From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #990 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, July 11 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 990 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #987 ["Mark" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 16:13:04 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #987 I took a look at Fiona's latest in Starbuck's yesterday. I don't know if the title is a lyric from one of the songs or any indication of the content but it seems to me to have much more of an edge to it than most of Joni's output. The Idler Wheel Is Wiser Than the Driver of the Screw and Whipping Cords Will Serve You More Than Ropes Will Ever Do I think Joni does have some edge in some of her work, however. I don't know about popular artists in music today. I get a kick out of Lady Gaga. I'm on the fence about Adele. Debating whether I want to buy one of her CDs or not. I've seen Adele on TV and she reminds me a bit of Dusty Springfield. I have Laura Marling's last one in my Amazon wish list and haven't bought it yet. I didn't have a whole lot of disposable income in the years when most of you were buying a lot of music. It made me very selective and that seems to have stayed with me over the years. I've 'discovered' music in the last 10 or so years that is more than 30 or 40 years old now. Dusty Springfield is a good example. I never knew what a wonderful singer she was until I picked up the Rhino 'Dusty in Memphis' with extra tracks sometime after it was released in 1999. I do think that movies have become so box office driven that it is almost impossible to find anything that, for me anyway, is worth paying money to see. Everything is either a remake of an older movie, a graphically gory movie about vampires or some other supernatural predatory creature, an outlandishly plotted action thriller with lots of explosions and special effects, a take-off on some old television sit-com, Pixar animated with those shiny looking, kinda cutesy, kinda scary looking critters that spout out smart remarks or some inane comedy with silly and/or scatological content that passes for humor. Lately there has also been a trend of making the same fairy tales that Disney used to make hand-drawn animated films out of and putting a new, dark, edgy slant on them. No, thank you. End of rant. Back to the shadows. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Gary Hanick Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 2:01 PM To: joni@smoe.org ; joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #987 Yes, I agree. No one will ever take Joni's musical place, or her influence on so many of us...and why should they? But I think even Joni would agree that it's time to open the windows and let the air start to circulate. Her music will always be with us; it's part of our genetic structure, I think. Just as the impressionists gave rise to new art forms and it continued to evolve, we can only hope the same will happen with popular music. Of course there are plenty of exceptions, but the last 25 years, or so, have not been encouraging. There've been no Elvis, Dylan, Beatles, Stones, Elton, Springsteen, Michael Jackson, Aretha, Whitney, or Madonna to STIR the mass imagination. It's been very fractured. It's always been about making money, but we've taken that, as with everything else, and ran it off a cliff. I am sure I am going to get called on this...it's just my opinion. Had popular music been more inspirational, perhaps the world would not be in quite the funk it is these days -- and has been for awhile! The 60's and 70's would have been deadly without the music. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni-digest@smoe.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 12:57 PM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #987 JMDL Digest Wednesday, July 11 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 987 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: Joni versu Fiona. [Shari Eaton ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 12:50:26 -0700 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: Joni versu Fiona. As much as we'd all love a lot more Joni like influence in our lives I'm quite certain we all know in our hearts that she is simply unique and irreplaceable. Shari On Jul 11, 2012, at 12:24 PM, Merk54@aol.com wrote: > So all of this talk about Joni versus Fiona really peaked my interest. > Prior to this, I had none of Fionabs music, and knew very little about her. > Trusting the extremely high taste level of the JMDL, I decided to purchase > her new CD and buy a ticket for her concert last night at the Chicago > Theatre. I think the CD will take a few listens to before I can pass judgment > on > it, but the show last night was amazing. I havenbt been able to dig into > her lyrics yet, so I canbt really compare them to Jonibs, but from a live > concert perspective, they are very different artists. In my opinion, Fiona > was much closer to Patti Smith than Joni. There is much more venom in her > presentation then anything Joni has done (maybe her live version of > Banquet comes close). Fiona was a very visceral performer, twisting and > twitching and contorting her body, as if she was exorcising the songs from > inside > her. > Joni has always been a master of melancholy to me, where Fiona emoted more > rage - kind of like heartache versus heartbreak, drama versus trauma, > contemplation versus catharsis. Its almost like Joni might be sad at how > things > turned out, but bNo regrets, Coyoteb, where as Fiona is mad as hell and > is going to let you know it. Again, all of this is based solely upon her > performance. Once I dig into her lyrics, I might have an entirely different > opinion. > Anyway, just thought I would share this since this was discussed recently. > And thanks! This discussion turned me on to a great concert. If you > have a chance to see her, I highly recommend going. > Jack - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2012 #987 ***************************** - ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. 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