From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #692 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, May 9 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 692 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- A Rose is a Rose is a Rose ["kbhla" ] Re: A Rose is a Rose is a Rose [Betsy Blue ] Re: A rose is a [Jamie Zubairi Home ] Rita Wilson (Tom Hanks Wife) sings River on her new CD AM/FM [est86mlm@am] A rose is a [Marianne Rizzo ] RE: A Rose is a Rose is a Rose ["kbhla" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 14:03:11 -0700 From: "kbhla" Subject: A Rose is a Rose is a Rose I've always loved Joni's use of flower lyrics in her songs. Didn't realize roses were used in so many! Here are some other Joni flowers - Crocuses - Little Green Fucshias - Only Joy in Town Poppy & Orchid - Jungle Line I think there are a number of others, too. Also, there is her cat "Pansy" and her grandaughter "Daisy" ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 14:06:18 -0700 From: Betsy Blue Subject: Re: A Rose is a Rose is a Rose Bob, I was also thinking For the Roses over the Derby weekend. But Joni does use other flowers. Off the top of my head: Magnolias hopeful in Scarlett's hair A wildflower waving for you (YTMOIAR) A lame bulb in Magdalene Laundries A jungle flower and orchid vines in Jungle Line Jungle gardenia in Paprika Plains Fuchsias crowning The Only Joy in Town You did remind me of the remarks Joni made about one of the BSN paintings, about the transient nature of love. I believe her long-term long-distance relationship was on and off around this time, and her former husband had basically become a coworker/friend, so I can definitely understand why the record and the painting were on the pessimistic side. Tangential thoughts I had while running a long race on Saturday. Number One, "running to lose the blues", "the OTB" from Good Friends, That Song About the Midway, "I run in the woods", and toward the end, If and Impossible Dreamer kept me going. Did anyone happen to piss a tequila anaconda in celebration of Cinco de Mayo? Betsy NP Heart of Gold ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 23:04:57 +0100 From: Jamie Zubairi Home Subject: Re: A rose is a Blue Roses - Roses Blue. Hmmmm Anything of a Tennessee Williams reference? I doubt it but it just got me thinking. Interestingly enough, the rose in 'For The Roses' isn't an actual rose, but a red ribbon rosette that is given to horses when they win. I had to check that there were no references to actual roses. And there is an illustration of Judy Collins with her head buried in a bouquet of roses included in with the CD - where was it on the LP? On the inside? And tangentially, for YEARS I always thought it was "ceiling wax". I had had this strange Amityville Horror type image mixed in my head, of roses dipped in wax that dripped off the ceiling. > > > Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:59:01 -0400 > From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Subject: A Rose is a Rose is a Rose > > I don't know if any of you watched the Kentucky Derby Saturday. I > typically don't, but my neighbors invited me over to hang out (they have a > nice screened-in porch with a big screen TV) and watch the pre-race stuff, > the race itself, and of course enjoy some snacks and beverages. The most > exciting 2 minutes in sports (so they say) and "I'll Have Another" was the > winner. The first Joni song that came to mind was actually 'Dancing Clown' > since the basis for that song was a list of racing horse names (a weak > inspiration for a weak song but I digress), but after the win I watched as > they placed the blanket of roses on the horse's withers and I thought > about 'For The Roses'. > > Further to that, it brought back an offline discussion I had with a > JMDL'er about the number of songs that feature Roses: > > - -'For The Roses' & 'Roses Blue', both with the word in the title and > significant use of the symbol; > - -In Otis & Marlena she describes the sky being as red as meat and a cheap > pink ROSE; > - -Photo Beauty has that famous ROSE in her teeth in 'People's Parties'; > - -Miss Fortune has a ROSE on her big-game gun in 'Dreamland'; > - -'Tin Angel' has ROSES dipped in sealing wax; > - -Richard says "you like ROSES and kisses and pretty men....