From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #1768 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, December 7 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 1768 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL: how many subscribers, really? [Arkay Adkisson ] Re: JMDL: how many subscribers, really? ["David J. Phillips" ] RE: JMDL: how many subscribers, really? ["Laurent Olszer" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 07:47:53 -0600 From: Arkay Adkisson Subject: Re: JMDL: how many subscribers, really? Well I've been listening to Joni Mitchell got 30 years. The gap however, is I've been listening to the same four or five albums! Blue, for the roses, court and spark, etc. I even have all the other albums loaded on my iPod, but I when its time to put in my shoes, I pick the comfortable shoes I've known my whole life, instead of trying all the newer shoes on the shelf, to put it in other terms. Arkay Adkisson Piercedcanvas@gmail.com On Dec 7, 2012, at 3:57 AM, "Sally" wrote: > Yes but Arkay, I truly think that often it is refreshing and enlightening to hear what newcomers to the music think...you know! I mean, I've been listening to it now since about 1972 and each time I play it, I learn something new. But as others pointed out in a thread not long ago, I think you are so lucky to be hearing it for the first time in some cases. I remember getting my hands on a new album...calling the record store months ahead of time to learn when they would get it, to get any word on a new release from Joni! And then the first play through, the music familiar but strange, hearing tracks that stood out and grabbed you right away. Like an addiction, playing the damn thing night and day until you knew it inside and out! Man that was awesome! A fresh take from newcomers to the music is great! What's your favorite record so far? > > Sent from Confunction Junction on my iPhone > > On Dec 7, 2012, at 1:31 AM, Arkay Adkisson wrote: > >> Sorry, I bumped the screen and sent to soon. I was going to say I basically just feel like I have a large gap in my knowledge of Joni's music. >> >> Arkay Adkisson >> Piercedcanvas@gmail.com >> >> On Dec 7, 2012, at 12:26 AM, "Arkay Adkisson" wrote: >> >>> I am a hardcore lurker. Part of the reason for my own quietness us a lack of encyclopediac knowledge of >>> >>> Arkay Adkisson >>> Piercedcanvas@gmail.com >>> >>> On Dec 7, 2012, at 12:00 AM, "Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: >>> >>>> I'd swear that there are 50 of us in the JMDL. If there are 800 of us, then 750 of us are hard core lurkers. That doesn't seem likely. How come so many people lurk? Are we intimidating or just dull? >>>> >>>> Jim L'Hommedieu >>>> now playing in my head: Arsenio Hall saying "Things that make you go 'hmmmm'". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 08:46:27 -0500 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: list response, njc Hi joni loves, and as Bob would say, "Hippy Friday!" regarding not getting responses from the list when you post sometimes. . . we are surely reading and listening and sometimes we either do not have anything to say to we are kind of busy for me it is both but, but, I read much of what you all write and and I have to catch up sometimes and miss a few things but overall I love what you wonderful, interesting, groovy perople write about. . I think you are g r r r r r e a t! Love Marianne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2012 09:48:26 -0500 From: "David J. Phillips" Subject: Re: JMDL: how many subscribers, really? On 07/12/12 07:5732, Laurent Olszer wrote: > the lack of reaction on my posts, except on a few highly > controversial topics. I've been part of this list (or its predecessor) since 1996. I post rarely, but always with wit, insight and humility. And almost never is there a response. So this leaves a weird sense that there are the cool kids who know each other and laugh and play together, and the rest of us who are always interrupting at the wrong time with jokes that don't quite hit the mark. This is the nature of groups, I think. There really are people who know each other well on the list and who are comfortable joshing around and conversing with each other. And that's not a closed group - I imagine that if I put some time into joshing and conversing I'd fit right in. But it does take time and I don't seem to want to spend that time, even though you all really really are the cool kids and I'd love to have you recognize me as cool, too. So, you all (you know who you are!) are lovely to be with. I'm delighted that you laugh and josh, i identify as part of the group, if there were a jonifest nearby I'd participate, but i just don't post that much. But I'm about to start another thread on Joni and the I Ching. Watch for it! djp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 17:12:00 +0000 From: Anita Subject: Re: JMDL: how many subscribers, really? Laurent wrote: Second, the lack of reaction on my posts, except on a few highly > controversial topics. So, at the end of the day, my feeling became "why > bother?" It's sad but true. It always surprises me what posts of mine get picked up and what don't. However,I continue to post because I don't think it's personal if folk don't respond. I just enjoy the process of writing and trust that if it strikes a chord I may get a response. As Marianne put it, people may be busy or they may just to reflect upon the post or it simply may not interest them. Join my crew,Laurent and embrace your dullness! Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 11:32:50 -0800 From: "Eaton, Shari" Subject: Re: JMDL: how many subscribers, really? I DIDN'T GET A MUSIC DVD. GIVE IT OVER NOW!!! ;) just teasing. i wasn't a part of the exchange you're referring to but yes, a thank you is the most obvious response to this level of effort and thought. i can only imagine it was simply missed. I personally haven't been responding lately because I have been super busy. I've only had time to briefly scan the ballet interview, for instance. Always excited to hear a rumble in the Joni email forum though and feel blessed to have access to this level of information about her. Shari On Dec 7, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Laurent Olszer wrote: > Anita wrote: > Join my crew,Laurent and embrace your dullness! > > OK another thing: when i upload a music dvd that took time and effort to > make, all i expect is a "thank you" and i'd rather please 5 grateful people > than 500 ungrateful ones. > Some friends put up a lot of stuff on youtube, all they're after is the > largest possible audience and they don't care how many thanks they get, if > any. Their logic i guess is that people thank you by downloading or > watching, personally i don't get it. > Any comments? > > Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 14:58:14 +0000 From: Subject: Re: "One Toke Over The Line", by Brewer and Shipley, njc Jim, Since it's John Jerome Garcia on pedal steel, that feeling is understandable, B Workman - ---- Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Until insomnia backs off, I'm reading web sites and listening to old mp3s. > > When "One Toke Over The Line", by Brewer and Shipley came on, it sounded > just like the Grateful Dead. Can I get a witness? > > Jim L. > np: "Radio Nowhere" on mp3 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 18:43:58 +0000 From: Anita Subject: Re: JMDL: how many subscribers, really? Laurent, I think as human beings we hope that others will recognise our efforts and say thank you if we have put a lot of effort into something. However, I think that to expect thank you's from others is a road to constant disappointment. Could it be that simply enjoying the process of putting a DVD a together just for yourself is enough and that others may respond more if you have less expectation? Anita x On 7 Dec 2012, at 18:09, "Laurent Olszer" wrote: > Anita wrote: > Join my crew,Laurent and embrace your dullness! > > OK another thing: when i upload a music dvd that took time and effort to > make, all i expect is a "thank you" and i'd rather please 5 grateful people > than 500 ungrateful ones. > Some friends put up a lot of stuff on youtube, all they're after is the > largest possible audience and they don't care how many thanks they get, if > any. Their logic i guess is that people thank you by downloading or > watching, personally i don't get it. > Any comments? > > Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 12:29:50 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: JMDL: how many subscribers, really? I simply don't have as much time to post these days (keeping up with a three year old, practicing, working) but still love being a part of the community. Going to see The Indigo Girls tonight with the Georgia Symphony. Would be nice if they played River. Victor in Atlanta On Friday, December 7, 2012, Anita wrote: > Laurent wrote: > > Second, the lack of reaction on my posts, except on a few highly > > controversial topics. So, at the end of the day, my feeling became "why > > bother?" It's sad but true. > > It always surprises me what posts of mine get picked up and what don't. > However,I continue to post because I don't think it's personal if folk > don't respond. I just enjoy the process of writing and trust that if it > strikes a chord I may get a response. As Marianne put it, people may be > busy or they may just to reflect upon the post or it simply may not > interest them. Join my crew,Laurent and embrace your dullness! > Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2012 10:14:46 -0500 From: "David J. Phillips" Subject: Joni, the I Ching, and Stay in Touch It struck me recently that "Stay in Touch" could very well be structured around an I Ching hexagram. I don't have the expertise or the discipline to really wrack my Wilhelm to see what hexagram the whole song might be based on, but here are some of the lyrics that resonate: "burning brightly, clinging like fire to fuel" is the primary image for the trigram Li. many of the verses are written in a way that evokes the I Ching's slippery insight ("part of this is permanent, part of this is passing, so we must be loyal and wary," "during times like these the wise are influential, they can bear the imperfections, they can keep the harmony" "in the middle of this continent, in the middle of our time on earth we perceive one another.") I know there's at least one other I Ching devotee on this list (Hi Susan!) so I ask: does this reading of Stay