From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #1863 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, December 22 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 1863 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- My thanks to you Gay - The Girl from the North Country [Mick Kelly ] RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #428 [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: I Think I Understand ["Mark" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #428 [Catherine McKay ] Mark nuptials NJC [Sally ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 23:25:14 +0000 From: Mick Kelly Subject: My thanks to you Gay - The Girl from the North Country Youtube really is a miracle worker. I had not come across this before http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1QO0jQ0PB0 . Now I have all these lovely goosebumps. Thank you Gay. Mick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:45:17 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Jonifest pics I second to none that! Many happy returns! Let me know if there is anything in particular you could not find and I will search my personal archives. best Paz On Dec 20, 2012, at 3:43 AM, Anita wrote: Happy Anniversary, Pat Anita x On 20 Dec 2012, at 08:47, "Pat Boland" wrote: > I second that Anita, thank you all for the links and suggestions! I was > able to find most of the pics I was looking for largely thanks to Paz and > Ashara. Just to let you know, I was really looking to find the photo > record of the very first Jonifests as today (or rather the day of my > original request) marks the anniversary of my first post to the list way > back in '98. Yay! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> Thanks for these links. It is just wonderful to realise that you do get >> better looking as you age, >> >> Anita x >> >> >> >> On 17 Dec 2012, at 21:23, Dave Blackburn wrote: >> >>> And here are all my pics from Holycombe 2008C"b,B& >>> >>> https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1679406316354.2092419.1573419652&ty pe=1&l=ac85c435ce >>> >>> >>> >>> On Dec 17, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Moni Kellermann wrote: >>> >>>> Photos from the 2000 to 2008 Jonifests are here: >>>> >>>> http://www.hatstand.org/gallery/v/JoniMitchell/ >>>> >>>> >>>> moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:17:19 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #428 I am also in the camp of hoping that a great actress plays Joni and not just someone who might look like her and sings too. I think part of the problem with the Girls Like Us movie is they are looking for younger actresses, and although Gwyneth looks great, she is still pushing 40. Same thing with Cate Blanchett who I think would be a great Joni (she's already played Dylan!). :-) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: Reimers, Gay [mailto:gay.reimers@simplot.com] Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 12:06 PM To: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #428 The cd I found is from 1969-1971 so you are right on Sue. I purchased this for the Joni track but there's a number of good performances on it. Kris Kristofferson, James Taylor etc. The same time I got the Cash cd I picked up a Taylor Swift CD. As for her portraying Joni in the Girls Like Us well maybe but I think Gwyneth would be a better choice. More of the sensibility, depth and acting chops needed to portray Joni. - -----Original Message----- From: Susan Tierney McNamara [mailto:sem8@cornell.edu] Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 8:20 AM To: Reimers, Gay; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #428 I love these appearances. They also sang Long Black Veil and I Still Miss Someone ... all great songs ... plus Joni performed Both Sides Now and the Gallery by herself. Bob Dylan also appeared on the same episode. Amazing!! I see that Joni appeared on the Johnny Cash show three times according to Simon's chronology. I'm not sure which date she sang Girl From The North Country, but they were all in 1969 and 1970. If you search youtube for Joni Mitchell and Johnny Cash, all the videos come up. Nice. Thanks for de-lurking Gay!! :-) Sue Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Reimers, Gay Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 10:27 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #428 I haven't ever posted on the list but have been lurking for years. I know this has been discussed before but I happened to find a copy of The Best of The Johnny Cash TV Show. My early Christmas present was hearing Joni singing The Girl from The North Country with Cash. Perhaps it's because I know her music so deeply that this little gem blew me away. Maybe it's because Joni didn't write it that it hit me differently...whatever it is it was a great little moment tucked in an otherwise busy hectic day. