From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #293 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, February 21 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 293 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Taylor Swift as Joni [Catherine McKay ] Taylor Swift as Joni [Paul Castle ] RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #46 [Susan Tierney McNamara ] RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #46 ["Robert Sartorius" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 05:42:32 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Taylor Swift as Joni I wouldn't have a problem with this. Like Paz, I sometimes wonder about the choices in casting for certain movies. Paz mentioned Tom Cruise as Lestat in "Interview with the vampire" as one, and I remember thinking that Renee Zellweger (sp?) as Bridget Jones sounded outrageous, but the results in both cases worked for me. I think Taylor Swift has the look (so do the others mentioned, although I don't think I know who Jennifer Lawrence is). She can sing (although some would disagree) and would need coaching in the vocal style. Amanda Seyfried can sing as well. Don't know if Taylor can act or not. As far as her style being "country," what I've heard really isn't all that country. And let's not forget that Joni often had a bit of a country sound, especially early on, with her use of steel guitars and the occasional yodel. "You turn me on, I'm a radio" is the most obvious example of that. I think Michelle Williams could probably do Joni as well as Carole. In fact, I bet she could do Carly too. Maybe she could do all three. >________________________________ > From: Paul Castle >To: joni@smoe.org >Cc: Michael Paz ; Robert Sartorius ; Michael Sentance ; Bob.Muller@fluor.com; Dave Blackburn ; Jim ; Christina Friis-Nielsen ; "sem8@cornell.edu" ; "coyoterick@aol.com" ; "kbhla@fastmail.fm" >Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 5:00:29 AM >Subject: Taylor Swift as Joni > >I see that Sheila Weller herself 'suggested' Taylor Swift in a >blog interview back in May last year - and I'm wondering >if this is how the rumour started in the first place - haven't >seen any official confirmation - see http://bit.ly/w9jM0f > >Sheila wrote: > >[...] There are more obvious Joni's than Caroles or >Carlys among young actresses today. (Amanda Seyfried, >Mia Wiakowska, Jennifer Lawrence, etc.) I'd like Taylor >Swift -- a superstar and a lovely girl -- to embrace her >Inner Joni (and what girl singer doesn;t have one?), take >a ton of acting classes, and run with it, providing the >highest-glow wattage for the ensemble, which will shine >over the whole project. And, for those who say: But T >aylor Swift's a country singer..., well, she's actually from >Pennsylvania. >> > >Sheila also suggested Michelle Williams for Carole and >Evan Rachel Wood for Carly. > >best to all >PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:00:29 +0000 From: Paul Castle Subject: Taylor Swift as Joni I see that Sheila Weller herself 'suggested' Taylor Swift in a blog interview back in May last year - and I'm wondering if this is how the rumour started in the first place - haven't seen any official confirmation - see http://bit.ly/w9jM0f Sheila wrote: >> As Joni: Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift is a huge star among young audiences, and, having just moved to Beverly Hills, she is obviously working hard to turn her music stardom into a film equivalent. Like Joni, she has written famously guessed-about songs about her boyfriends. She is tall, lean, feminine, projects charisma/exhibitionism AND shy, ladylike decorousness...that was Joni in the mid-late '60s and even early 70s. Joni is the easiest to cast, in that, as complicated as she was and is (and, man!, she was and is), on first interpretation, she fills the archetype of the lovely, sensitive, long-blond-haired girl singer (Maybe because she created that archetype), so "indication" of that now-well- understood type goes a long way; the idioysyncracies can be filled in. There are more obvious Joni's than Caroles or Carlys among young actresses today. (Amanda Seyfried, Mia Wiakowska, Jennifer Lawrence, etc.) I'd like Taylor Swift -- a superstar and a lovely girl -- to embrace her Inner Joni (and what girl singer doesn;t have one?), take a ton of acting classes, and run with it, providing the highest-glow wattage for the ensemble, which will shine over the whole project. And, for those who say: But T aylor Swift's a country singer..., well, she's actually from Pennsylvania. >> Sheila also suggested Michelle Williams for Carole and Evan Rachel Wood for Carly. best to all PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 15:51:50 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #46 Hi Bob, I did look at Howard's tab for the guitulcimer! Haha. But as I said, my goal was to not change tunings on stage. I would love to go back to that tab again and perfect that version, or go buy a dulcimer. I've drooled over some at a local music store here, but I had to give all my money to the plumber this month. !! Take care, Sue - -----Original Message----- From: Robert Sartorius [mailto:bobsart48@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 10:47 AM To: joni@smoe.org Cc: mjsentance@gmail.com; Susan Tierney McNamara; gentaman_jim@yahoo.com Subject: RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #46 Sue posted "I didn't have a dulcimer handy (hahaha) so I cobbed up a quick Joniesque version of All I Want based on NRH/Turbulent Indigo type chord shapes. I couldn't believe it worked out! Simple but workable. Actually the shapes remind me more of NRH. Joni rules!! :-)" What, no dulcimer? OK - but another alternative might have been to go to Howard Wright's tab for "guitarlcimer" on your very own transcription section of Jonimitchell.com. He