From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #404 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, March 13 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 404 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Alternative to Amazon NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: Alternative to Amazon NJC [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Alternative to Amazon NJC [Bob Muller ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 07:49:03 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Alternative to Amazon NJC Haha, very funny my smarty-pants friend. We are both sluts for the new stuff and still love the old stuff too. You are guilty as charged. Bob NP: Heartless Bastards, "Down In The Canyon" ________________________________ From: Michael Paz To: Bob Muller Cc: Jim L'Hommedieu ; JMDL Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 10:46 AM Subject: Re: Alternative to Amazon NJC And then again you could just listen to the 5000 records you already have... Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Mar 10, 2012, at 9:18 AM, Bob Muller wrote: As others have said, if you have an independent record store, support them. If you're talking about buying online, CD universe is a good site, and you can find some deals on ebay if you play it right. Are you just averse to buying on Amazon? And lately, my question has not been WHERE to buy CD's but WHY. I got a Kindle Fire for Christmas, pay Rhapsody $10/month (there are many sites that stream for free), can play it through my home stereo and/or an plug in unit outside. I build a variety of playlists and get the new ones the same day they're released. It's changed my world. Been buying records and CD's since 1972 and don't anymore. And I'm late to the game, CD sales are WAY down as the business model is rapidly changing. Bob NP: 13ghosts, "Sylvianne" (an album I discovered through Rhapsody) ________________________________ From: Jim L'Hommedieu To: JMDL Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 7:27 PM Subject: Alternative to Amazon Where do you buy new CDs? BMG Music is no more. Columbia House is LONG gone. Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 15:23:16 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Alternative to Amazon NJC While I have no doubt at all that Bob is right about streaming and subscription services being the new delivery model, and understand that convenience and low price will always prevail, there is another side to the issue to factor: From the artist's perspective, selling CDs is unquestionably the way to go. The revenue from downloads is miniscule, and probably even less from subscription services, and yet the cost of recording the music in the first place must be recouped somehow. It's just about feasible to break even if you can sell 400-500 CDs, but not feasible at all if the all virtual model is what replaces it. Besides, you have to have CDs to sell at your gigs (so you can even get a gig in some cases) so the artwork,design and manufacturing costs are still there. As with downloads, subscription services give you practically no information about the band or the recording, which CD booklets still provide. So the music floats in the ether, untethered to the people who made it. If you wanted, say, to follow the larger career of the guitarist on a track you like, how would you do it, unless you could find out who it was? Is Google really more convenient than liner notes in this scenario? I would urge Jim and anyone else looking to buy albums, from indie artists at least, to support the artist directly by buying from their websites. It's not one-stop shopping to be sure, but it gives the highest level of support and let's you connect directly with the artist. As Lori Fye recently wrote on Facebook about meeting Jonatha Brooke after a show, Jonatha lit up when she saw Lori had "bought product" and commented as such. It really is a huge difference for the artist to have their physical CD purchased, as opposed to downloaded. No one has a relationship with a downloaded track, no matter how good it is; The term Desert Island Downloads is still, thankfully, somewhat funny. Dave....(err, who has discs for sale...) On Mar 10, 2012, at 7:18 AM, Bob Muller wrote: > As others have said, if you have an independent record store, support them. If > you're talking about buying online, CD universe is a good site, and you can > find some deals on ebay if you play it right. Are you just averse to buying on > Amazon? > > And lately, my question has not been WHERE to buy CD's but WHY. I > got a Kindle Fire for Christmas, pay Rhapsody $10/month (there are many sites > that stream for free), can play it through my home stereo and/or an plug in > unit outside. I build a variety of playlists and get the new ones the same day > they're released. > > It's changed my world. Been buying records and CD's since > 1972 and don't anymore. And I'm late to the game, CD sales are WAY down as the > business model is rapidly changing. > > Bob > > NP: 13ghosts, "Sylvianne" (an > album I discovered through Rhapsody) > > > ________________________________ > From: Jim L'Hommedieu > To: JMDL > Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 7:27 PM > Subject: Alternative to Amazon > > Where do > you buy new CDs? BMG Music is no more. Columbia House is LONG gone. > > Jim > L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 07:18:03 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Alternative to Amazon NJC As others have said, if you have an independent record store, support them. If you're talking about buying online, CD universe is a good site, and you can find some deals on ebay if you play it right. Are you just averse to buying on Amazon? And lately, my question has not been WHERE to buy CD's but WHY. I got a Kindle Fire for Christmas, pay Rhapsody $10/month (there are many sites that stream for free), can play it through my home stereo and/or an plug in unit outside. I build a variety of playlists and get the new ones the same day they're released. It's changed my world. Been buying records and CD's since 1972 and don't anymore. And I'm late to the game, CD sales are WAY down as the business model is rapidly changing. Bob NP: 13ghosts, "Sylvianne" (an album I discovered through Rhapsody) ________________________________ From: Jim L'Hommedieu To: JMDL Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 7:27 PM Subject: Alternative to Amazon Where do you buy new CDs? BMG Music is no more. Columbia House is LONG gone. Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2012 #404 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send tojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------