From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #1777 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, December 11 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 1777 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- The River on Danish TV [Joe Jones ] Re: One word [Anita ] Re: how many suscribers really? NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: how many subscribers really? NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: One word [Catherine McKay ] songs against drilling, njc [Marianne Rizzo ] Re: how many suscribers really? NJC [Michael Paz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 09:31:45 +0000 From: Joe Jones Subject: The River on Danish TV Hi, greetings from a subscriber that posts rarely. Thanks for the link. The River is at 14 minutes in the video. The link takes you to the start of the show. http://www.dr.dk/TV/se/drs-store-juleshow/drs-store-juleshow-del-1#!/14:00 Cheers and Merry Xmas, Joe np - A&E - Graham Coxon. On 11 December 2012 08:00, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, December 11 2012 Volume 2012 : Number > 418 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > how many suscribers really? ["Laurent Olszer" < > olszer@xlsecurity.com>] > Re: how many suscribers really? > [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] > A Christmas song ["Laurent Olszer" < > olszer@xlsecurity.com>] > Re: how many suscribers really? [Corey Blake < > coreyblake@gmail.com>] > how many subscribers really? ["Jim L'Hommedieu" > SJC My play [Jamie Zubairi Home < > jamiezubairi@gmail.com>] > how many suscribers really? ["Laurent Olszer" < > olszer@xlsecurity.com>] > Re: One word ["Mark" < > mark.travis@frontier.com>] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 21:12:00 +0100 > From: "Laurent Olszer" > Subject: how many suscribers really? > > On Dec 7, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Laurent Olszer wrote: > > When i upload a music dvd that took time and effort to make, all i > expect is a "thank you" and i'd rather please 5 grateful people than 500 > ungrateful ones. > > Some friends put up a lot of stuff on youtube, all they're after is the > largest possible audience and they don't care how many thanks they get, if > any. Their logic i guess is that people thank you by downloading > orwatching, personally i don't get it. > > Any comments? > > Laurent > > Paul replied > I think Anita put it about as nicely as anyone could. As usual, I am less > tactful. > If you are doing it for the 'thank yous,' you either are a poor judge of > human nature or selfishly seeking self-aggrandizement. > Altruism, baby, altruism. > > > Sorry guys but in addition to being selfish and/or a poor judge i must also > be dumb because i still don't get it. > > Anita wrote i should lower my expectations. How can i lower them if i > expect > nothing but basic politeness? I don't really expect flowers, but what > exactly is the level below my basic expectation? Is there an intermediate > level or is it a plain 0? > FYI Right now the ratio of thanks i get is 10-25% and I'm quite happy when > i > get 25%. > > "Poor judge of human nature" > Oh Paul baby, you have no idea how i feel about human nature. I know there > is the worst out there but also the best. Now, this torrent thing is like a > large community, not on a youtube scale. So why not expect the best, or > should i say a minimum, from people who are sensitive to the same music as > we are? > Why should i be content to witness that we live in a world of rudeness and > not try to do anything about it? > Sometimes i jump on a torrent that has like 50 leechers already and not > even > 1 thank you. I feel terrible for the uploader when i see this, and i will > apologize for the previous 50 ungrateful leechers. This comment often > sparks > a flow of thanks as if the next leechers realize that this is not right, > and > it shall never be right in my book. > > "Selfish self aggrandizement": aside from the fact that we're anonymous > (with an avatar) on this torrent site, what is wrong with expecting a tiny > recognition for a job well done or merely appreciation for making the > effort > to share? I could spare the hassle and the torrent site would still > continue > without me. Yet I'm sharing the music i've captured because i know it will > make some good people happy and this is my way of thanking them for all the > music they've shared. > What's selfish and non altruistic about that? > > You're probably going to reply that we should all be total altruists and > keep giving without receiving motivation. That motivation is in the act of > giving itself. I confess i'm not anywhere near the level of a Jesus or a > Ghandi. How do you guys do it? Really i want to understand this giving > without motivation thing please. > > Cheers > > Laurent > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 15:43:39 -0500 > From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Subject: Re: how many suscribers really? > > without motivation thing please.