suggests several alternatives for playing it. I picked what he describes as one of his "simpler" ones, in which the highest four strings (DGBE) are tuned to F# G# G# G# (I use F G G G to protect my G string ;-)). I fret only the D and E strings, using my middle and pinky fingers, and leave the middle two as drones. Howard thinks this doesn't sound as good as fretting three strings, but I think it sounds fine. In addition, Howard cautions that you should be careful to mute the low E and A strings (this can be done with your ring finger, if you choose my approach of only fretting two strings). As a second line of defense, I tune the E and A strings to G, so that if they do get hit in an open position without being muted, the tone is the drone note itself, and it sounds OK anyway. I learned to play this a couple of years after I first discovered the tab site, and have had occasional fun with it ever since. (Occasional because of the hassle of slack tuning the stuff, then restoring the tuning once you get tired of playing the same song over and over for a couple of hours :-) It would be nice to have the James Taylor licks accompanying myself, but I don't know how to play them (I can do California and A Case of You, which appear in the Hits and Misses songbooks, but All I Want is not on those records, and I am a lazy dog). More important, it would be nice to have someone who can sing a lick join me :-) Michael Sentence posted about Taylor Swift "Does she resemble the early Joni? This photo suggests it could work:" http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3791630592/nm2357847 I'd call that an understatement. Finally, Jim "Lamadoo's" comments about Swift's arm art (from BSN and California) suggest the interest is already there at her end, which would be an important component for whoever is trying to nail the part. I do hope this project gets done, Jim, despite your skepticism. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 11:15:51 -0500 From: "Robert Sartorius" Subject: RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #46 Hi Sue Yeah - I got that. In fact, I just picked up my guitar, tuned it to All I Want, and started playing. I now realize that while I fret the intro (and outro) with my middle finger on the D (tuned to F) string, I use my index finger during the verses and mute with both my middle and ring fingers. It's been a couple of years, so I am wrestling again with getting the "distances" right. I can feel a couple of hours going to pot. Bobsart (now in sunny Fla). - -----Original Message----- From: Susan Tierney McNamara [mailto:sem8@cornell.edu] Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 10:52 AM To: Robert Sartorius; joni@smoe.org Cc: mjsentance@gmail.com; gentaman_jim@yahoo.com Subject: RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #46 Hi Bob, I did look at Howard's tab for the guitulcimer! Haha. But as I said, my goal was to not change tunings on stage. I would love to go back to that tab again and perfect that version, or go buy a dulcimer. I've drooled over some at a local music store here, but I had to give all my money to the plumber this month. !! Take care, Sue - -----Original Message----- From: Robert Sartorius [mailto:bobsart48@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 10:47 AM To: joni@smoe.org Cc: mjsentance@gmail.com; Susan Tierney McNamara; gentaman_jim@yahoo.com Subject: RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #46 Sue posted "I didn't have a dulcimer handy (hahaha) so I cobbed up a quick Joniesque version of All I Want based on NRH/Turbulent Indigo type chord shapes. I couldn't believe it worked out! Simple but workable. Actually the shapes remind me more of NRH. Joni rules!! :-)" What, no dulcimer? OK - but another alternative might have been to go to Howard Wright's tab for "guitarlcimer" on your very own transcription section of Jonimitchell.com. He suggests several alternatives for playing it. I picked what he describes as one of his "simpler" ones, in which the highest four strings (DGBE) are tuned to F# G# G# G# (I use F G G G to protect my G string ;-)). I fret only the D and E strings, using my middle and pinky fingers, and leave the middle two as drones. Howard thinks this doesn't sound as good as fretting three strings, but I think it sounds fine. In addition, Howard cautions that you should be careful to mute the low E and A strings (this can be done with your ring finger, if you choose my approach of only fretting two strings). As a second line of defense, I tune the E and A strings to G, so that if they do get hit in an open position without being muted, the tone is the drone note itself, and it sounds OK anyway. I learned to play this a couple of years after I first discovered the tab site, and have had occasional fun with it ever since. (Occasional because of the hassle of slack tuning the stuff, then restoring the tuning once you get tired of playing the same song over and over for a couple of hours :-) It would be nice to have the James Taylor licks accompanying myself, but I don't know how to play them (I can do California and A Case of You, which appear in the Hits and Misses songbooks, but All I Want is not on those records, and I am a lazy dog). More important, it would be nice to have someone who can sing a lick join me :-) Michael Sentence posted about Taylor Swift "Does she resemble the early Joni? This photo suggests it could work:" http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3791630592/nm2357847 I'd call that an understatement. Finally, Jim "Lamadoo's" comments about Swift's arm art (from BSN and California) suggest the interest is already there at her end, which would be an important component for whoever is trying to nail the part. I do hope this project gets done, Jim, despite your skepticism. 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