From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #1778 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, December 11 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 1778 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: album song order, njc [Sally ] Re: how many suscribers really? NJC [Sally ] album song order, njc [Marianne Rizzo ] The Entertainers Interview from 1974 [Les Irvin ] Re: album song order, njc [Em ] Re: The Entertainers Interview from 1974 [Anita ] Re: album song order, njc [Arkay Adkisson ] Re: album song order, njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #1777 [Rozanne Gates ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 17:30:15 -0500 From: Sally Subject: Re: album song order, njc I would ditto what Arkay noted...it's terribly annoying to me to hear the songs rearranged or out of the order that I learned them in...just doesnt feel right! Sent from Confunction Junction on my iPhone On Dec 11, 2012, at 1:59 PM, Arkay Adkisson wrote: > I really abhor the "shuffle" function. My brain is hard wired with the next song, and for some random song to come on instead, it is jarring. > > Arkay Adkisson > Piercedcanvas@gmail.com > > On Dec 11, 2012, at 11:53 AM, "Catherine McKay" wrote: > >> I do use shuffle a lot when I listen on my iPod. However, for at least first listen on any brand new album and for certain classics (including "Hejira" and for Jonatha Brooke's "The works"), I find I need to listen to the whole thing in the order in which it was produced. From what I hear, the young'uns today (kids these days!) don't do albums the way we old folks did. I think they're missing something, but what do I know? >> >> >> >> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Marianne Rizzo >>> To: joni list >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 8:41:46 AM >>> Subject: album song order, njc >>> >>> album song order. . >>> they were mentioning this on npr radio (my favorite ) yesterday >>> >>> so I thought we might want to talk about it. >>> >>> Does newer technology make album song order a drizzling thing of the past? >>> >>> What are your experiences with Album song order? >>> >>> xx >>> Marianne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 08:59:25 -0500 From: Sally Subject: Re: how many suscribers really? NJC Irresistible Sent from Confunction Junction on my iPhone On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:38 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > Yup. > > From: Sally > To: Victor Johnson > Cc: Catherine McKay ; Laurent Olszer ; "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" ; "joni@smoe.org" > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 11:24:38 PM > Subject: Re: how many suscribers really? NJC > > Good one Victor! Or should I have kept it to, "LOL"?! :D > > Sent from Confunction Junction on my iPhone > > On Dec 10, 2012, at 11:15 PM, Victor Johnson wrote: > > > POTATO! > > > > On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Sally wrote: > > > >> Hmmmm...maybe we should all start posting one word commentary just to stir things up a bit ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 08:41:46 -0500 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: album song order, njc album song order. . they were mentioning this on npr radio (my favorite ) yesterday so I thought we might want to talk about it. Does newer technology make album song order a drizzling thing of the past? What are your experiences with Album song order? xx Marianne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:23:07 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: The Entertainers Interview from 1974 Major Joni interview from 1974 just added to the site: http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2542 Thanks to the incomparable Lindsay Moon for the transcription! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 10:30:53 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: album song order, njc I've wondered about that. I still read the charts on the last page or so of Rolling Stone, and I actually wondered about whether or not, with the vast number of songs and artists floating around, the kids/young 'uns know and obsess over the identities of performers of the tunes they like. Whereas in the dinosaur days we had so relatively few choices that every album and song was to be studied and learned in the liner notes - you knew who wrote it, maybe who played keyboards, maybe the producer etc. Although I guess the identity of "producers" is a huge thing now. Now, some of the songs are actually by the producer? like that Skrillex dude, and there's another one I can't remember his name now. But the names are all over the place in RS, as the artist. But really they are the mixer ________________________________ From: Dave Blackburn To: Catherine McKay Cc: Marianne Rizzo ; joni list Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 1:04 PM Subject: Re: album song order, njc When you are making records the song order sure seems important, as you often have this grand scheme of a