> > > Laurent, it should be totally possible to re-calibrate your expectations > based on historical data. I've been putting these covers downloads out (as > well as mailing cd's) for over a decade. I do it because I love it and > know that there are others that do too. It makes me happy to share > something that others will enjoy, whether they acknowledge it or not. > > Every once in a great while we have a little thread that pops up because > of it, and every once in a great while someone will send me an off-list > message about it. I know I can count on Jimmy to give me some feedback and > it's always great to see. > > Based on what typically happens historically (30-40 downloads) and how > much feedback/thanks I get (1-2 people), I would be foolish to expect > 15-20 people to say thank you or something of the sort. And it's not why I > do it anyway. > > Re-visit the REASONS you share what you do, and adjust your expectations, > and you should be fine. > > Bob > - ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > - ------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 22:15:44 +0100 > From: "Laurent Olszer" > Subject: A Christmas song > > Bene wrote: > Here is a very beautiful rendition of River. I can't say that I > planned to watch Denmark's Radio's grand Christmas show - I don't like > these grand productions, but I loved this - a Danish/Icelandic duo, > Tina Dickow and Helig Jonsson. > > Enjoy, and merry Christmas! > > www.dr.dk/TV/se/drs-store-juleshow/drs-store-juleshow-del-1#!/14:00 > > > I just love Tina Dico/Dickow, in fact will travel next spring to catch the > tour. > Sorry Bob i know you can't stand her. > > PS: Bene if you're in Copenhagen this coming friday be sure to go and see > Daniel Lanois with the "beautiful" Brian Blade. > > Laurent > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 12:36:01 -0800 > From: Corey Blake > Subject: Re: how many suscribers really? > > I've discovered having no expectations at all is the way to go. It's > almost impossible to achieve such a zen state but it's the best place to be > instead of wasting time and emotional energy on keeping a tally. > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Dec 10, 2012, at 12:12 PM, "Laurent Olszer" > wrote: > > > On Dec 7, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Laurent Olszer wrote: > >> When i upload a music dvd that took time and effort to make, all i > > expect is a "thank you" and i'd rather please 5 grateful people than 500 > > ungrateful ones. > >> Some friends put up a lot of stuff on youtube, all they're after is the > > largest possible audience and they don't care how many thanks they get, > if > > any. Their logic i guess is that people thank you by downloading > > orwatching, personally i don't get it. > >> Any comments? > >> Laurent > > > > Paul replied > > I think Anita put it about as nicely as anyone could. As usual, I am > less > > tactful. > > If you are doing it for the 'thank yous,' you either are a poor judge of > > human nature or selfishly seeking self-aggrandizement. > > Altruism, baby, altruism. > > > > > > Sorry guys but in addition to being selfish and/or a poor judge i must > also > > be dumb because i still don't get it. > > > > Anita wrote i should lower my expectations. How can i lower them if i > expect > > nothing but basic politeness? I don't really expect flowers, but what > > exactly is the level below my basic expectation? Is there an intermediate > > level or is it a plain 0? > > FYI Right now the ratio of thanks i get is 10-25% and I'm quite happy > when i > > get 25%. > > > > "Poor judge of human nature" > > Oh Paul baby, you have no idea how i feel about human nature. I know > there > > is the worst out there but also the best. Now, this torrent thing is > like a > > large community, not on a youtube scale. So why not expect the best, or > > should i say a minimum, from people who are sensitive to the same music > as > > we are? > > Why should i be content to witness that we live in a world of rudeness > and > > not try to do anything about it? > > Sometimes i jump on a torrent that has like 50 leechers already and not > even > > 1 thank you. I feel terrible for the uploader when i see this, and i will > > apologize for the previous 50 ungrateful leechers. This comment often > sparks > > a flow of thanks as if the next leechers realize that this is not right, > and > > it shall never be right in my book. > > > > "Selfish self aggrandizement": aside from the fact that we're anonymous > > (with an avatar) on this torrent site, what is wrong with expecting a > tiny > > recognition for a job well done or merely appreciation for making the > effort > > to share? I could spare the hassle and the torrent site would still > continue > > without me. Yet I'm sharing the music i've captured because i know it > will > > make some good people happy and this is my way of thanking them for all > the > > music they've shared. > > What's selfish and non altruistic about that? > > > > You're probably going to reply that we should