From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1019 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, July 21 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1019 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Thee? [Shari Eaton ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 10:25:22 -0700 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: Thee? It's just in dreams we fly. In my dreams we fly! In this lyric Joni reminds me to be happy that at least we have the ability to fly while we're dreaming. Even if it is done awkwardly and for a short time it feels real for the moment. Lots of Joni, Shari On Jul 20, 2013, at 11:30 PM, "Mark" wrote: > Ok, I'll bite. > > Why would Joni's 'gentle relations' have names they must call a flying thing for loving the freedom of all flying things? > > My feeling has always been that Joni has a fascination with the physical act of flight. In 'Amelia' she sings 'like *me*, she had a dream to fly'. Of course 'fly' in that line can quite easily be interpreted as being metaphorical. But I think it is probably both literal and metaphorical although I think Joni's dream is to fly without benefit of an airplane. There is also that lovely photo on the inner sleeve of the original vinyl pressings of 'Hejira' of Joni in the black feathered cap with black draped arms outstretched in imitation of a 'black crow flying' that she likens herself to in the song 'Black Crow'. > > When I was a very young child I remember imagining that I could fly. I have an oddly vivid memory of lying on my stomach on the top of the small slide attached to our swing set in the backyard, lifting off of it and flying up to the roof of our house. No doubt it was a dream but it seemed real to me at the time. I still occasionally fantasize about what it would be like to fly like a bird. Looking down on everything.... > > Now I wonder what 'my gentle relations' would have thought if I had told them I had levitated myself to the roof of the house? Silly boy. Dreamy. Lives in his own imaginary world. > > When she was a young adult, maybe Joni's family would have found her love of 'the freedom of all flying things' to be foolish. Or worse, maybe a bit loony. (She is Canadian, after all. ;-)) > > Mark in Seattle > -----Original Message----- From: Les Irvin > Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 9:06 PM > To: Joni List > Subject: Thee? > > Discuss! > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: > Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 21:39:54 +0000 > From: Laskowski, Michael > To: les@jonimitchell.com > > > > Hi, I just wanted to suggest that Joni seems to be singing the line six > of the "Song to a Seagull" : > > /Have names they must call *thee*/ > > I'm hardly an expert, but "me" seems to make little sense there -- it > damages the leading metaphor (or at least my understanding of it). The > mistake is replicated in the tabs and chords files (and few covers of > that song I've heard). > > The live version from 1967 has the "thee" more vividly pronounced. > > Regards, > Michael ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1019 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------