', and of course Joni has a plethora of them, most of "Furry" and the entire Hejira album in fact, but the brutal and honest simplicity of the above line really pulls me in. Because we've all been in that situation, maybe at a party or some gathering, and there are people there that you want to see, people that you're lukewarm about, and people that you DON'T want to see. I have people in all three categories and have also been in all three I'm sure. Being the person that "you want to see" is a special place to be. Joni captures that feeling perfectly with this line simply by stating the stark blunt truth. I suppose that's the beauty with most of Blue though, isn't it? My 2 cents on a Tuesday morning. Bob - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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