(we all know > the rest of that line); > - -The protagonist of 'The Gallery' is naked in the ROSES; > - -Dying ROSES feature in 'Songs To Aging Children Come'. > - -She also mentions roses in two early unreleased songs ('Strawflower Me' > & > 'Poor Sad Baby') > > I can't think of any other really significant flowers in Joni's work. Was > it a copout that she ALWAYS uses a rose or is another example of duality > (the pretty sweet-smelling flower laced with the prickly thorns?) > > Bob > - -- Jamie Zubairi Actor, Voiceover, Painter, Photographer. Acting Agent: Pelham Associates 01273 323 010 Facebook VoiceOvers SpotLight Twitter Showreel Recently completed a successful run of Orwell's *Burmese Days *for Theatre 59E59 in New York for Aya Theatre. Currently working on *'Unbroken Line*' a solo performance for various festivals in the UK in 2013 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 17:26:09 -0500 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Rita Wilson (Tom Hanks Wife) sings River on her new CD AM/FM Sorry if this is old news and already posted. I must have missed it. Rita Wilson sings RIVER on her new album released today. The CD is called AM/FM. You can hear a snippet of it here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007YQ6EJE Laura ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~NJC Below~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Get FREE Daily Protection Moisturizing Body Lotion samples from Eucerin. Has SPF 15 sunscreen. Great for travel! https://www.facebook.com/EucerinUS/app_150701131641056 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 17:40:27 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: A rose is a You have warmed my heart with thoughts of all things joni and roses. I love it when themes/ motifs are mentioned. Anytime someone wants to take a joni theme and highlight or analyze it, I am happy. Thanks sweet person. XOXO Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:59:01 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: A Rose is a Rose is a Rose I don't know if any of you watched the Kentucky Derby Saturday. I typically don't, but my neighbors invited me over to hang out (they have a nice screened-in porch with a big screen TV) and watch the pre-race stuff, the race itself, and of course enjoy some snacks and beverages. The most exciting 2 minutes in sports (so they say) and "I'll Have Another" was the winner. The first Joni song that came to mind was actually 'Dancing Clown' since the basis for that song was a list of racing horse names (a weak inspiration for a weak song but I digress), but after the win I watched as they placed the blanket of roses on the horse's withers and I thought about 'For The Roses'. Further to that, it brought back an offline discussion I had with a JMDL'er about the number of songs that feature Roses: - - -'For The Roses' & 'Roses Blue', both with the word in the title and significant use of the symbol; - - -In Otis & Marlena she describes the sky being as red as meat and a cheap pink ROSE; - - -Photo Beauty has that famous ROSE in her teeth in 'People's Parties'; - - -Miss Fortune has a ROSE on her big-game gun in 'Dreamland'; - - -'Tin Angel' has ROSES dipped in sealing wax; - - -Richard says "you like ROSES and kisses and pretty men....(we all know the rest of that line); - - -The protagonist of 'The Gallery' is naked in the ROSES; - - -Dying ROSES feature in 'Songs To Aging Children Come'. - - -She also mentions roses in two early unreleased songs ('Strawflower Me' & 'Poor Sad Baby') I can't think of any other really significant flowers in Joni's work. Was it a copout that she ALWAYS uses a rose or is another example of duality (the pretty sweet-smelling flower laced with the prickly thorns?) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 17:02:22 -0700 From: "kbhla" Subject: RE: A Rose is a Rose is a Rose Bob wrote: And can we count LILAC sprays? Of course! I was thinking that Joni had included daffodils in a song somewhere so did a search on Jonimitchell.com and found an early song I've never heard called "I Won't Cry."! Do you know this one, Bob, and have you heard a recording of it? Melancholic flower references. "The daffodils the sorry candlelight To buy my heart when loveless words were spoken Too many tears to welcome in the night Too many promises the days have broken" Kakki The daffodils the sorry candlelight To buy my heart when loveless words were spoken Too many tears to welcome in the night Too many promises the days have broken ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2012 #692 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send tojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------