From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1028 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, July 24 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1028 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: New Library item: 'I don't want to be honoured' [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Big Yellow Taxi ! [Joe Jones ] Re: New Library item: Hostility toward feminism blocks positive change (NJC) ["David J. Phillips" Subject: Big Yellow Taxi ! Quote by British comedian Alan Partridge. *On traffic* That was Big Yellow Taxi by Joni Mitchell, a song in which Joni complains they 'Paved paradise to put up a parking lot', a measure which actually would have alleviated traffic congestion on the outskirts of paradise, something which Joni singularly fails to point out, perhaps because it doesn't quite fit in with her blinkered view of the world. Nevertheless, nice song. - -- - -- Joe Jones +44 7831 914094 np - How The West Was Won - Led Zeppelin. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 13:45:56 -0400 From: "David J. Phillips" Subject: Re: New Library item: Hostility toward feminism blocks positive change (NJC) No, it does not take a lot of imagination to piss off a feminist. Just lump us all into one group and ridicule us for taking ourselves too seriously. djp On 24/07/13 13:3156, Clint Norwood wrote: > I think I understand Joni's take on feminism. Those of us that really > want to be individuals don't like being lumped into a group and > labeled. > > Plus there is George Carlin's take which, while funny is also pretty > reasonable.. > > > "Feminists want to control your language. Feminists want to tell you > how to talk. And their not alone. Their not alone. I'm not picking on > the feminists. They got a lot of company in this country. There's a > lot of groups, a lot of institutions in this country want to control > your language. Tell you what you can say and what you can't say. As I > said, I got nothing against the feminists. In fact, I happen to agree > with most of the feminist philosophy I have read. > > But, when it comes to changing the language, I think they make some > good points, because we do think in language and so the quality of > our thoughts and ideas could only be as good as the quality of our > language. So maybe some of this patriarcho shit ought to go away. I > think mankind ought to be human kind, but they take it too far, they > take themselves too seriously, they exaggerate. They want me to call > that thing in the street a personhole cover. I think that's taking it > a little bit too far. > > > You know what I mean? So...so I think it's an exaggeration and I like > to piss off any group that take's itself a little bit too seriously. > And it does not take a lot of imagination to piss off a feminist." > > -Clint > > > > > > ________________________________ From: > "TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com" To: > joni@smoe.org Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 8:55 PM Subject: New > Library item: Hostility toward feminism blocks positive change > > > Title: Hostility toward feminism blocks positive change Publication: > The Manitoban Date: 2013.7.22 > > http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2646 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 14:41:24 -0400 From: Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com Subject: RE: This simple line Court and Spark is filled with so many of those same images and places you described Bob. One that stands out for me is "Car on a Hill" ----- bHe makes friends easy - hebs not like me / I watch for judgement anxiously / now where in the city can that boy beb The image of being in a new relationship and waiting for that person to show up and feeling so vulnerable and insecure until they do......I think we have all been there in at that moment... "It always seems so righteous at the start ..... When there's so much laughter ......When there's so much spark......When there's so much sweetness in the dark" Perfect description of the early stages of the magic associated with a new relationship and the euphoria and sweetness of experiencing a lover for the first time...... - - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 7:47 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: This simple line Because I am exposed to and listen to so many covers of Joni's songs, I get to where I'm not necessarily locked into Joni's version of the song (particularly with everything pre-Court & Spark that I didn't really hear until mach later). Anyway, I always listen closely to see if a vocalist tweaks a lyric, changes words, genders, etc and such. In doing so, I often hear a lyric that strikes me, even the ones that sing the exact same words as Joni. The past 2-3 weeks the one that keeps going through my head is this one from "All I Want": "I want to be the one that you want to see" Now, I adore a lyric with unique words and images, such as "I crawl like a viper through these suburban streets, make love to these women, languid and bittersweet', and of course Joni has a plethora of them, most of "Furry" and the entire Hejira album in fact, but the brutal and honest simplicity of the above line really pulls me in. Because we've all been in that situation, maybe at a party or some gathering, and there are people there that you want to see, people that you're lukewarm about, and people that you