narrative arc, or getting tempos and keys meshing just right; but in the end I think most of us only have time to listen to a track or two before we are distracted by something. As for the young 'uns I'm not sure they have ever listened to an album from start to finish. My students don't even bother to find out the name of the artist who does the song they like, and them getting the whole album is never even considered. Notice I say gettingbuying would also be highly irregular. It's funny to ask them "who's your favorite singer/guitarist/songwriter?" They have never even thought about it, but to save face usually say something like "oh, I like everything." Dave On Dec 11, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > I do use shuffle a lot when I listen on my iPod. However, for at least first listen on any brand new album and for certain classics (including "Hejira" and for Jonatha Brooke's "The works"), I find I need to listen to the whole thing in the order in which it was produced. From what I hear, the young'uns today (kids these days!) don't do albums the way we old folks did. I think they're missing something, but what do I know? > > > > >> ________________________________ >> From: Marianne Rizzo >> To: joni list >> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 8:41:46 AM >> Subject: album song order, njc >> >> album song order. . >> they were mentioning this on npr radio (my favorite ) yesterday >> >> so I thought we might want to talk about it. >> >> Does newer technology make album song order a drizzling thing of the past? >> >> What are your experiences with Album song order? >> >> xx >> Marianne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 19:28:18 +0000 From: Anita Subject: Re: The Entertainers Interview from 1974 Goodness gracious what an interview and thanks to Lindsay. Must have taken hours. Anita x On 11 Dec 2012, at 18:23, Les Irvin wrote: > Major Joni interview from 1974 just added to the site: > http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2542 > Thanks to the incomparable Lindsay Moon for the transcription! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 09:45:11 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: album song order, njc I do use shuffle a lot when I listen on my iPod. However, for at least first listen on any brand new album and for certain classics (including "Hejira" and for Jonatha Brooke's "The works"), I find I need to listen to the whole thing in the order in which it was produced. From what I hear, the young'uns today (kids these days!) don't do albums the way we old folks did. I think they're missing something, but what do I know? >________________________________ > From: Marianne Rizzo >To: joni list >Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 8:41:46 AM >Subject: album song order, njc > >album song order. . >they were mentioning this on npr radio (my favorite ) yesterday > >so I thought we might want to talk about it. > >Does newer technology make album song order a drizzling thing of the past? > >What are your experiences with Album song order? > >xx >Marianne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 12:59:50 -0600 From: Arkay Adkisson Subject: Re: album song order, njc I really abhor the "shuffle" function. My brain is hard wired with the next song, and for some random song to come on instead, it is jarring. Arkay Adkisson Piercedcanvas@gmail.com On Dec 11, 2012, at 11:53 AM, "Catherine McKay" wrote: > I do use shuffle a lot when I listen on my iPod. However, for at least first listen on any brand new album and for certain classics (including "Hejira" and for Jonatha Brooke's "The works"), I find I need to listen to the whole thing in the order in which it was produced. From what I hear, the young'uns today (kids these days!) don't do albums the way we old folks did. I think they're missing something, but what do I know? > > > > >> ________________________________ >> From: Marianne Rizzo >> To: joni list >> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 8:41:46 AM >> Subject: album song order, njc >> >> album song order. . >> they were mentioning this on npr radio (my favorite ) yesterday >> >> so I thought we might want to talk about it. >> >> Does newer technology make album song order a drizzling thing of the past? >> >> What are your experiences with Album song order? >> >> xx >> Marianne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 16:01:24 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: album song order, njc Well, Dave, you're right. I know that I, for one, do have a short attention span, especially as I get ever older. As some of us have mentioned here, it used to be that opening and listening to an album, especially the first time, was a quasi-religious experience, and that it had to be paid attention to. I don't know how much of my inability to do that now is a function of aging and how much is just the stupid, weird times we live in where we're constantly being bombarded with information and where stupid information (celebrity news, for example) is given as much, if not