all be total altruists and > > keep giving without receiving motivation. That motivation is in the act > of > > giving itself. I confess i'm not anywhere near the level of a Jesus or a > > Ghandi. How do you guys do it? Really i want to understand this giving > > without motivation thing please. > > > > Cheers > > > > Laurent > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 17:15:48 -0500 > From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" > Subject: how many subscribers really? > > There's a story in the New Testament that Jesus healed 10 lepers and > only one came back to thank Him. I take from that two things: 1) people > forget to say "Thank you" more often than they remember, and 2) we > should try to remember more often. > > Jim L'Hommedieu > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 18:42:23 +0000 > From: Jamie Zubairi Home > Subject: SJC My play > > If you're in London and haven't yet seen it, my play Unbroken Line has been > getting great reviews like this > > http://www.ayoungertheatre.com/review-unbroken-line-jamie-zubairi/ > > And for those of us that will spot it, there are also 2 Joni lines in the > script. One which gets a laugh. > > Jamie Zubairi > Actor, Painter, Voiceover, Creative > > Appearing in Unbroken Line until 15th Dec at Ovalhouse see > www.ovalhouse.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 21:12:00 +0100 > From: "Laurent Olszer" > Subject: how many suscribers really? > > On Dec 7, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Laurent Olszer wrote: > > When i upload a music dvd that took time and effort to make, all i > expect is a "thank you" and i'd rather please 5 grateful people than 500 > ungrateful ones. > > Some friends put up a lot of stuff on youtube, all they're after is the > largest possible audience and they don't care how many thanks they get, if > any. Their logic i guess is that people thank you by downloading > orwatching, personally i don't get it. > > Any comments? > > Laurent > > Paul replied > I think Anita put it about as nicely as anyone could. As usual, I am less > tactful. > If you are doing it for the 'thank yous,' you either are a poor judge of > human nature or selfishly seeking self-aggrandizement. > Altruism, baby, altruism. > > > Sorry guys but in addition to being selfish and/or a poor judge i must also > be dumb because i still don't get it. > > Anita wrote i should lower my expectations. How can i lower them if i > expect > nothing but basic politeness? I don't really expect flowers, but what > exactly is the level below my basic expectation? Is there an intermediate > level or is it a plain 0? > FYI Right now the ratio of thanks i get is 10-25% and I'm quite happy when > i > get 25%. > > "Poor judge of human nature" > Oh Paul baby, you have no idea how i feel about human nature. I know there > is the worst out there but also the best. Now, this torrent thing is like a > large community, not on a youtube scale. So why not expect the best, or > should i say a minimum, from people who are sensitive to the same music as > we are? > Why should i be content to witness that we live in a world of rudeness and > not try to do anything about it? > Sometimes i jump on a torrent that has like 50 leechers already and not > even > 1 thank you. I feel terrible for the uploader when i see this, and i will > apologize for the previous 50 ungrateful leechers. This comment often > sparks > a flow of thanks as if the next leechers realize that this is not right, > and > it shall never be right in my book. > > "Selfish self aggrandizement": aside from the fact that we're anonymous > (with an avatar) on this torrent site, what is wrong with expecting a tiny > recognition for a job well done or merely appreciation for making the > effort > to share? I could spare the hassle and the torrent site would still > continue > without me. Yet I'm sharing the music i've captured because i know it will > make some good people happy and this is my way of thanking them for all the > music they've shared. > What's selfish and non altruistic about that? > > You're probably going to reply that we should all be total altruists and > keep giving without receiving motivation. That motivation is in the act of > giving itself. I confess i'm not anywhere near the level of a Jesus or a > Ghandi. How do you guys do it? Really i want to understand this giving > without motivation thing please. > > Cheers > > Laurent > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 21:54:07 -0800 > From: "Mark" > Subject: Re: One word > > - -----Original Message----- > From: kenevans kenevans > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 9:07 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: One word > > Notches > > Nachos? > > ------------------------------ > > End of onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #418 > ********************************* > > ------- > Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > - -- - -- Joe Jones +44 7831 914094 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 09:02:13 +0000 From: Anita Subject: Re: One word At last,after all these years, you,Mark,have sold the HOSL debate! Joni made secret trips to Nandos and she really was referring to the 'liberation doll''s love of Mexican food! Thank you, Mark. I can now sleep peacefully and not try and work out the meaning of that line. Anita x On 11 Dec 2012, at 05:54, "Mark" wrote: > -----Original Message----- From: kenevans kenevans Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 9:07 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: One word > Notches > Nachos? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 04:38:47 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: how many suscribers really? NJC Yup. >________________________________ > From: Sally >To: Victor Johnson >Cc: Catherine McKay ; Laurent Olszer ; "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" ; "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 11:24:38 PM >Subject: Re: how many suscribers really? NJC > >Good one Victor! Or should I have kept it to, "LOL"?! :D > >Sent from Confunction Junction on my iPhone > >On Dec 10, 2012, at 11:15 PM, Victor Johnson wrote: > >> POTATO! >> >> On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Sally wrote: >> >>> Hmmmm...maybe we should all start posting one word commentary just to stir things up a bit ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 04:39:28 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: One word Excellent! >________________________________ > From: kenevans kenevans >To: "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 12:07:06 AM >Subject: One word > >Notches ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 06:44:46 -0500 (EST) From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: how many subscribers really? NJC Make that 62 Jim. I have the individual emails, plus a different email that I created in '98 for the digest. I'm just to crazy buzy to write these days. Plus you can probably add on another 10 jmdlers that are in that big chair in the sky. Jimmy In a message dated 12/11/2012 12:32:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com writes: > If you take the 50 people who regularly contribute, and add the 10 > people who wrote to me off-list, that's still only 60 people. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 04:43:53 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: One word >________________________________ > From: Mark >To: kenevans kenevans ; joni@smoe.org >Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 12:54:07 AM >Subject: Re: One word > >-----Original Message----- From: kenevans kenevans Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 9:07 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: One word >Notches >Nachos? >Not just. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 07:10:17 -0500 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: songs against drilling, njc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg2gAbb0NuE Here is a little inspiration for you. Let's stay strong . . . and Let's stay active. ban fracking "we bring more than a paycheck to our loved ones and family" pass this on to the governor Andrew Cuomo pass this on to our state residents NY is too smart for hydrofracking. I LOve NY Marianne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 22:25:01 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: how many suscribers really? NJC Patootoo!!!! LOLOLOLOLO! Oh shit thats redundant! :Love Paz (home from the road for a minute) Heads up New Jersey, New York, Pasadena Cal, Fayetteville Ark, Austin, Dallas and El Paso Here we come. On Dec 10, 2012, at 10:15 PM, Victor Johnson wrote: POTATO! On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Sally wrote: > Hmmmm...maybe we should all start posting one word commentary just to stir things up a bit ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 00:26:46 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: how many subscribers really? NJC If you take the 50 people who regularly contribute, and add the 10 people who wrote to me off-list, that's still only 60 people. The other 740 people cannot be cajoled into writing. What's up with that? I wonder how many of those are dead accounts that "bounce" but we don't know it because SMOE is on auto-pilot. Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 14:52:18 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #417 One could easily say the same about writings from today, point being there is certainly always more to learn, and much that will make "us" seem foolish 1000 years from now. On Monday, December 10, 2012, wrote: > > Sometimes the writings of a 1,000 years ago are wise, but sometimes they > are foolish and narrow-minded. > Would you take to heart advice based on a time when people believed the sun > orbited around a flat Earth? > Perhaps, but with more than a grain of salt. > > Paul ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2012 #1777 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------