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org] Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 12:00 AM To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #428 onlyJMDL Digest Friday, December 21 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 428 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- RE: I Think I Understand [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Gwyneth as Joni [Lindsay Moon ] RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #1855 [Mary Morris ] Re: I think i understand [Anita G ] Re: Gwyneth as Joni [Sally ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:45:33 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: I Think I Understand As I work through the Clouds album for my instructional videos, I really look forward to doing this song. It's actually in simple drop D - DADGAE. Her finger picking is really masterful, because she makes it sound simple. I, on the other hand, will have to practice for months and probably still fail ... fear is like a wilderland!!! The lyrics are a deep meditation on fear and courage ... the visuals are so crisp ... I love the beginning of the second verse: Now the way leads through the hills Above the steeples chime Below me sleepy rooftops round the harbor It's there I'll take my thirsty fill Of friendship over wine Forgetting fear but never Disregarding her ... It's so interesting you compare Clouds to TI, Bob. I never thought of that, but some of the very deep honesty of fear and courage can be seen in songs like Sunny Sunday, Last Chance Lost and Sire of Sorrow. Excellent point!!! :-) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 8:09 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: I Think I Understand Just heard this song, and as always it stopped me in my activities and FORCED me to hear it. I think much, if not all of Clouds does that for me. Perhaps it's the sparse production, and maybe that's the same reason that TI has the same effect. I can't help but hear THE WORDS because the accompanying sounds are so scant they serve only to support them and not as a distraction of any kind. Anyway, back this song...I'm just blown away by the title of it - I THINK I understand...as simple a phrase as it is, it's one you seldom hear. We say "I understand" a lot as well as "I think I KNOW", but this middle groud of "I think I understand" is fascinating to me, and of course like so much of Joni, brutally honest. Can we REALLY know? Can we TRULY understand, or is the most honest thing to say exactly what Joni is saying here? Besides the beautiful melody (sounds like the same guitar tuning for Midway and a similar intro), the words are very affirming. There are some days for me that start with me taking a big deep breath and saying to myself "today I am not prey to dark uncertainty". As an aside, I'm amazed that this song has not been covered more than it has been. As popular as this album was and remains, and coupled with the fact that the VAST majority of artists choose songs from 1968-1972 to do, it gets overlooked, I guess because there is such wealth to pick from. Hope all of my Joni friends have a great day today - if you have shadows to face, may you rob their blackness blind and have a bold taste of sunlight instead. Bob - - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - - ------------------------------------------------------------ - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:25:53 -0800 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Gwyneth as Joni I happened upon a 2003 movie "Sylvia" with Gwyneth Paltrow as Sylvia Plath and am struck with how much she resembles Joni. She even has her longer version hair in little knots at the tops of her ears like I've seen Joni back in the day. And I think Gwyneth has that sort of plain and lovely face that Joni has without makeup. I'd recommend it, although I do cringe every time she goes near an oven  Daniel Craig as her husband, poet Ted Hughes. Before Craig was such big stuff. Lindsay - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 22:38:17 -0800 From: Mary Morris Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #1855 Absolutely spot on choice. I think Gwyneth has the chops to give the Joni bio some depth. Do you have a drop on the casting director ? I think Joni, if she would approve anything, which she wouldn't, certainly would not approve of Taylor Swift, who is trying so hard to climb the musical ladder of Tinsel Town. Taylor doesn't really need Joni's help. Someone with gravitas would be suitable. I vote for Gwyneth & I'm sorry I didn't think of her before. GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS > Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 00:16:22 -0500 > From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #1855 > > > JMDL Digest Friday, December 21 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 1855 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: Gwyneth as Joni [Gerald Kent ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 00:14:56 -0500 > From: Gerald Kent > Subject: Re: Gwyneth as Joni > > It's about acting, not looking alike! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 20, 2012, at 10:25 PM, Lindsay Moon wrote: > > > I happened upon a 2003 movie "Sylvia" with Gwyneth Paltrow as Sylvia > > Plath and am struck with how much she resembles Joni. She even has her longer version hair in little knots at the tops of her ears like I've seen Joni back in the day. And I think Gwyneth has that sort of plain and lovely face that Joni has without makeup. I'd recommend it, although I do cringe every time she goes near an oven  > > > > Daniel Craig as her husband, poet Ted Hughes. Before Craig was such > > big stuff. > > > > Lindsay > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2012 #1855 > ****************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:01:08 +0000 From: Anita G Subject: Re: I think i understand It's so lovely to read such kind things about me singing 'I think I understand'. That song is so significant for me. As someone who has spent so much of their life trying to combat fear, (Death), I find the wonderful thing about the process of singing this extraordinary song lies, for me, toward the end where, having travelled through the song, we reach the lines: "Where forests rise to block the light that keeps a traveller sane. I'll challenge them with flashes from a brighter time" When I sing it to others, I look around and see the faces of good people. In that moment, I don't feel so alone. The dark forest is challenged. I am suddenly present in a brighter time. Thank you Bob, Catherine and every one I've had the personal healing of being granted the opportunity to sing it with you, Love Anita On 20/12/2012, Bob.Muller@fluor.com wrote: > Catherine, > > Thanks for your beautiful response - maybe recent events are what made > my listening today that much more intense, even though there are MANY > things I will NEVER understand, let alone think that I do. It seems > like every time I hear this song, it comes at a time when I REALLY need to hear it. > Maybe I should start every day with I Think I Understand as opposed to > War's "All Day Music" which is what usually kicks my workday off. > > And you're right, I can't hear this one without hearing sweet Anita > playing and singing it, as she did in France for me personally. A > moment I'll never forget, until I reach an age or state where I remember nothing. > > Bob > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity > to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, > business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby > notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this > message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact > the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender > and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 01:52:23 -0500 From: Sally Subject: Re: Gwyneth as Joni I've never thought about GP in that role...so much has been made of Taylor Swift. But I do think GP is a wonderful performer. My thoughts turn to Shakespeare in Love, for which she was deservedly lauded. She's got lots of career and life experience to draw on. I dread this movie, but a serious actress might be able to give it the weight it deserves. Good thoughts, Lindsay! Sent from Confunction Junction on my iPhone On Dec 21, 2012, at 1:30 AM, Lindsay Moon wrote: > Gerald, I'm not sure what to think of your response. I thought it was condescending, frankly. > > GP did a very good job in that movie and I think she's a very good actress who would do justice to the role and can sing. > > Lindsay > On Dec 20, 2012, at 9:14 PM, Gerald Kent wrote: > >> It's about acting, not looking alike! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 20, 2012, at 10:25 PM, Lindsay Moon wrote: >> >>> I happened upon a 2003 movie "Sylvia" with Gwyneth Paltrow as Sylvia >>> Plath and am struck with how much she resembles Joni. She even has >>> her longer version hair in little knots at the tops of her ears like >>> I've seen Joni back in the day. And I think Gwyneth has that sort >>> of plain and lovely face that Joni has without makeup. I'd >>> recommend it, although I do cringe every time she goes near an oven >>>  >>> >>> Daniel Craig as her husband, poet Ted Hughes. Before Craig was such big stuff. >>> >>> Lindsay - ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #428 ********************************* - ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 18:55:58 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: I Think I Understand It's been great to see all of the traffic on the list and really great to see some people de-lurking. I hope to read more from all of you, as the mood strikes you, of course. There have been so many wonderful posts about 'I Think I Understand'. Unfortunately I have not had the good fortune of hearing Anita sing this song, or any other song for that matter. My loss. :-( Bobsart mentioned depression in relation to this song. For me, it is more my anxiety that it speaks too. Singing it to myself is often very comforting when I have tipped over the edge into imagining the worst that could possibly happen. Just about everyone