more, attention as serious news (wars, the economy and all that depressing stuff), not to mention stuff we have to deal with when the internet is down and we're trying to fix it. And then, at the risk of increasing my old-fogey factor ever higher, a lot of the stuff they play on the radio these days, that they're selling to kids, freakin' sounds the same, especially with the use of autotune and synth-drums (jeez, I hate synth-drums!) and those stupid beats and synth finger-snaps. I think of a TV show like "Glee" where I swear to god, all of those kids sound exactly alike and, if I closed my eyes, I would have no idea which one was singing. So, it doesn't surprise me a lot that your students might not have a clue who they like, because they can't differentiate one from another. Of course, that's not all completely true. My kids do listen to entire albums of things, but they're less inclined to listen to Top 40 stuff, even if some of what they listen to is pretty commercial. My daughter likes John Mayer and my son likes a lot of indie stuff, but he also likes the Beatles and Jimi Hendrix and so on. And i know my kids aren't the only ones. >________________________________ > From: Dave Blackburn >To: Catherine McKay >Cc: Marianne Rizzo ; joni list >Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 1:04:03 PM >Subject: Re: album song order, njc > >When you are making records the song order sure seems important, as you often have this grand scheme of a narrative arc, or getting tempos and keys meshing just right; but in the end I think most of us only have time to listen to a track or two before we are distracted by something. As for the young 'uns I'm not sure they have ever listened to an album from start to finish. My students don't even bother to find out the name of the artist who does the song they like, and them getting the whole album is never even considered. Notice I say gettingbuying would also be highly irregular. > >It's funny to ask them "who's your favorite singer/guitarist/songwriter?" They have never even thought about it, but to save face usually say something like "oh, I like everything." > >Dave > > >On Dec 11, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > >> I do use shuffle a lot when I listen on my iPod. However, for at least first listen on any brand new album and for certain classics (including "Hejira" and for Jonatha Brooke's "The works"), I find I need to listen to the whole thing in the order in which it was produced. From what I hear, the young'uns today (kids these days!) don't do albums the way we old folks did. I think they're missing something, but what do I know? >> >> >> >> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Marianne Rizzo >>> To: joni list >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 8:41:46 AM >>> Subject: album song order, njc >>> >>> album song order. . >>> they were mentioning this on npr radio (my favorite ) yesterday >>> >>> so I thought we might want to talk about it. >>> >>> Does newer technology make album song order a drizzling thing of the past? >>> >>> What are your experiences with Album song order? >>> >>> xx >>> Marianne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 22:27:09 -0500 From: Rozanne Gates Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #1777 For the newest (and the best) tribute CD to Joni (and Leonard Cohen), Suzanne Sheridan wants to share this with all of you: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/suzannesheridanmusic/from/viglink In love with Joni, Rozanne Gates on 12/11/12 7:46 AM, JMDL Digest at owner-joni-digest@smoe.org wrote: > > JMDL Digest Tuesday, December 11 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 1777 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > The River on Danish TV [Joe Jones ] > Re: One word [Anita ] > Re: how many suscribers really? NJC [Catherine McKay Re: One word [Catherine McKay ] > Re: how many subscribers really? NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] > Re: One word [Catherine McKay ] > songs against drilling, njc [Marianne Rizzo ] > Re: how many suscribers really? NJC [Michael Paz Re: how many subscribers really? NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #417 [Victor Johnson ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 09:31:45 +0000 > From: Joe Jones > Subject: The River on Danish TV > > Hi, greetings from a subscriber that posts rarely. Thanks for the link. > > The River is at 14 minutes in the video. The link takes you to the start of > the show. > > http://www.dr.dk/TV/se/drs-store-juleshow/drs-store-juleshow-del-1#!