From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #1726 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, November 29 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 1726 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Queer, if you ask me njc [LC Stanley ] Re: Treme (NJC) ["Randy Remote" ] Michael & The King of Siam (was Treme (NJC)) [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: Treme (NJC) [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: Queer, if you ask me njc [Catherine McKay ] RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #1725 ["Gary Hanick" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 05:24:53 -0800 (PST) From: LC Stanley Subject: Re: Queer, if you ask me njc > On 29 Nov 2012, at 03:45, Lori Fye wrote: > >> >> Olivia Records was a HUGE find for me when I was coming out in 1980-81. I >> was 21, and suddenly there was all this music, a lot of it pretty damned >> good, written and sung by women like me (except that I don't write music or >> lyrics or sing publicly, lol). Hi Lori, When you said, "like me" I thought of Chely Wright's song, "Like Me." Thick country but I LOVE it because I love her: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRPKmsFa-aE Here she is on Ellen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss8rchSXyGY Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:59:38 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Treme (NJC) From: However, if the show features nudity AND Paz is in it I may have to steer > clear. Not much nudity but the cool thing about Treme is that the music is performed live on camera. And they featured the Preservation Hall Jazz Band this season. And Lucia Micarelli's violin playing knocks me out. RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:34:18 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Michael & The King of Siam (was Treme (NJC)) Another amazing story, Mikey - you're right, you outdid yourself - until the NEXT amazing story. I've never been to Thailand but I made some good Thai friends when I was in Beijing; you're right, they are a fun-spirited, life-loving people and of course the food is off the charts good. Glad you were able to have this experience - you deserve it. Not sure why but in my mind I can see the King twirling you around on the dance floor singing "Shall We Dance"... Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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So I was very excited to read your account after living in Thailand in my head for about a week over here! :-) Safe travels!! Sue Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Michael Paz Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 2:15 PM To: Randy Remote Cc: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com; Catherine McKay; joni@smoe.org; Steve Dulson Subject: Re: Treme (NJC) Sorry. Just outdid my own self. We are in Thailand (yes again #4 for me) We are playing tomorrow and Sat concerts for invited guests and the general public, but tonight we played for the King of Thailand at the hospital where he has been living for the last few years. He is looking fantastic and seems strong and still sharp as a tack.They are keeping him here cause his immune system is very low and he is in constant danger of being infected with something. i found out tonight altho I thought different that we are a very small bunch of folks who gets to be close to him because he loves this music so much. We arrived at 5pm sharp as planned and were escorted to a Green Room type area where he is in the hospital. We were greeted with amazing appetizers and amazing Phat Thai and drinks. I then went and set up another large room with our band gear sans PA (yea acoustic babee no mics other than some mics set up for recording) In less than 25 min the rest of the band was being escorted in and we were told the King was on his way. 5 min later the band was playing. They played an excellent selection of N.O. Trad Jazz. Ben signaled for Dr. Pat (his good friend and the sax player in the Kings band) to the stage. He was in a playful mood and invited the Kings nurses to come to the stage. They giggled and did not move. Conversation on stage amongst the musicians and Pat and then he said "Michael! Can u come sing When You're Smiling" (WHAT???!?!?!??) I said, "Yes but that's Clint's song!". Pat said, "no problem we are ALL singing it" I was in a fog but said "I am honored" and got my big ole self out my chair and crawled to the stage. Pat once again invited the nurses to come up (and yes I know you are in denial Bob, but they jumped up and joined us on stage. Pat also invited Helen Gillet (look her up she is Clint's girlfriend and an amazing musician cello vocals). ANYfreakingWAYS.... We sang the song for the king. OMG!!! Really? After all the blessings in my life I get tapped to sing for my King! Needless to say we are all electric!!!! After the show we packed up and went downstairs and were treated to a 6 course meal with only a few other people besides us. I was lucky enough to be seated with a member of the Kings band and we talked about so many things, but I asked him (cause I know he is the REAL inner circle). How many get togethers they have like the one we are attending??? He said not many at all. In fact he said "only when you guy are in tow"!!!!!WHAT? I knew I was special but now I am feeling like.... Needless to say I am overwhelmed with emotion and honor and pride and so many feelings and thoughts that are just becoming clear to me as I get ready to fall in to the arms of Morpheus (hopefully for more than 4 hours), but I wanted to share this with some of the people that are the most important