has mentioned that crucial line which I have mistakenly thought for all these years was 'When forest tries to block the light'. Funny how misheard lyrics can stick in your head. Anyway, one of the things that strikes me about that lyric is the way Joni almost pauses before singing the word 'sane' and gives that word such weight both by the drop in the melody and the drop in the volume of her voice. That light of hope and optimism is often what pulls me back from that prospect of gloom and doom. It helps keep this traveler sane. The Tolkien influence in the song always makes me think of Galadriel's gift to Frodo of the phial of light, the gift that will be a light in the darkness 'when all other lights go out'. Joni continues to be one of those lights for me. On another note, Travis and I are getting married on the 28th, 17 years after we made the decision to live together. It will only be a civil ceremony before a judge, but we are getting *married*! Have a Happy Solstice! Mark in Seattle 'Applause, applause, life is our cause! ' - -----Original Message----- From: Robert Sartorius Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 6:53 AM To: joni@smoe.org ; onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Cc: sem8@cornell.edu ; lawntreader@googlemail.com ; Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: I Think I Understand I suspect I missed the beginnings of this thread, but did see posts from Anita, Bob M and Sue. I have long considered I Think I Understand one of Joni's finest songs. Although I do not suffer from depression now, I probably did somewhat 40 years ago, when I first listened to this song, and it made me shake and weep. I was moved to the bone again in 2003 when Anita performed this song at Jonifest, and felt again in her performance that night the insights that first touched me - and no doubt touched her, too. It is a very, very powerful song. So, today I played Anita's performance, memorialized as part of my Jonifest DVD's from that year, on my Blueray, and recaptured that moment and feeling (I think I saw my head in the audience, standing and applauding at the end). It was a moving way to start this now bright day. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:14:42 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #428 Count me in as a lover of these songs, and a big thank you from me too, Gay, for delurking. It's always nice to hear a new (or an old, but not-heard-from-for-a-while) voice. >________________________________ > From: Susan Tierney McNamara >To: "Reimers, Gay" ; "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 11:20:06 AM >Subject: RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #428 > >I love these appearances. They also sang Long Black Veil and I Still Miss Someone ... all great songs ... plus Joni performed Both Sides Now and the Gallery by herself. Bob Dylan also appeared on the same episode. Amazing!! I see that Joni appeared on the Johnny Cash show three times according to Simon's chronology. I'm not sure which date she sang Girl From The North Country, but they were all in 1969 and 1970. If you search youtube for Joni Mitchell and Johnny Cash, all the videos come up. Nice. > >Thanks for de-lurking Gay!! :-) > >Sue ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 22:36:03 -0500 From: Sally Subject: Mark nuptials NJC On Dec 21, 2012, at 9:55 PM, "Mark" wrote: On another note, Travis and I are getting married on the 28th, 17 years after we made the decision to live together. It will only be a civil ceremony before a judge, but we are getting *married*! > > Have a Happy Solstice! Happy Solstice Mark! And much happiness to you and Travis! 17 years is a major accomplishment! PeaceLove, Sally > > -----Original Message----- From: Robert Sartorius > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 6:53 AM > To: joni@smoe.org ; onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org > Cc: sem8@cornell.edu ; lawntreader@googlemail.com ; Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Subject: RE: I Think I Understand > > I suspect I missed the beginnings of this thread, but did see posts from > Anita, Bob M and Sue. > > I have long considered I Think I Understand one of Joni's finest songs. > Although I do not suffer from depression now, I probably did somewhat 40 > years ago, when I first listened to this song, and it made me shake and > weep. > > I was moved to the bone again in 2003 when Anita performed this song at > Jonifest, and felt again in her performance that night the insights that > first touched me - and no doubt touched her, too. It is a very, very > powerful song. > > So, today I played Anita's performance, memorialized as part of my Jonifest > DVD's from that year, on my Blueray, and recaptured that moment and feeling > (I think I saw my head in the audience, standing and applauding at the end). > > > It was a moving way to start this now bright day. > > Bobsart ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2012 #1863 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------