/14:00 > > Cheers and Merry Xmas, > > Joe > > np - A&E - Graham Coxon. > > > > On 11 December 2012 08:00, onlyJMDL Digest > wrote: > >> onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, December 11 2012 Volume 2012 : Number >> 418 >> >> >> >> ========== >> >> TOPICS and authors in this Digest: >> -------- >> how many suscribers really? ["Laurent Olszer" < >> olszer@xlsecurity.com>] >> Re: how many suscribers really? >> [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] >> A Christmas song ["Laurent Olszer" < >> olszer@xlsecurity.com>] >> Re: how many suscribers really? [Corey Blake < >> coreyblake@gmail.com>] >> how many subscribers really? ["Jim L'Hommedieu" >> > SJC My play [Jamie Zubairi Home < >> jamiezubairi@gmail.com>] >> how many suscribers really? ["Laurent Olszer" < >> olszer@xlsecurity.com>] >> Re: One word ["Mark" < >> mark.travis@frontier.com>] >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 21:12:00 +0100 >> From: "Laurent Olszer" >> Subject: how many suscribers really? >> >> On Dec 7, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Laurent Olszer wrote: >>> When i upload a music dvd that took time and effort to make, all i >> expect is a "thank you" and i'd rather please 5 grateful people than 500 >> ungrateful ones. >>> Some friends put up a lot of stuff on youtube, all they're after is the >> largest possible audience and they don't care how many thanks they get, if >> any. Their logic i guess is that people thank you by downloading >> orwatching, personally i don't get it. >>> Any comments? >>> Laurent >> >> Paul replied >> I think Anita put it about as nicely as anyone could. As usual, I am less >> tactful. >> If you are doing it for the 'thank yous,' you either are a poor judge of >> human nature or selfishly seeking self-aggrandizement. >> Altruism, baby, altruism. >> >> >> Sorry guys but in addition to being selfish and/or a poor judge i must also >> be dumb because i still don't get it. >> >> Anita wrote i should lower my expectations. How can i lower them if i >> expect >> nothing but basic politeness? I don't really expect flowers, but what >> exactly is the level below my basic expectation? Is there an intermediate >> level or is it a plain 0? >> FYI Right now the ratio of thanks i get is 10-25% and I'm quite happy when >> i >> get 25%. >> >> "Poor judge of human nature" >> Oh Paul baby, you have no idea how i feel about human nature. I know there >> is the worst out there but also the best. Now, this torrent thing is like a >> large community, not on a youtube scale. So why not expect the best, or >> should i say a minimum, from people who are sensitive to the same music as >> we are? >> Why should i be content to witness that we live in a world of rudeness and >> not try to do anything about it? >> Sometimes i jump on a torrent that has like 50 leechers already and not >> even >> 1 thank you. I feel terrible for the uploader when i see this, and i will >> apologize for the previous 50 ungrateful leechers. This comment often >> sparks >> a flow of thanks as if the next leechers realize that this is not right, >> and >> it shall never be right in my book. >> >> "Selfish self aggrandizement": aside from the fact that we're anonymous >> (with an avatar) on this torrent site, what is wrong with expecting a tiny >> recognition for a job well done or merely appreciation for making the >> effort >> to share? I could spare the hassle and the torrent site would still >> continue >> without me. Yet I'm sharing the music i've captured because i know it will >> make some good people happy and this is my way of thanking them for all the >> music they've shared. >> What's selfish and non altruistic about that? >> >> You're probably going to reply that we should all be total altruists and >> keep giving without receiving motivation. That motivation is in the act of >> giving itself. I confess i'm not anywhere near the level of a Jesus or a >> Ghandi. How do you guys do it? Really i want to understand this giving >> without motivation thing please. >> >> Cheers >> >> Laurent >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 15:43:39 -0500 >> From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com >> Subject: Re: how many suscribers really? >> >> > without motivation thing please.> >> >> Laurent, it should be totally possible to re-calibrate your expectations >> based on historical data. I've been putting these covers downloads out (as >> well as mailing cd's) for over a decade. I do it because I love it and >> know that there are others that do too. It makes me happy to share >> something that others will enjoy, whether they acknowledge it or not. >> >> Every once in a great while we have a little thread that pops up because >> of it, and every once in a great while someone will send me an off-list >> message about it. I know I can count on Jimmy to give me some feedback and >> it's always great to see. >> >> Based on what typically happens historically (30-40 downloads) and how >> much feedback/thanks I get (1-2 people), I would be foolish to expect >> 15-20 people to say thank you or something of the sort. And it's not why I >> do it anyway. >> >> Re-visit the REASONS you share what you do, and adjust your expectations, >> and you should be fine. >> >> Bob >> - ------------------------------------------------------------ >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person >> or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >> proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. >> If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are >> hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, >> distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon >> this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please >> contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. >> >> Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual >> sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. >> - ------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 22:15:44 +0100 >> From: "Laurent Olszer" >> Subject: A Christmas song >> >> Bene wrote: >> Here is a very beautiful rendition of River. I can't say that I >> planned to watch Denmark's Radio's grand Christmas show - I don't like >> these grand productions, but I loved this - a Danish/Icelandic duo, >> Tina Dickow and Helig Jonsson. >> >> Enjoy, and merry Christmas! >> >> www.dr.dk/TV/se/drs-store-juleshow/drs-store-juleshow-del-1#!/14:00 >> >> >> I just love Tina Dico/Dickow, in fact will travel next spring to catch the >> tour. >> Sorry Bob i know you can't stand her. >> >> PS: Bene if you're in Copenhagen this coming friday be sure to go and see >> Daniel Lanois with the "beautiful" Brian Blade. >> >> Laurent >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 12:36:01 -0800 >> From: Corey Blake >> Subject: Re: how many suscribers really? >> >> I've discovered having no expectations at all is the way to go. It's >> almost impossible to achieve such a zen state but it's the best place to be >> instead of wasting time and emotional energy on keeping a tally. >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Dec 10, 2012, at 12:12 PM, "Laurent Olszer" >> wrote: >> >>> On Dec 7, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Laurent Olszer wrote: >>>> When i upload a music dvd that took time and effort to make, all i >>> expect is a "thank you" and i'd rather please 5 grateful people than 500 >>> ungrateful ones. >>>> Some friends put up a lot of stuff on youtube, all they're after is the >>> largest possible audience and they don't care how many thanks they get, >> if >>> any. Their logic i guess is that people thank you by downloading >>> orwatching, personally i don't get it. >>>> Any comments? >>>> Laurent >>> >>> Paul replied >>> I think Anita put it about as nicely as anyone could. As usual, I am >> less >>> tactful. >>> If you are doing it for the 'thank yous,' you either are a poor judge of >>> human nature or selfishly seeking self-aggrandizement. >>> Altruism, baby, altruism. >>> >>> >>> Sorry guys but in addition to being selfish and/or a poor judge i must >> also >>> be dumb because i still don't get it. >>> >>> Anita wrote i should lower my expectations. How can i lower them if i >> expect >>> nothing but basic politeness? I don't really expect flowers, but what >>> exactly is the level below my basic expectation? Is there an intermediate >>> level or is it a plain 0? >>> FYI Right now the ratio of thanks i get is 10-25% and I'm quite happy >> when i >>> get 25%. >>> >>> "Poor judge of human nature" >>> Oh Paul baby, you have no idea how i feel about human nature. I know >> there >>> is the worst out there but also the best. Now, this torrent thing is >> like a >>> large community, not on a youtube scale. So why not expect the best, or >>> should i say a minimum, from people who are sensitive to the same music >> as >>> we are? >>> Why should i be content to witness that we live in a world of rudeness >> and >>> not try to do anything about it? >>> Sometimes i jump on a torrent that has like 50 leechers already and not >> even >>> 1 thank you. I feel terrible for the uploader when i see this, and i will >>> apologize for the previous 50 ungrateful leechers. This comment often >> sparks >>> a flow of thanks as if the next leechers realize that this is not right, >> and >>> it shall never be right in my book. >>> >>> "Selfish self aggrandizement": aside from the fact that we're anonymous >>> (with an avatar) on this torrent site, what is wrong with expecting a >> tiny >>> recognition for a job well done or merely appreciation for making the >> effort >>> to share? I could spare the hassle and the torrent site would still >> continue >>> without me. Yet I'm sharing the music i've captured because i know it >> will >>> make some good people happy and this is my way of thanking them for all >> the >>> music they've shared. >>> What's selfish and non altruistic about that? >>> >>> You're probably going to reply that we should all be total altruists and >>> keep giving without receiving motivation. That motivation is in the act >> of >>> giving itself. I confess i'm not anywhere near the level of a Jesus or a >>> Ghandi. How do you guys do it? Really i want to understand this giving >>> without motivation thing please. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Laurent >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 17:15:48 -0500 >> From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" >> Subject: how many subscribers really? >> >> There's a story in the New Testament that Jesus healed 10 lepers and >> only one came back to thank Him. I take from that two things: 1) people >> forget to say "Thank you" more often than they remember, and 2) we >> should try to remember more often. >> >> Jim L'Hommedieu >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 18:42:23 +0000 >> From: Jamie Zubairi Home >> Subject: SJC My play >> >> If you're in London and haven't yet seen it, my play Unbroken Line has been >> getting great reviews like this >> >> http://www.ayoungertheatre.com/review-unbroken-line-jamie-zubairi/ >> >> And for those of us that will spot it, there are also 2 Joni lines in the >> script. One which gets a laugh. >> >> Jamie Zubairi >> Actor, Painter, Voiceover, Creative >> >> Appearing in Unbroken Line until 15th Dec at Ovalhouse see >> www.ovalhouse.com >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 21:12:00 +0100 >> From: "Laurent Olszer" >> Subject: how many suscribers really? >> >> On Dec 7, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Laurent Olszer wrote: >>> When i upload a music dvd that took time and effort to make, all i >> expect is a "thank you" and i'd rather please 5 grateful people than 500 >> ungrateful ones. >>> Some friends put up a lot of stuff on youtube, all they're after is the >> largest possible audience and they don't care how many thanks they get, if >> any. Their logic i guess is that people thank you by downloading >> orwatching, personally i don't get it. >>> Any comments? >>> Laurent >> >> Paul replied >> I think Anita put it about as nicely as anyone could. As usual, I am less >> tactful. >> If you are doing it for the 'thank yous,' you either are a poor judge of >> human nature or selfishly seeking self-aggrandizement. >> Altruism, baby, altruism. >> >> >> Sorry guys but in addition to being selfish and/or a poor judge i must also >> be dumb because i still don't get it. >> >> Anita wrote i should lower my expectations. How can i lower them if i >> expect >> nothing but basic politeness? I don't really expect flowers, but what >> exactly is the level below my basic expectation? Is there an intermediate >> level or is it a plain 0? >> FYI Right now the ratio of thanks i get is 10-25% and I'm quite happy when >> i >> get 25%. >> >> "Poor judge of human nature" >> Oh Paul baby, you have no idea how i feel about human nature. I know there >> is the worst out there but also the best. Now, this torrent thing is like a >> large community, not on a youtube scale. So why not expect the best, or >> should i say a minimum, from people who are sensitive to the same music as >> we are? >> Why should i be content to witness that we live in a world of rudeness and >> not try to do anything about it? >> Sometimes i jump on a torrent that has like 50 leechers already and not >> even >> 1 thank you. I feel terrible for the uploader when i see this, and i will >> apologize for the previous 50 ungrateful leechers. This comment often >> sparks >> a flow of thanks as if the next leechers realize that this is not right, >> and >> it shall never be right in my book. >> >> "Selfish self aggrandizement": aside from the fact that we're anonymous >> (with an avatar) on this torrent site, what is wrong with expecting a tiny >> recognition for a job well done or merely appreciation for making the >> effort >> to share? I could spare the hassle and the torrent site would still >> continue >> without me. Yet I'm sharing the music i've captured because i know it will >> make some good people happy and this is my way of thanking them for all the >> music they've shared. >> What's selfish and non altruistic about that? >> >> You're probably going to reply that we should all be total altruists and >> keep giving without receiving motivation. That motivation is in the act of >> giving itself. I confess i'm not anywhere near the level of a Jesus or a >> Ghandi. How do you guys do it? Really i want to understand this giving >> without motivation thing please. >> >> Cheers >> >> Laurent >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 21:54:07 -0800 >> From: "Mark" >> Subject: Re: One word >> >> - -----Original Message----- >> From: kenevans kenevans >> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 9:07 PM >> To: joni@smoe.org >> Subject: One word >> >> Notches >> >> Nachos? >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #418 >> ********************************* >> >> ------- >> Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org >> Unsubscribe by clicking here: >> mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe >> > > > > - -- > - -- > Joe Jones > +44 7831 914094 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 09:02:13 +0000 > From: Anita > Subject: Re: One word > > At last,after all these years, you,Mark,have sold the HOSL debate! Joni made > secret trips to Nandos and she really was referring to the 'liberation doll''s > love of Mexican food! > > Thank you, Mark. I can now sleep peacefully and not try and work out the > meaning of that line. > > Anita x > > > > On 11 Dec 2012, at 05:54, "Mark" wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- From: kenevans kenevans