From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #738 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, May 16 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 738 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: who should portray Joni? [Paul Ivice ] Re: who should portray Joni? [Rose M Joy ] RE: who should portray Joni? [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #737 [Lindsay Moon ] Re: who should portray Joni? [Rose M Joy ] Re: who should portray Joni? ["Mark" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 15:19:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Ivice Subject: Re: who should portray Joni? - -----Original Message----- From: Rose M Joy To: Dan Olson Cc: Susan Tierney McNamara ; Paul Ivice ; joni Sent: Tue, May 15, 2012 2:35 pm Subject: Re: who should portray Joni? What about Kilauren? Well, let's see. What's wrong with this suggestion? Besides the obvioous potential emotional strife she might face in understaking such a role, Kilauren is over 40 years old now and has no appreciable acting experience. That should be three strikes against her in anyone's book. Paul Ivice ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 15:09:05 -0400 From: Rose M Joy Subject: Re: who should portray Joni? Perhaps she would have some issues, but there was a movie being made in Asbury Park, where a young female character was portrayed by my friend Susan's daughter. Later in the script, as the women grew older, her mother, Susan appeared at the screendoor. It actually worked out very well. Just thinking...in between tearing down wallpaper lol. Rosie Sent from my iPhone On May 15, 2012, at 2:47 PM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: > Yeah, I don't really mind if they lip synch as long as it's a good > script and > great acting ... Kilauren? I don't know about you but I can't see > myself > playing my mother in a movie ... that would freak me out!! :) > > Susan Tierney McNamara > email: sem8@cornell.edu > > From: Dan Olson [mailto:dgolson999@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:23 PM > To: Susan Tierney McNamara > Cc: Paul Ivice; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: who should portray Joni? > > Note also that Jessica Lange lip-synched the Patsy Cline singing. > So perhaps > whoever plays Joni could do the same. Even when singers sing their > own parts > in movies, they lip-synch vocals actually done in a recording studio. > On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara > > wrote: > yeah, I agree with Paul here ... if you think about the way the book > played > out, most of the story was about the start of their careers pre-30. > I think > they will go with actresses in their 20s ... it's easier to make > them look > older than make older actresses look younger ... I think going with > talented > newcomers would be great. I also agree that good acting is better > than good > musicianship ... Sissy Spacek was brilliant as Loretta Lynn (and I > think she > sang this role, too, right?) She didn't look exactly like Loretta > either. > Also, Jessica Lange did a great job with Patsy Cline, but didn't > really look > exactly like her. > > sue > > > email: sem8@cornell.edu > ________________________________________ > From: owner-joni@smoe.org > [owner-joni@smoe.org] on behalf of Paul > Ivice > [ivpaul42@aol.com] > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 12:52 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: who should portray Joni? > > I strongly agree with Marianne that the search for an actress should > be a >> search for someone with great acting abilities and who can capture >> some of >> Joni's mystique, and not centre around any musical ability rather >> except >> for the absolutely necessary, and I wonder how about Uma Thurman, >> who'll >> meet that credential? > > Isn't the story to be filmed about how these women broke into the > music scene > to become stars when they were in their 20s? > Uma is 42, Charlize is 37. I know they are both great actors but > expecting > either of them to play a credible Joni, who was 24 (and looked and > sounded > younger) when she wrote Woodstock, is a huge stretch,when someone like > 22-year-old Taylor Swift might be available. > > Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 18:47:41 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: who should portray Joni? Yeah, I don't really mind if they lip synch as long as it's a good script and great acting ... Kilauren? I don't know about you but I can't see myself playing my mother in a movie ... that would freak me out!! :) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu From: Dan Olson [mailto:dgolson999@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:23 PM To: Susan Tierney McNamara Cc: Paul Ivice; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: who should portray Joni? Note also that Jessica Lange lip-synched the Patsy Cline singing. So perhaps whoever plays Joni could do the same. Even when singers sing their own parts in movies, they lip-synch vocals actually done in a recording studio. On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara > wrote: yeah, I agree with Paul here ... if you think about the way the book