From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #825 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, June 8 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 825 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- NJC RE:Earth Day and Shamanism [Anita G ] Re: Devil's Bargain [Shari Eaton ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 20:08:07 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: NJC RE:Earth Day and Shamanism Hi Tony You seem to me to be grappling with the big issues about life, death and our responsibilities as human beings to the sacredness of all living things, as well as your own karma. I gave up eating four legged beings over 30 years ago, mainly because of the way I feel animals suffer on the way to slaughter. I was working at a petrol/gas station filling up a truck when a beautiful cow with the biggest brown eyes I have ever seen rubbed his nose against me and I siad to the driver 'Isn't she beautiful?' And he said 'Yes. Shame she'll have a bolt through her head in an hour.' In that moment, I just realised I didn't want to eat four leggeds any more and I never have. However, I don't have such a problem if animals are eaten but respected in some way for their sacrifice and thanked for what they give. In the old days, people kept their animals and they were killed on the farms. I still don't want to eat them personally, but I would be much happier if they were given a good life and transported miles to be slaughtered. Some farmers do their best with this. As for our own decisions about our pets (and I am so sorry to hear about your struggle with your dogs) I struggled, like Catherine and Bob, making the decision to have my cat, Mowser, put to sleep and we also have Mowser's sister, Ellie, currently wasting away who also yowls at night with a very strange call. Like you, I had Mowser put to sleep on my lap on our garden and I stroked her as she died. I don't have much of a religious belief (though I do like to think I have a spiritual side to me) but I did cry and said to a friend (when I felt loads of guilt about deciding to call the vet to kill her) 'I just hope that there are angels who are looking after her. My very wise and spiritual friend 'Sometimes, we have to be the angels'. I haven't felt haunted by Mowser, in fact, we covered in a little shawl to bury her in the garden and a small brown butterfly landed on it and stayed for quite some time. The next day, as I sat close by crying over me dear old cat, the butterfly landed on me and stayed. I took some comfort in that. In the west and in these days of incredible surgery, nutrition, medicines and science, our ability to postpone death for ourselves and for our pets confronts us with choices that our grandparents never had the opportunities to make.New medicine helped keep your dog(s) going for longer than usual if Nature had followed an uninterrupted course. Advances in medicine means that we may have to make difficult decisions. All that we can do is to act respectfully and mindfully about the sacredness of all life whilst honouring the great gift of additional time on this earth that new medicine gives us. However, this may mean us, not Nature, calling time when the mess on the carpet gets too much. I sincerely hope that someone will do the same for me. I often feel terrified of medicine that keeps my heart beating when my spirit and my bladder/bowel strength have long gone. I also really hope that you won't give yourself too hard a time over this. I am so sure it wouldn't be what your dogs would want for you. You sound respectful and mindful. Maybe you could allow yourself to think that Holly might have seen you as an angel, With love Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 09:35:03 -0700 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: Devil's Bargain If you read through the link I sent on Joni's theories around finding balance in our lives between feeling, thinking, intuiting and knowing she mentions the garden of Eden and the bitten apple of knowledge (self-consciousness) quite a lot. I believe this is what she is referring to here with The Devil's bargain lyric. She even mentions this song in that article. Wouldn't we all love to get directly in touch with Joni :) http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2030 Best, Shari On Jun 5, 2012, at 9:09 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > Hi Matthew - > > I've always thought of that lyric (we are caught in the > Devil's bargain) as a contrast to the "We are stardust, we are golden" > concept; that is to say that we from pure origins but get caught up in > more evil habits and lifestyles, a "devil's bargain" in the models of > Faust or Robert Johnson, making a deal with the devil to get what we want > at the cost of our humanity. > > The plea to "get back to the garden" is a plea to get back to our better, > purer ways. > > Bob > > > > > From: Les Irvin > To: Joni List > Date: 06/05/2012 11:53 AM > Subject: Fwd: Message from website > Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org > > > > Discuss! Copy Matthew on any replies. > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Hi there, I realise you can't contact Joni directly but maybe > someone at this website can help. I have been listening to Joni's > music for years and am a big fan. I would really love to know what > Joni meant by the lyric in 'Woodstock' - we are caught in the > Devil's bargain. I find that such a fascinating line so open to > interpretation. If you could give me any clues I would be very > grateful indeed. Great website by the way. All the best. x > > Name: Matthew Turner > email: turnermp@live.co.uk > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2012 #825 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. 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