Sent: Monday, December 10, >> 2012 9:07 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: One word >> Notches >> Nachos? > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 04:38:47 -0800 (PST) > From: Catherine McKay > Subject: Re: how many suscribers really? NJC > > Yup. > > > >> ________________________________ >> From: Sally >> To: > Victor Johnson >> Cc: Catherine McKay > ; Laurent Olszer ; > "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" ; "joni@smoe.org" >> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 11:24:38 PM >> Subject: Re: how many suscribers > really? NJC >> >> Good one Victor! Or should I have kept it to, "LOL"?! :D >> >> Sent from Confunction Junction on my iPhone >> >> On Dec 10, 2012, at 11:15 PM, > Victor Johnson wrote: >> >>> POTATO! >>> >>> On Mon, > Dec 10, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Sally wrote: >>> >>>> Hmmmm...maybe > we should all start posting one word commentary just to stir things up a bit > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 04:39:28 -0800 (PST) > From: Catherine McKay > Subject: Re: One word > > Excellent! > > > > >> ________________________________ >> From: kenevans kenevans >> To: "joni@smoe.org" >> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 12:07:06 AM >> Subject: One word >> >> Notches > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 06:44:46 -0500 (EST) > From: FMYFL@aol.com > Subject: Re: how many subscribers really? NJC > > Make that 62 Jim. I have the individual emails, plus a different email that > I created in '98 for the digest. I'm just to crazy buzy to write these > days. Plus you can probably add on another 10 jmdlers that are in that big > chair in the sky. > > Jimmy > > In a message dated 12/11/2012 12:32:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, > jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com writes: > >> If you take the 50 people who regularly contribute, and add the 10 >> people who wrote to me off-list, that's still only 60 people. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 04:43:53 -0800 (PST) > From: Catherine McKay > Subject: Re: One word > >> ________________________________ >> From: Mark >> To: kenevans kenevans ; joni@smoe.org >> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 12:54:07 AM >> Subject: Re: One word >> >> -----Original Message----- From: kenevans kenevans Sent: Monday, December 10, >> 2012 9:07 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: One word >> Notches >> Nachos? >> Not just. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 07:10:17 -0500 > From: Marianne Rizzo > Subject: songs against drilling, njc > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg2gAbb0NuE > > > > Here is a little inspiration for you. > Let's stay strong . . . > and Let's stay active. > > ban fracking > > > "we bring more than a paycheck to our loved ones and family" > > pass this on to the governor Andrew Cuomo > > pass this on to our state residents > > NY is too smart for hydrofracking. > > I LOve > NY > Marianne > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 22:25:01 -0600 > From: Michael Paz > Subject: Re: how many suscribers really? NJC > > Patootoo!!!! > > LOLOLOLOLO! > Oh shit thats redundant! > > :Love > Paz (home from the road for a minute) > Heads up New Jersey, New York, Pasadena Cal, Fayetteville Ark, Austin, Dallas > and El Paso Here we come. > > > > > > On Dec 10, 2012, at 10:15 PM, Victor Johnson wrote: > > POTATO! > > On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Sally wrote: > >> Hmmmm...maybe we should all start posting one word commentary just to stir > things up a bit > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 00:26:46 -0500 > From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" > Subject: Re: how many subscribers really? NJC > > If you take the 50 people who regularly contribute, and add the 10 > people who wrote to me off-list, that's still only 60 people. > > The other 740 people cannot be cajoled into writing. What's up with > that? I wonder how many of those are dead accounts that "bounce" but we > don't know it because SMOE is on auto-pilot. > > Jim L'Hommedieu > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 14:52:18 -0500 > From: Victor Johnson > Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #417 > > One could easily say the same about writings from today, point being there > is certainly always more to learn, and much that will make "us" seem > foolish 1000 years from now. > > > > > On Monday, December 10, 2012, wrote: >> >> Sometimes the writings of a 1,000 years ago are wise, but sometimes they >> are foolish and narrow-minded. >> Would you take to heart advice based on a time when people believed the sun >> orbited around a flat Earth? >> Perhaps, but with more than a grain of salt. >> >> Paul > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2012 #1777 > ****************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2012 #1778 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. 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