From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #864 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, June 18 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 864 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Shawn Colvin's Memoir/Klein [Rob And Tracy ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 00:06:01 -0600 From: Rob And Tracy Subject: Re: Shawn Colvin's Memoir/Klein I might have missed a few emails from this thread, so forgive me if I am repeating something already said. It was my impression that our Joan is the one who left Klein. However, I can't remember how any of that went down, and I went into my book room tonight to reference Sheila Weller, but Girls Like Us was apparently hiding amidst the book clutter (the shelves are a fire hazard). I know for sure that Joni was with Don Freed in 1994. I was living in Saskatoon at the time, a 5 minute walk to the Broadway Bridge, and, unbeknownst to me, Myrtle!s house, and I kept getting calls from my sister back in my hometown of Prince Albert, an hour north of Saskatoon, telling me about the latest Joni sightings around town. Don was the Artist in Residence at our local Arts Center, and everyone and their dog hung out with them. My sister got the waiter from Amy's on Second to steal me her wineglass one night, after Joni apparently listened intently to her conversation. It's still in my pantry. Anyway, they were together in 94 for sure. She took Freed to the Grammies for the TI win. And like Patrick, I don't think TI is the second coming. As I have said before, I much prefer the bumpy Klein period over TI. CMIARS is way underrated. Anyway, back to Klein: we ( or some of us Enquiring Minds, anyway) speculate on what songs were written for which man. And indeed, these are songs of GENIUS. Willy, RNH, ACOY, See You Sometime, etc. However, while I am not one to spin WTRF very often, I absolutely LOVE the unabashed gushing romance in Solid Love and Underneath the Streetlights. I love Joni not being melancholy. I love the joy in these songs. I love the humanity in them. True, they ain't epic stories about "who in the world you might be", but so what? We all long for crazy, stupid love. And they had that for a bit. She loved the man beside her and the open road. It ended up in a Last Chance Lost, I guess, but for a while? They were soul mates. And I loved how Klein got her out of her head for a bit. Anyway, just my! 2 cents . Rob NP: Fogelberg "Leader of the Band" for my first Father's Day without a father. Fellow Dads, teach your children well.... Sent from my iPad On 2012-06-17, at 1:26 PM, "patrick leader" wrote: > hey all - > > i'd heard there have been difficulties in joni's relationship with kilauren, > so i wasn't bothered by that, but this pissed me off: > > --- in the end he broke her heart. It just bothers me that he dumped Joni > for his young Brazilian wife. > > but i see that laura has done some deep research about it. > > here's a little more. i also didn't like the petty 'young brazilian wife' > reference. here are the birth and wedding years: > > joni - 1943 > klein - 1956 > souza - 1966 > > klein m. joni - 1982 > klein m. souza - 2006 > > so joni and klein were 38 and 26 when they married, while klein and souza > were 50 and 40. the age difference was larger and more significant for joni > and klein (as they were both younger), and souza was 40 with a very serious > career going on when she married klein, hardly a young or insignificant > person. > > i don't mean to pick on you, sharon, but the paragraph did seem to be more > about the joni in your head rather than the real person. > > i also agree with rob (evian) about klein's influence. first, he's a great > bass player, stepping into jaco's shoes on the 1982 live appearances and the > 1983 tour and sounding fantastic. second, they went on a production journey > together. they made some mistakes together, but they got better with each > album. i think the line from wild things, dog eat dog, chalkmark, and night > ride home is improvement with each album, and some (but not me) would put > turbulent indigo even higher. that's a pretty good record, and, for > contrast, joni's first album without klein (taming the tiger) is very poorly > arranged and produced. > >> In my top 4 fave Joni songs is Nothing Can be Done, which she claims isn't > autobiographical but I call bs on that. > > yes to calling bs on joni and yes to a fantastic song. > > patrick > > np - tennis on tv ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2012 #864 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------