From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #229 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, February 17 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 229 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #228 ["Gary Hanick" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:06:57 -0800 From: "Gary Hanick" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #228 Catherine -- I love your expression, "If it weren't for denial and optimism, the human race would have died out long ago." It reminds me a little of one of my teachers saying that the earth would be healed if you kept humans off it for a minimum of 100 years! Yes, none of us are perfect! Call this the School of Life. We can try to burn it down, beat up on the teacher, spray it with graffiti, ban books, de-fund it....humans still have some spark or gene or instinct in them to reach higher. Each in his/her own way...and not for us to judge the many ways. Some achieve some of it this go round, some leave early, some stay late. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni-digest@smoe.org] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 12:00 AM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #228 JMDL Digest Friday, February 17 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 228 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: Time's Up (sjc) [Victor ] Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #198 [LC Stanley ] times up, sjc [Marianne Rizzo ] Re: Dory Previn NJC [Anita G ] Find the typo... [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #214 [Mary Morris ] RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #198 ["Gary Hanick" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #198 [gerard mclaughlin ] Sire of Sorrow Video [donald.barthel@kodak.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #198 [Happy The Man ] RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #198 ["Gary Hanick" ] RE: Time's Up (sjc) ["kbhla" ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 11:15:15 -0500 From: Victor Subject: Re: Time's Up (sjc) Right on Catherine! There are lots of ways to get grounded - personally I like meditation, playing music, spending time in nature, none of which are inherently harmful to my health. Sure, smoking can be relaxing. So can drinking and other vices but it doesn't mean each doesn't come with it's own risks. Victor in Atlanta Sent from my iPhone On Feb 16, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > I have to agree with this. And, at the risk of being flamed, I really think > Joni is full of doodoo when it comes to her defence of her smoking. I really > don't think that native practice of using tobacco to ground herself, or the > way it's used in various ceremonies is meant to be an invitation to chain > smoking. > > > I know it's her choice and our talking about it does no good in > any case, but it does come up from time to time. I know it's an addictive > substance. I used to smoke but gave it up over 25 years ago and it wasn't > easy. And if I could smoke one or two cigarettes a day (the ones that i truly > enjoyed and not the ones I lit up out of habit or addiction), then I would > still do it. But that's not possible for me, as I'm sure it's not for most > people. > > She's lucky to have good genes. Her parents both lived long lives and > it sounds like they were pretty healthy for most of their lives. I don't know > whether either or them smoked or not. Somehow I can't imagine Myrtle smoking, > but who knows? > > > It's true that some people can overindulge in tobacco or > alcohol or rich foods and live a long life, but I wonder about the quality of > life in most cases. As well, there are people who never smoked who get cancers > normally associated with smoking, but I guess you just do what you can to stay > healthy, and the rest is up to genetics and chance to some extent. If I go by > family experience, then I'll probably be taken out by either cancer or a heart > attack, but I've always thought that being hit on the head by a meteorite > might be a nice ironic death. The thing is, we never know and I guess that's a > good thing. If it weren't for denial and optimism, the human race would have > died out long ago. > > > > >> ________________________________ >> From: > "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" >> >> >> And you're spot on about > genetics as well. With regard to heart attacks, >> genetics is the LARGEST > factor in their cause. By the same token, if you >> have good genes and allow > things like blood pressure, cholesterol, weight, >> to go out of control those > good genes will only help you so much in terms >> of heading off a heart > attack. I'm glad that Joni has good genes from both >> sides and also glad to > see her looking so healthy in the latest pictures >> we've seen of her. > However, it's an important distinction to note that >> she's healthy IN SPITE > OF her smoking and not BECAUSE OF it. >> >> Bob - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:07:44 -0600 From: LC Stanley Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #198 Even in a crap shoot there are factors that make them fall as they do, but no one knows all of these so we call the event random. OOXX On Feb 16, 2012, at 9:46 AM, Happy The Man wrote: > My grandparents smoked from their 30's till their early 60's only quitting when they couldn't afford to smoke and retire they lived another 35 years and ate sparingly. My dad their son smoked from 20's and died of lung cancer at 52. It's all a crapshoot but I like the non-smoking chances. > > Sent from my Kindle Fire > > _____________________________________________ > From: gerard mclaughlin > Sent: Thu Feb 16 04:33:42 CST 2012 > To: Gary Hanick > Cc: Dave Blackburn , joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #198 > > > Joni insists smoking is good for her does she not ? Says it's a grounding > herb and that some medicine man had told her that her skin was so thin her > being being a sensitive and all that smoking would help ground her. I go > for her explanation. She seems to know herself pretty well. Chain thinking > is probably a lot worse for the health but you'd never hear a medical man > say that. > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Gary Hanick wrote: > >> Admittedly not the best habit in the world....but there are people who >> smoke all their lives and live to 100; and people who don't and pass on >> at 20. It's the luck of the draw, genes, the will of fate, Spirit, >> whatever you want to call it....people are going to stick around as long >> as they are supposed to, no matter what they do "between the forceps and >> the stone". >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dave Blackburn [mailto:beatntrack@sbcglobal.