played out, most of the story was about the start of their careers pre-30. I think they will go with actresses in their 20s ... it's easier to make them look older than make older actresses look younger ... I think going with talented newcomers would be great. I also agree that good acting is better than good musicianship ... Sissy Spacek was brilliant as Loretta Lynn (and I think she sang this role, too, right?) She didn't look exactly like Loretta either. Also, Jessica Lange did a great job with Patsy Cline, but didn't really look exactly like her. sue email: sem8@cornell.edu ________________________________________ From: owner-joni@smoe.org [owner-joni@smoe.org] on behalf of Paul Ivice [ivpaul42@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 12:52 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: who should portray Joni? I strongly agree with Marianne that the search for an actress should be a > search for someone with great acting abilities and who can capture some of > Joni's mystique, and not centre around any musical ability rather except > for the absolutely necessary, and I wonder how about Uma Thurman, who'll > meet that credential? Isn't the story to be filmed about how these women broke into the music scene to become stars when they were in their 20s? Uma is 42, Charlize is 37. I know they are both great actors but expecting either of them to play a credible Joni, who was 24 (and looked and sounded younger) when she wrote Woodstock, is a huge stretch,when someone like 22-year-old Taylor Swift might be available. Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 15:48:22 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #737 Joni said she met with Prince and went to his recording studio and when he played her the song/s he felt "stole" from her or were "heavily influenced" by her, she couldn't hear the similarities at all. Haha. Lindsay On May 15, 2012, at 11:23 AM, JMDL Digest wrote: > > JMDL Digest Tuesday, May 15 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 737 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: Still more... (NJC) Beatle Content!!! [Rose M Joy ] > Re: 2012 JoniMitchell.com fundraiser- it's covers time! [Bob.Muller@Fluor] > Fwd: Still more... (NJC) Beatle Content!!! [Michael Paz Re: who should portray Joni? [Dan Olson ] > 2012 JoniMitchell.com fundraiser- it's covers time! [Dave Blackburn Purple Rain/ Joni [Betsy Blue ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 12:48:57 -0400 > From: Rose M Joy > Subject: Re: Still more... (NJC) Beatle Content!!! > > Thank you Michael, miss George sigh....... > > Rosie > oxo > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 15, 2012, at 11:01 AM, Michael Paz > wrote: > >> Here is a little tid bit I never heard before. Check out the guitar >> part that >> never made the record on Here Comes The Sun. >> >> >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B1RxdeqxF-U > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 11:01:37 -0400 > From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Subject: Re: 2012 JoniMitchell.com fundraiser- it's covers time! > > Dave, > > Thanks for doing this - I put my tip in the jar and anxiously await this > year's collection. Last year's was indeed outstanding. > > Bob > > NP: REM, "Burning Down" > > - ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > - ------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 10:01:50 -0500 > From: Michael Paz > Subject: Fwd: Still more... (NJC) Beatle Content!!! > > Here is a little tid bit I never heard before. Check out the guitar part that > never made the record on Here Comes The Sun. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B1RxdeqxF-U > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 13:23:27 -0500 > From: Dan Olson > Subject: Re: who should portray Joni? > > Note also that Jessica Lange lip-synched the Patsy Cline singing. So > perhaps whoever plays Joni could do the same. Even when singers sing their > own parts in movies, they lip-synch vocals actually done in a recording > studio. > > On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara > wrote: > >> yeah, I agree with Paul here ... if you think about the way the book >> played out, most of the story was about the start of their careers pre-30. >> I think they will go with actresses in their 20s ... it's easier to make >> them look older than make older actresses look younger ... I think going >> with talented newcomers would be great. I also agree that good acting is >> better than good musicianship ... Sissy Spacek was brilliant as Loretta >> Lynn (and I think she sang this role, too, right?) She didn't look exactly >> like Loretta either. Also, Jessica Lange did a great job with Patsy Cline, >> but didn't really look exactly like her. >> >> sue >> >> >> email: sem8@cornell.edu >> ________________________________________ >> From: owner-joni@smoe.org [owner-joni@smoe.org] on behalf of Paul Ivice [ >> ivpaul42@aol.com] >> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 12:52 PM >> To: joni@smoe.org >> Subject: who should portray Joni? >> >> I strongly agree with Marianne that the search for an actress should be a >>> search for someone with great acting abilities and who can capture some >> of >>> Joni's mystique, and not centre around any musical ability rather except >>> for the absolutely necessary, and I wonder how about Uma Thurman, who'll >>> meet that credential? >> >> Isn't the story to be filmed about how these women broke into the music >> scene >> to become stars when they were in their 20s? >> Uma is 42, Charlize is 37. I know they are both great actors but expecting >> either of them to play a credible Joni, who was 24 (and looked and sounded >> younger) when she wrote Woodstock, is a huge stretch,when someone like >> 22-year-old Taylor Swift might be available. >> >> Paul Ivice ;>) > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 07:16:03 -0700 > From: Dave Blackburn > Subject: 2012 JoniMitchell.com fundraiser- it's covers time! > > Dear Joniphiles, > > It's time once again for the annual JoniMitchell.com fundraiser and, as for the past two years, everyone who makes a donation will be treated to a download collection of Joni covers. The musicians among us are invited to record a Joni cover (just one please) and send it to me at this email address via Dropbox or Yousendit. Important: AIFF, Apple Lossless or WAV formats are what I need; Mp3s or Mp4 files will not work as they can't be edited or mastered. Contact me offlist if you need help understanding the digital audio jargon. > > Each year the quality of the covers submissions has been outstanding. I'm sure this year will be no exception. > > Donations from any and all can be made via Paypal or even a mailed check to http://jonimitchell.com/donate.cfm > > yours in music, > Dave > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 14:32:31 -0700 > From: Betsy Blue > Subject: Purple Rain/ Joni > > Coyote Rick said; > > "Never having been a huge Prince fan, I've not paid a lot of attention to his > music. On the way into work this AM, our local (awesome) classic rock station > was playing a salute to 1984. This song started which at first I thought was > Joni, sounding something like would come from TTT. It all happened so fast, my > not-yet-fully-awake brain didn't consider the chronology. Alas, turns out it > was Purple Rain. I recall Joni and Prince having a cordial relationship. Just > wondering if anyone else has heard a musical similarity?" > > Now I'm a big fan of Prince, and happen to think he is an innovator, not just > a hybrid. He was deeply influenced by Joni, and I hear it in his rhythm and > harmony. > > There are the obvious references to Joni and the song Help Me in The Ballad of > Dorothy Parker, but the sampling technique is actually very similar to This > Flight Tonight. > > Mr. McGee is the boss of the 5 and dime in Raspberry Beret, and has a General > Store in Paprika Plains. Who else wears berets? These songs also share the > "weather report" conveying emotion. > > Controversy has "*Joni*" on the back cover. > > I always think of Shadows and Light when Let's Go Crazy starts up. > > And don't forget A Case of U! > > Prince also wrote a song intended for Joni, but she didn't record it. > > One of my friends had a couple of professional encounters with Prince and > found him to be very amiable. He was also wearing leggings on both occasions > and a backwards sweater on one, but that's another story. > > Betsy > NP Hold On, Alabama Shakes > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2012 #737 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, send tojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 14:34:49 -0400 From: Rose M Joy Subject: Re: who should portray Joni? What about Kilauren? Sent from my iPhone On May 15, 2012, at 2:23 PM, Dan Olson wrote: > Note also that Jessica Lange lip-synched the Patsy Cline singing. So > perhaps whoever plays Joni could do the same. Even when singers > sing their > own parts in movies, they lip-synch vocals actually done in a > recording > studio. > > On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara > wrote: > >> yeah, I agree with Paul here ... if you think about the way the book >> played out, most of the story was about the start of their careers >> pre-30. >> I think they will go with actresses in their 20s ... it's easier to >> make >> them look older than make older actresses look younger ... I think >> going >> with talented newcomers would be great. I also agree that good >> acting is >> better than good musicianship ... Sissy Spacek was brilliant as >> Loretta >> Lynn (and I think she sang this role, too, right?) She didn't look >> exactly >> like Loretta either. Also, Jessica Lange did a great job with >> Patsy Cline, >> but didn't really look exactly like her. >> >> sue >> >> >> email: sem8@cornell.edu >> ________________________________________ >> From: owner-joni@smoe.org [owner-joni@smoe.org] on behalf of Paul >> Ivice [ >> ivpaul42@aol.com] >> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 12:52 PM >> To: joni@smoe.org >> Subject: who should portray Joni? >> >> I strongly agree with Marianne that the search for an actress >> should be a >>> search for someone with great acting abilities and who can capture >>> some >> of >>> Joni's mystique, and not centre around any musical ability rather >>> except >>> for the absolutely necessary, and I wonder how about Uma Thurman, >>> who'll >>> meet that credential? >> >> Isn't the story to be filmed about how these women broke into the >> music >> scene >> to become stars when they were in their 20s? >> Uma is 42, Charlize is 37. I know they are both great actors but >> expecting >> either of them to play a credible Joni, who was 24 (and looked and >> sounded >> younger) when she wrote Woodstock, is a huge stretch,when someone >> like >> 22-year-old Taylor Swift might be available. >> >> Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 18:34:00 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: who should portray Joni? Sissy Spacek did do all the singing in 'Coal Miner's Daughter'. I don't know if Spacek lip-synched pre-recorded vocals. That is generally the method that singing performances have been filmed in Hollywood musicals. But that has not always been the case. I was reading a review of the Blu-Ray of 'My Fair Lady' that says Rex Harrison refused to lip-synch his songs in that movie. But then again, he mostly spoke-sang the songs and did it brilliantly. It fit the Henry Higgins that Harrison created in the musical beautifully. I believe Barbra Streisand sang the last number of 'Funny Girl' live for the filming. She didn't feel she could effectively put across one of Fanny Brice's most famous numbers, 'My Man' unless she was actually singing it while being filmed. The DVD recording of one of Judy Garland's classics, maybe 'Easter Parade', contains an 'extra' showing Garland performing a song that must have been cut from the film. There are multiple takes of her coming out from behind a curtain onto a stage as a recording of her voice plays. She doesn't start the lip-synching at the beginning of the playback, but once she starts something I can't really explain happens. The vocal seems to sound different when the movements of her mouth match the recording. It somehow comes alive and it's easy to believe she is actually singing it. But then Judy was a pro at what she was doing by that time and she did it perfectly and seemingly effortlessly. I'm not very knowledgeable about the current crop of vocalists in the recording industry. From what I see on television shows like 'American Idol', I donbt' think there has been one that sounds anything like Joni. It would be great to have an actress that could both sing and act the role with the high quality that this talented and complex artist deserves. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Susan Tierney McNamara Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 11:47 AM To: Dan Olson Cc: Paul Ivice ; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: who should portray Joni? Yeah, I don't really mind if they lip synch as long as it's a good script and great acting ... Kilauren? I don't know about you but I can't see myself playing my mother in a movie ... that would freak me out!! :) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu From: Dan Olson [mailto:dgolson999@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:23 PM To: Susan Tierney McNamara Cc: Paul Ivice; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: who should portray Joni? Note also that Jessica Lange lip-synched the Patsy Cline singing. So perhaps whoever plays Joni could do the same. Even when singers sing their own parts in movies, they lip-synch vocals actually done in a recording studio. On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara > wrote: yeah, I agree with Paul here ... if you think about the way the book played out, most of the story was about the start of their careers pre-30. I think they will go with actresses in their 20s ... it's easier to make them look older than make older actresses look younger ... I think going with talented newcomers would be great. I also agree that good acting is better than good musicianship ... Sissy Spacek was brilliant as Loretta Lynn (and I think she sang this role, too, right?) She didn't look exactly like Loretta either. Also, Jessica Lange did a great job with Patsy Cline, but didn't really look exactly like her. sue email: sem8@cornell.edu ________________________________________ From: owner-joni@smoe.org [owner-joni@smoe.org] on behalf of Paul Ivice [ivpaul42@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 12:52 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: who should portray Joni? I strongly agree with Marianne that the search for an actress should be a > search for someone with great acting abilities and who can capture some of > Joni's mystique, and not centre around any musical ability rather except > for the absolutely necessary, and I wonder how about Uma Thurman, who'll > meet that credential? Isn't the story to be filmed about how these women broke into the music scene to become stars when they were in their 20s? Uma is 42, Charlize is 37. I know they are both great actors but expecting either of them to play a credible Joni, who was 24 (and looked and sounded younger) when she wrote Woodstock, is a huge stretch,when someone like 22-year-old Taylor Swift might be available. Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2012 #738 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send tojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------