in Touch make sense? Are there other songs that are structured like changing hexagrams? djp ps: "guesses based on what each set of time and change is touching" VERY i ching ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 05:37:19 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JMDL: how many subscribers, really? Don't be intimidated by that. Everyone has different knowledge levels. Even though I've listened to Joni's music since forever, there's still a lot I don't know, and many of us are in the same boat. I'm constantly surprised by hearing new things in music I thought I knew and by discovering things that others know that I had never even thought of. >________________________________ > From: Arkay Adkisson >To: Jim L'Hommedieu >Cc: JMDL >Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 1:31:09 AM >Subject: Re: JMDL: how many subscribers, really? > >Sorry, I bumped the screen and sent to soon. I was going to say I basically just feel like I have a large gap in my knowledge of Joni's music. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 06:03:22 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #1761 Anita, there is no way you're anywhere near as dull as I am! Ha! I do get the "intimidating" point, though, for a few reasons. First, when I joined, eons and eons ago, but not at the very beginning (because I didn't know this group existed and I didn't have a computer - remember the days when we didn't have computers?), there was some kind of flame war going on. I don't remember what it was about, but it scared the crap out of me and I un-joined right away. There used to be a lot of non-Joni political nattering going on, which is something I don't care to get into. It doesn't seem to happen anymore, mostly because people have matured a bit, or possibly moved on. A while later, I tried again, but waited on the edge before joining in. Second, I can see how people might get frightened off, either by some people's (apparent) broad knowledge of a range of subjects related or marginally related to Joni, or by feeling that maybe their point of view isn't getting any respect, either because people disagree with them in a way that intimidates them (as in, 'You're WRONG!!!), or because they're not getting any response. That stuff happens. I do a lot of self-talk, because I can't afford therapy! Sometimes (not all that often, but sometimes) people do react in a kind of nasty way, or perceived-as-nasty. Sometimes it's because they're trying to be funny or sarcastic, but there's no body-language to confirm that one way or another. Or sometimes they're just in a crap mood, and they snap at someone because they're there. And then there's the "I'm being ignored" feeling. Yes, that does happen, but any one of a number of reasons. Sometimes people are just too busy. Or sometimes they might feel they've posted too often and are waiting for someone else to do it. Sort of like I'm going to do, right about now, because I think I've just posted too much for this morning! >________________________________ > From: Anita >To: Gill Wolstencroft >Cc: "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 4:43:44 AM >Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #1761 > >I prefer to think of myself as dull, but I guess I don't worry about it :-) > >Anita x > > > >On 7 Dec 2012, at 07:16, Gill Wolstencroft wrote: > >> Not dull - at all. But you are intimidating! >> >> Gill x >> ________________________________ >> From: JMDL Digest >> >> To: joni-digest@smoe.org >> Sent: Friday, 7 >> December 2012, 5:52 >> Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #1761 >> >> >> JMDL Digest >> Friday, December 7 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 1761 >> >> >> >> ========== >> >> TOPICS >> and authors in this Digest: >> -------- >> JMDL: how many subscribers, really? >> ["Jim L'Hommedieu" > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Date: >> Fri, 07 Dec 2012 00:51:11 -0500 >> From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" >> >> Subject: JMDL: how many subscribers, really? >> >> I'd >> swear that there are 50 of us in the JMDL. If there are 800 of us, >> then 750 >> of us are hard core lurkers. That doesn't seem likely. How >> come so many >> people lurk? Are we intimidating or just dull? >> >> Jim L'Hommedieu >> now playing >> in my head: Arsenio Hall saying "Things that make you go >> 'hmmmm'". >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of JMDL Digest V2012 #1761 >> ****************************** >> >> ------- >> To post messages to the list, >> sendtojoni@smoe.org. >> Unsubscribe by clicking here: >> mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe >> ------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 19:09:42 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: RE: JMDL: how many subscribers, really? Anita wrote: Join my crew,Laurent and embrace your dullness! OK another thing: when i upload a music dvd that took time and effort to make, all i expect is a "thank you" and i'd rather please 5 grateful people than 500 ungrateful ones. Some friends put up a lot of stuff on youtube, all they're after is the largest possible audience and they don't care how many thanks they get, if any. Their logic i guess is that people thank you by downloading or watching, personally i don't get it. Any comments? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 05:35:21 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JMDL: how many subscribers, really? Paul, it's really nice to hear from you. I'm socially anxious too, but usually more in in-person/large-group situations, like parties. Ideally, we all look good AND feel good, but that's on a good day! >________________________________ > From: Paul Meyer-Strom >To: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com; "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 1:13:26 AM >Subject: RE: JMDL: how many subscribers, really? > >(Lurk, lurk, lurk) I sometimes stick my neck out and say something. > >I love reading JMDL posts. But I'm socially anxious. Reticent. Don't like >the spotlight. > >(now playing in my head: Billy Crystal, "It's more important to look good >than to feel good." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 14:56:43 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: New Joni ballet to premiere in May 2014 Well obviously your questions sparked a great interview. I'm very excited about the new ballet and I hope that it's all new music. Wouldn't that be fabulous!! Thanks Mark and Les, Take care, Sue Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: Mark [mailto:mark.travis@frontier.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 9:28 PM To: Susan Tierney McNamara; Les Irvin; Joni List Subject: Re: New Joni ballet to premiere in May 2014 Sue, All I did was make up the questions and type them out. Les made the connection and M. Grand Maitre was very generous with his answers. More so than I could have ever hoped. He is truly a great admirer of Joni and a very classy, nice guy, judging by his email correspondence. He really shared a lot of fascinating information and perspective on Joni's creative process. And of course the best part of all is that Joni is well and writing again! Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Susan Tierney McNamara Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 7:08 AM To: Les Irvin ; Joni List Cc: Mark (mark.travis@frontier.com) Subject: RE: New Joni ballet to premiere in May 2014 I'm a couple of days behind because of an awful cold, but I am so excited about this news!! Mark, your interview was fantastic. So much detail into Joni's creative process. She still has it as far as I'm concerned and I was very happy to hear she might be writing new music ... OH JOY!!! I'm thinking my next Jonifest is finally getting to Canada in May 2014!! (Unless something fabulous comes up before that, of course!) :-) Sue Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Les Irvin Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 2:09 PM To: Joni List Subject: New Joni ballet to premiere in May 2014 Just published! An exclusive JoniMitchell.com interview with Jean Grand-Maitre where he announces, among other things, that a new Joni ballet is to premiere in May 2014. Thanks to Mark Scott for conducting the interview: http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2540 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 21:27:22 +0000 From: Anita Subject: Re: Queer, if you ask me njc Gosh,Lori,your email takes me back.I had forgotten all about Olivia Records. I remember that wonderful and hilarious Meg Christian song I think called 'Ode To A Gym Teacher'? The chorus was something like: "She was a big tough woman The first to come along Who showed me being female Meant you still could be strong. And though graduation meant that we had to part She'll always be a player On the ball field of my heart" Corrections welcome! I am very busy on JMDL today as I still am poorly with bronchitis (nearly three weeks now) and still have no voice. I ain't used to being so quiet so am making up for it by chatting here it seems. And Lori I do hope you haven't 'given up' on relationships, Anita x On 28 Nov 2012, at 21:03, Lori Fye wrote: > Always running behind the times ... Joni's music ... lesbian music? Not > even close. There is an entire genre of lesbian music, much of it > published by what was Olivia Records (which has morphed into olivia.com, > which focuses on travel, retirement communities, etc., but which, sadly, > left music behind long ago). Anymore, those of us "old dykes" who > reference Cris Williamson, Meg Christian, and others who recorded on Olivia > Records are "dating" ourselves (in terms of age, although some of us may be > dating ourselves in terms of having given up on relationships, too). > > But Joni's music? NOT lesbian music. It may appeal to many lesbians, but > it appeals to any thinking, intelligent, and soulful person who can delve > into her lyrics, and even some who just enjoy a good, complicated melody. > (I had a friend long ago who claimed that he never listened to lyrics at > all ... any lyrics. I found that odd, but everyone's brain works > differently.) > > Joni is clearly heterosexual. I can wish all I want, but ... if wishes > were horses, all women would ride. :-) > > Lori, > still in Dotzheim (Wiesbaden, Germany) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2012 #1768 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. 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