to me how powerful a night it was for me. It made it all clear as the driver of the van told the tailor we were visiting in the morning to get some clothes made for the band, scored a tie to wear to drive these crazies from New Orleans to see 'HIS King". He asked me to help him tie it.. Whoa. When I got back to the hotel the anxious looking desk clerk looked at me with a huge smile and said, "Excuse me Sir... Did you see MY KIng tonight? OMG wouldn't it be cool if everyone in our countries felt that wayabout our King or whomever? I know the Queen of England has her moments (and while I am not her on her short call list for hanging at Buckingham), THIS was some other kinda thing and always has been for me. It's what I told him the first time I had the honor to meet him. He is so loved by his people. A very humble people! So many of which I have come across and felt the humble gentle love. Anyway I could write all night but I am obliged to get to bed and rest for more amazing things tomorrow. Love you all! Be well! Paz P.S. I gave the driver and the desk clerk copies of the place cards that had the menu in the form of a concert ticket that all in INgles was brilliantly designed by some young lady and when i handed it to them, you would the think the King him self had touched them. I love that!!! On Nov 29, 2012, at 5:59 AM, Randy Remote wrote: From: However, if the show features nudity AND Paz is in it I may have to steer > clear. Not much nudity but the cool thing about Treme is that the music is performed live on camera. And they featured the Preservation Hall Jazz Band this season. And Lucia Micarelli's violin playing knocks me out. RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 06:39:52 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Queer, if you ask me njc For the record, I will add, I do not reproduce by dividing myself in half, like an amoeba or something. For which, we should all be extremely grateful, because it's giving me the creeps just thinking about that. Ewww! Paramecium sex! >________________________________ > From: Catherine McKay >To: Anita >Cc: Betsy ; "joni@smoe.org" ; "treegreen1@hotmail.com" >Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 9:37:50 AM >Subject: Re: Queer, if you ask me > > >Well, thank you, sweetie, and right back atcha. If I were a lesbian, I'd have to armwrassle Steph for you, which would suck, because I like Steph too much and you two make such a great couple. > >I think I will just declare myself asexual, since it's just easier that way! > > > > > > >>________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 16:18:41 -0800 From: "Gary Hanick" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #1725 Just reading the blogs about Joni's music being "lesbian". LOL. It's true that lesbians and gay men are very much attracted to Joni and her music. That's because she is soulful, beautiful, a diva, iconoclastic, sensitive, intelligent, wise in the ways of love and the ways of the world, spiritual, strong and willful. Still.... Joni has already commented that her music is race-less and gender-less. She'd probably think it was hysterical if the music suddenly got classified by sexual orientation. Even KD Lang would probably not limit her art to "lesbian music". It's also true that lesbians were very attracted to Dinah Shore and, as far as it's been revealed, Dinah was not a lesbian. Thanks for the laugh of the day. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni-digest@smoe.org] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 12:00 AM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #1725 JMDL Digest Thursday, November 29 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 1725 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: Taylor Swift as Joni ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Another meal with Joni [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Another meal with Joni [Betsy ] Re: Queer, if you ask me [Anita ] Re: just wondering, njc [Sally ] Re: Queer, if you ask me [Lori Fye ] Re: Queer, if you ask me [Catherine McKay ] Re: Queer, if you ask me [Sally ] just wondering, njc [Marianne Rizzo ] Re: just wondering, njc [Anita ] Re: just wondering, njc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Queer, if you ask me [Betsy ] RE: Queer, if you ask me ["John McGloin" ] Re: Queer, if you ask me njc [Lori Fye ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 15:06:37 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Taylor Swift as Joni I don't know what Taylor Swift would or wouldn't do, but it would be like that movie where Joaquin Phoenix tried to sing Johnny Cash. Besides, she knows how to fret-sync! Plus she is enormously popular and looks the part. In related news, there was a feature on Taylor Swift in the slick mag that comes with the Sunday paper, and the byline was that these days she is looking at life and love "from both sides now". RR From: > "Randy Remote" wrote: > If the filmakers are smart (and can afford it) they will use Joni's >> music, and have Ms. Swift lipsync to it. > > First of all, Taylor Swift would never agree to that. > Secondly, what would be the point of casting someone with musical ability > but no proven experience as an actress if not to let her sing. If they > would > plan to use Joni's music or voice, they'd have to do it for the roles of > Carly and Carole as well and it would seem awkward in a film. In that > case, > they might as well cast real actresses, not singers. > Paul Ivice - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 09:43:01 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Another meal with Joni The first time I heard "All I