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 9:26 AM >> To: Gary Hanick >> Cc: joni@smoe.org >> Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #198 >> >> Well, apart from the lifelong chain smoking... >> >> On Feb 15, 2012, at 8:19 AM, Gary Hanick wrote: >> >>> She had the wisdom to >>> realize that her life was more valuable than how many records she >> sold. - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:23:53 -0500 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: times up, sjc And I agree also, Catherine. Yet smoking does feel good and does tend to put you at ease. . . and I do understand what she means by "grounding" you. It relaxes you. It puts you in a place. But It is also quite the dumb thing to do to our earthly bodies. It is very abusive. I love to smoke! If I ever get to heaven I want to smoke there. heh heh Love to all. Marianne Catherine wrote: I have to agree with this. And, at the risk of being flamed, I really think Joni is full of doodoo when it comes to her defence of her smoking. I really don't think that native practice of using tobacco to ground herself, - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:50:55 +0000 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Dory Previn NJC The Lady With The Braid captures exactly the difficulties of over attachment and the rage when there is a lack of separation. A heartbreaker, for sure, Azeem, and a totally brilliant analysis of a Mother/Daughter dynamic. It's also quite a shocker in the middle. Towards the end of my Mother's life when things were very difficult, I found myself singing and playing the Lady With The Braid quite a lot. It was very releasing and I tried not to punish myself too much for the glee with which I joined in and loudly sang the middle section. So much Love, so much Rage. Anita x > I've read Bogtrotter too, Anita, a most singular work! > > And if anyone has never heard Dory, please seek out The Lady With The > Braid, one of the greatest songs ever written, and a true heartbreaker. > > Azeem in London > > Sent from my iPhone - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:53:15 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Find the typo... C&S or S&M? http://tinyurl.com/899veps Bob NP: Drive-By Truckers, "Life In The Factory" - - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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MORRIS > Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:06:41 -0500 > From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #214 > > > JMDL Digest Wednesday, February 15 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 214 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #212 ["Gary Hanick" ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:49:47 -0800 > From: "Gary Hanick" > Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #212 > > No, I think Joni's earlier singing voice was not the same. There's a big > difference between infusing words with deep feelings; versus the high > drama, sometimes over-wrought, > belt-it-so-the-people-at-the-top-of-the-bleechers-can-hear-it singing of > people like Mariah, even Barbra Streisand. > > > > - -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni-digest@smoe.org] > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 12:39 PM > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #212 > > > JMDL Digest Wednesday, February 15 2012 Volume 2012 : Number > 212 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > - -------- > Melisma [William Waddell > ] > > - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:37:52 +0000 > From: William Waddell > Subject: Melisma > > Is this not what Joni was doing in her earlier work, or am I > misunderstanding > it completely? > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17039208 > WtSx > > - ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2012 #212 > ***************************** > > - ------- > To post messages to the list, send tojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > - ------- > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2012 #214 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, send tojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:27:00 -0800 From: "Gary Hanick" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #198 Yes, Joni is a world-class smoker. It seems like she's smoking in every image and video that get released. To each her own..... ________________________________ From: gerard mclaughlin [mailto:daligay@googlemail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 12:32 PM To: Gary Hanick Cc: Happy The Man; Dave Blackburn; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #198 You might hear a medical woman alcoholic talk about it. :-)) haha. maybe a medical man alcoholic for that matter too ! I stick with the grounding theory. Many say it also lowered her vocal register but Joni says the smoking had nothing to do with that either. Blames it on the rock chick years belting it out over a band. Either she is in complete denial or is very sure about things here. Again I stick with her position on it. Two doctors I know say there should be stronger health warnings on butter wrappers than on cigarette packets. Having seen the state of smokers in death compared to butter eaters ( lol !) they both