From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #12 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, January 2 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 012 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: JMDL Digest V2013 #7 ["Gary Hanick" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 09:09:26 -0800 From: "Gary Hanick" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2013 #7 I don't think she intended it as a "Christmas" song, traditional or untraditional. A lot of us feel a sense of longing, melancholy, a search for home or roots or life assessment around this time of year. That's all well and good. In Southern California, we have these radio stations playing Christmas songs, starting in early November. By US Thanksgiving, many of us are just plain tired of hearing it, tired of this forced feeling of shopping-induced "high". Now that the holidays are over, the inevitable crash takes place after the artificial high -- for some of us. Bottom line, I've yet to hear "River" on any of these stations, which is a pity. Leave it to Joni to be the downer at the party, eh? Corporate America certainly cannot allow this! Anyway, if "River" makes more people aware of Joni's music, this is good. BYT has been dragged through the mud enough times. To the uninitiated, it's one of her few "upbeat" ditties -- LOL. We don't even hear much from C & S on the radio here anymore. And to the mainstream, Joni disappeared in a cloud of melancholy after C & S. And, thanks to mega big box retailers like Wal Mart, Target, Best Buy, et al, Joni Mitchell does not even exist. It's force feeding the masses with junk music that, over time, numbs our mental and spiritual taste buds and sensibilities to anything deeper than Lady Gaga's newest costume. Sorry to sound like Scrooge, but to those of us who "get" Joni's music, it's okay to have these feelings. "Only a phase....these dark cafi days." Joni's done exactly what she said she'd do in that song...she made a lot of money and quit the crazy scene. Can't blame her, although some of us miss the sweet elixir of her heart songs. How many times can we replay the same soundtrack? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni-digest@smoe.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 7:26 AM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #7 JMDL Digest Wednesday, January 2 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 007 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- RE: Joni Covers #157 - Oceans of Rivers [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 10:18:03 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: Joni Covers #157 - Oceans of Rivers What is the consensus here of River as a traditional Christmas song?> I think your answer possibly depends on what constitutes a "traditional" Christmas song...it's an interesting and timely question, as I was just thinking about River covers this very morning. I would answer the question with a resounding YES and I would define the phrase as a song that has become associated with the holiday season. This association has happened as an unintentional trend which is why, I suppose, along with its melancholy theme makes it a somewhat controversial holiday song. To the best of my knowledge, the first cover of the song was in 1973 by Dave von Ronk. As far as I can tell, the first inclusion of River as a SEASONAL song occurred in 1991 with Wintergreen's release titled "Winter". In 1999/2000 (about the time I started the project), at least TEN recordings came out on holiday/christmas albums, along with a couple unreleased from holiday specials. Fast forward to this year and last, there were 30 official releases of River as a Christmas/Seasonal song, and many more unreleased. Just go to Youtube, do a search for "Joni Mitchell" for the last month, and 90% of the videos are all people covering River (of varying quality I might add). Whether we like it or not, or agree or not, the fact is that River HAS become a traditional Christmas/Holiday song. Because of that, it has vaulted to the #3 spot as the most-covered Joni song, and this time next year (or sooner) it will overtake BYT and become #2. Don't think it'll ever take over the #1 spot though! Bob - - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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