DON'T want to see. I have people in all three categories and have also been in all three I'm sure. Being the person that "you want to see" is a special place to be. Joni captures that feeling perfectly with this line simply by stating the stark blunt truth. I suppose that's the beauty with most of Blue though, isn't it? My 2 cents on a Tuesday morning. Bob . - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 15:51:34 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: New Library item: 'I don't want to be honoured' Wow, I am flummoxed every time I read more about this whole Saskatoon clusterfluck. Joni has reacted in true Joni fashion to this nonsense: "There are so many things I want to do, that I should be doing, without getting sidetracked into these dubious and eventually nonexistent honours." "Saskatoon has always been an extremely bigoted community. It's like the deep south ... People don't get me there. They don't get my ideas. They just look at me like I'm famous. That's a minor part of it." Word. I would love to see this stuff. Hey, I'm a researcher at Cornell ... send me your stuff Joni!!! :-) Susan Tierney McNamara email:B sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:55 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: New Library item: 'I don't want to be honoured' Title: 'I don't want to be honoured' Publication: Saskatoon StarPhoenix Date: 2013.7.24 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2647 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 14:01:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Clint Norwood Subject: Re: New Library item: Hostility toward feminism blocks positive change (NJC) Thanks Anita, I fear anyone without a sense of humour. I'm going to go listen to Flush Limburger and listen to some Ted Nugent ;) - -Clint ________________________________ From: Anita To: Clint Norwood Cc: David J. Phillips ; "TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com" ; "joni@smoe.org" Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 2:34 PM Subject: Re: New Library item: Hostility toward feminism blocks positive change (NJC) As a feminist I get very tired of the cliches about being humourless, man hating etc. etc. I love Joni's music and I know she and I would see things very differently about what I see as the achievements of feminist thinking. Anyway, Clint, like you say you're just trying to understand Joni. As for me, I must go and get into my dungarees, put on my Doc Marten's, get along to my consciousness raising group and make sure I don't crack a smile Anita On 24 Jul 2013, at 20:11, Clint Norwood wrote: > I was just trying to understand Joni. And George did the lumping, though I do > agree we err when we take ourselves too seriously in an absurd world. > :) > -Clint > > > > > ________________________________ > From: David J. Phillips > > To: Clint Norwood > Cc: > "TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com" ; "joni@smoe.org" > > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 12:45 PM > Subject: Re: New > Library item: Hostility toward feminism blocks positive change (NJC) > > > No, > it does not take a lot of imagination to piss off a feminist. Just > lump us > all into one group and ridicule us for taking ourselves too > seriously. > > djp > On 24/07/13 13:3156, Clint Norwood wrote: >> I think I understand Joni's > take on feminism. Those of us that really >> want to be individuals don't like > being lumped into a group and >> labeled. >> >> Plus there is George Carlin's > take which, while funny is also pretty >> reasonable.. >> >> >> "Feminists want to > control your language. Feminists want to tell you >> how to talk. And their not > alone. Their not alone. I'm not picking on >> the feminists. They got a lot of > company in this country. There's a >> lot of groups, a lot of institutions in > this country want to control >> your language. Tell you what you can say and > what you can't say. As I >> said, I got nothing against the feminists. In fact, > I happen to agree >> with most of the feminist philosophy I have read. >> >> But, > when it comes to changing the language, I think they make some >> good points, > because we do think in language and so the quality of >> our thoughts and ideas > could only be as good as the quality of our >> language. So maybe some of this > patriarcho shit ought to go away. I >> think mankind ought to be human kind, > but they take it too far, they >> take themselves too seriously, they > exaggerate. They want me to call >> that thing in the street a personhole > cover. I think that's taking it >> a little bit too far. >> >> >> You know what I > mean? So...so I think it's an exaggeration and I like >> to piss off any group > that take's itself a little bit too seriously. >> And it does not take a lot of > imagination to piss off a feminist." >> >> -Clint >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ From: >> > "TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com" To: >> joni@smoe.org > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 8:55 PM Subject: New >> Library item: Hostility > toward feminism blocks positive change >> >> >> Title: Hostility toward feminism > blocks positive change Publication: >> The Manitoban Date: 2013.7.22 >> >> > http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2646 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1028 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------