chose fags over dairy. Mind you they are both of them alcoholic medical men of that I'm in no doubt though they'd both be intellectually scandalised at the idea ! Each to their own. I like butter and fags,,,fags as in cigarettes although I'm not immune to the other type...I believe that's an american expression... being one myself . Long live smoking Joni. A good ambassador for puffers worldwide. Bjork. Prayer of the Heart. John Taverner. On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Gary Hanick wrote: Yep, sounds reasonable to me ________________________________ From: Happy The Man [mailto:cactustreemotel@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 7:47 AM To: gerard mclaughlin; Gary Hanick Cc: Dave Blackburn; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #198 My grandparents smoked from their 30's till their early 60's only quitting when they couldn't afford to smoke and retire they lived another 35 years and ate sparingly. My dad their son smoked from 20's and died of lung cancer at 52. It's all a crapshoot but I like the non-smoking chances. Sent from my Kindle Fire ________________________________ From: gerard mclaughlin Sent: Thu Feb 16 04:33:42 CST 2012 To: Gary Hanick Cc: Dave Blackburn , joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #198 Joni insists smoking is good for her does she not ? Says it's a grounding herb and that some medicine man had told her that her skin was so thin her being being a sensitive and all that smoking would help ground her. I go for her explanation. She seems to know herself pretty well. Chain thinking is probably a lot worse for the health but you'd never hear a medical man say that. On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Gary Hanick wrote: > Admittedly not the best habit in the world....but there are people who > smoke all their lives and live to 100; and people who don't and pass on > at 20. It's the luck of the draw, genes, the will of fate, Spirit, > whatever you want to call it....people are going to stick around as long > as they are supposed to, no matter what they do "between the forceps and > the stone". > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Blackburn [mailto:beatntrack@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 9:26 AM > To: Gary Hanick > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #198 > > Well, apart from the lifelong chain smoking... > > On Feb 15, 2012, at 8:19 AM, Gary Hanick wrote: > > > She had the wisdom to > > realize that her life was more valuable than how many records she > sold. - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:31:49 +0000 From: gerard mclaughlin Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #198 You might hear a medical woman alcoholic talk about it. :-)) haha. maybe a medical man alcoholic for that matter too ! I stick with the grounding theory. Many say it also lowered her vocal register but Joni says the smoking had nothing to do with that either. Blames it on the rock chick years belting it out over a band. Either she is in complete denial or is very sure about things here. Again I stick with her position on it. Two doctors I know say there should be stronger health warnings on butter wrappers than on cigarette packets. Having seen the state of smokers in death compared to butter eaters ( lol !) they both chose fags over dairy. Mind you they are both of them alcoholic medical men of that I'm in no doubt though they'd both be intellectually scandalised at the idea ! Each to their own. I like butter and fags,,,fags as in cigarettes although I'm not immune to the other type...I believe that's an american expression... being one myself . Long live smoking Joni. A good ambassador for puffers worldwide. Bjork. Prayer of the Heart. John Taverner. On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Gary Hanick wrote: > Yep, sounds reasonable to me > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Happy The Man [mailto:cactustreemotel@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 7:47 AM > To: gerard mclaughlin; Gary Hanick > Cc: Dave Blackburn; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #198 > > > > My grandparents smoked from their 30's till their early 60's only > quitting when they couldn't afford to smoke and retire they lived > another 35 years and ate sparingly. My dad their son smoked from 20's > and died of lung cancer at 52. It's all a crapshoot but I like the > non-smoking chances. > > Sent from my Kindle Fire > > ________________________________ > > From: gerard mclaughlin > Sent: Thu Feb 16 04:33:42 CST 2012 > To: Gary Hanick > Cc: Dave Blackburn , joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #198 > > > > > > Joni insists smoking is good for her does she not ? Says it's a > grounding > > herb and that some medicine man had told her that her skin was so thin > her > > being being a sensitive and all that smoking would help ground her. I go > > for her explanation. She seems to know herself pretty well. Chain > thinking > > is probably a lot worse for the health but you'd never hear a medical > man > > say that. > > > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Gary Hanick > wrote: > > > > > Admittedly not the best habit in the world....but there are people who > > > smoke all their lives and live to 100; and people who don't and pass > on > > > at 20. It's the luck of the draw, genes, the will of fate, Spirit, > > > whatever you want to call it....people are going to stick around as > long > > > as they are supposed to, no matter what they do "between the forceps > and > > > the stone". > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Dave Blackburn [mailto:beatntrack@sbcglobal.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 9:26 AM > > > To: Gary Hanick > > > Cc: joni@smoe.org > > > Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #198 > > > > > > Well, apart from the lifelong chain smoking... > > > > > > On Feb 15, 2012, at 8:19 AM, Gary Hanick wrote: > > > > > > > She had the wisdom to > > > > realize that her life was more valuable than how many records she > > > sold. - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:18:33 -0500 From: donald.barthel@kodak.com Subject: Sire of Sorrow Video Sorry if you've seen this already! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4ZgXPn4BkQ Donald R. Barthel FPEG RFS FORMULATION Formulation Technician 585-477-7110 x77110 - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:46:47 -0600 From: Happy The Man Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #198 My grandparents smoked from their 30's till their early 60's only quitting when they couldn't afford to smoke and retire they lived another 35 years and ate sparingly. My dad their son smoked from 20's and died of lung cancer at 52. It's all a crapshoot but I like the non-smoking chances. Sent from my Kindle Fire _____________________________________________ From: gerard mclaughlin Sent: Thu Feb 16 04:33:42 CST 2012 To: Gary Hanick Cc: Dave Blackburn , joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #198 Joni insists smoking is good for her does she not ? Says it's a grounding herb and that some medicine man had told her that her skin was so thin her being being a sensitive and all that smoking would help ground her. I go for her explanation. She seems to know herself pretty well. Chain thinking is probably a lot worse for the health but you'd never hear a medical man say that. On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Gary Hanick wrote: > Admittedly not the best habit in the world....but there are people who > smoke all their lives and live to 100; and people who don't and pass on > at 20. It's the luck of the draw, genes, the will of fate, Spirit, > whatever you want to call it....people are going to stick around as long > as they are supposed to, no matter what they do "between the forceps and > the stone". > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Blackburn [mailto:beatntrack@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 9:26 AM > To: Gary Hanick > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #198 > > Well, apart from the lifelong chain smoking... > > On Feb 15, 2012, at 8:19 AM, Gary Hanick wrote: > > > She had the wisdom to > > realize that her life was more valuable than how many records she > sold. - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:19:14 -0800 From: "Gary Hanick" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #198 Yep, sounds reasonable to me ________________________________ From: Happy The Man [mailto:cactustreemotel@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 7:47 AM To: gerard mclaughlin; Gary Hanick Cc: Dave Blackburn; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #198 My grandparents smoked from their 30's till their early 60's only quitting when they couldn't afford to smoke and retire they lived another 35 years and ate sparingly. My dad their son smoked from 20's and died of lung cancer at 52. It's all a crapshoot but I like the non-smoking chances. Sent from my Kindle Fire ________________________________ From: gerard mclaughlin Sent: Thu Feb 16 04:33:42 CST 2012 To: Gary Hanick Cc: Dave Blackburn , joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #198 Joni insists smoking is good for her does she not ? Says it's a grounding herb and that some medicine man had told her that her skin was so thin her being being a sensitive and all that smoking would help ground her. I go for her explanation. She seems to know herself pretty well. Chain thinking is probably a lot worse for the health but you'd never hear a medical man say that. On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Gary Hanick wrote: > Admittedly not the best habit in the world....but there are people who > smoke all their lives and live to 100; and people who don't and pass on > at 20. It's the luck of the draw, genes, the will of fate, Spirit, > whatever you want to call it....people are going to stick around as long > as they are supposed to, no matter what they do "between the forceps and > the stone". > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Blackburn [mailto:beatntrack@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 9:26 AM > To: Gary Hanick > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #198 > > Well, apart from the lifelong chain smoking... > > On Feb 15, 2012, at 8:19 AM, Gary Hanick wrote: > > > She had the wisdom to > > realize that her life was more valuable than how many records she > sold. - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:20:21 -0800 From: "kbhla" Subject: RE: Time's Up (sjc) Bob wrote: "With regard to heart attacks, genetics is the LARGEST factor in their cause. By the same token, if you have good genes and allow things like blood pressure, cholesterol, weight, to go out of control those good genes will only help you so much in terms of heading off a heart attack." Absolutely true. One can be in excellent health overall and still have these issues. It is so important to try to manage them. It really can be done in steady baby steps and is so worthwhile to do so. Stress is another factor that can completely mess you up and affect you physiologically. My former profession basically employed and paid me to endure constant stress. My doctor would always tell me to just quit - but I couldn't - daily mega vitamins and music got me through ;-) "I'm glad that Joni has good genes from both sides and also glad to see her looking so healthy in the latest pictures we've seen of her. However, it's an important distinction to note that she's healthy IN SPITE OF her smoking and not BECAUSE OF it." Yes she is. There is also a whole body of research that says being involved in creative pursuits, especially music, is a miraculaous health tonic. Kakki - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2012 #228 ***************************** - ------- To post messages to the list, send tojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2012 #229 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send tojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------