Want" I asked myself "what kind of weird guitar is THAT?" Bob From: Betsy To: joni@smoe.org Date: 11/28/2012 09:37 AM Subject: Another meal with Joni Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org Well, I heard BYT at a pizza place a while back. Last night it was All I Want at a Mexican restaurant. I'm not sure I've ever heard that song in public, but it only took one strum to recognize it. (I told my other half that there are only a few dulcimer songs in pop music, and they're all on the same album. Sorry, Cyndi.) They seemed to be playing some early 70s mix for the next hour, and it made me realize that "the radio blared so bland" back then, too. Betsy NP on the clock radio My Heart Will Go On and my man cursing about "damn Canadians" - - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Betsy NP on the clock radio My Heart Will Go On and my man cursing about "damn Canadians" - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:04:57 +0000 From: Anita Subject: Re: Queer, if you ask me Catherine wrote: > Interesting! I've never heard Joni's music described as "lesbian" music, so that makes me a lesbian, I suppose, and I'm OK with that label, even if it's just an honorary one. I'm also a fan of Rufus Wainwright, so I guess I'm a gay man too. Also OK with me! > I have never heard Joni's music described as lesbian either.Do we know where that comes from ? As for you,Catherine,labelling yourself as a lesbian or gay man,straight woman or straight man or everything and everone in between, you could just choose one label for yourself. I would suggest HOT! :-)) Love Luscious Les Lilac - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 12:51:17 -0500 From: Sally Subject: Re: just wondering, njc Omg...I'm going to marry one of you! But only if the gdamn government will un-uptight itself and allow me to. Thinking multicolored thoughts, Silly Sally the Prismatic Peach Sent from Confunction Junction on my iPhone On Nov 28, 2012, at 10:50 AM, Anita wrote: > Butch Brown I love you, > Les Lilac x > > On 28 Nov 2012, at 13:32, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > >> And the coolest thing about the JMDL is that it just does not matter. >> >> Love, >> Butch Brown - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 22:03:38 +0100 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Queer, if you ask me Always running behind the times ... Joni's music ... lesbian music? Not even close. There is an entire genre of lesbian music, much of it published by what was Olivia Records (which has morphed into olivia.com, which focuses on travel, retirement communities, etc., but which, sadly, left music behind long ago). Anymore, those of us "old dykes" who reference Cris Williamson, Meg Christian, and others who recorded on Olivia Records are "dating" ourselves (in terms of age, although some of us may be dating ourselves in terms of having given up on relationships, too). But Joni's music? NOT lesbian music. It may appeal to many lesbians, but it appeals to any thinking, intelligent, and soulful person who can delve into her lyrics, and even some who just enjoy a good, complicated melody. (I had a friend long ago who claimed that he never listened to lyrics at all ... any lyrics. I found that odd, but everyone's brain works differently.) Joni is clearly heterosexual. I can wish all I want, but ... if wishes were horses, all women would ride. :-) Lori, still in Dotzheim (Wiesbaden, Germany) - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 07:36:01 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Queer, if you ask me Interesting! I've never heard Joni's music described as "lesbian" music, so that makes me a lesbian, I suppose, and I'm OK with that label, even if it's just an honorary one. I'm also a fan of Rufus Wainwright, so I guess I'm a gay man too. Also OK with me! Good music is good music, as far as I'm concerned and good lyrics resound with people of all races, genders and eras. I'm a fan of many artists, male, female, gay, straight or otherwise. Their messages and music are universal. Sometimes I think that a certain kind of man (the ones who describe themselves as "red-blooded" and so on - I think we all have red blood, though, don't we? ) don't like listening to any kind of "female" music. Maybe I'm painting with too wide a brush, but often the stuff that appeals to women doesn't appeal to the macho he-man type so much, although many of them would say they'd like to jump so-and-so's bones, even if they don't like her music. So, if a musician's followers are mostly female, then these men might see them as all "lesbian," which is often what straight (or so-called straight) men say about women who don't accept their neanderthal advances. ("It can't be me, so it has to be you!" I wish I had that kind of black-and-white, simple world-view.) And then again, I think that the vast majority of people on this list never post. I think the count, when last I heard, was between 800 and 900 on the list. Even if there are some duplications (e.g. you've signed up with your work email and also your home one), then I'm sure that only maybe ten per cent of people post, even irregularly. From an "it seems to me" point of view, then it seems to me that there are more gay/lesbian people represented on this list than there are supposedly in the general population. If I were to take a wild guess, I'd say that maybe half the people who post regularly here are LBG, etc. But then again, Joni's music also appeals to sensitive types. Maybe gay/lesbian (etc) people are more inclined to be sensitive because they've had to be more sensitive to their surroundings to survive in an apparently mostly straight world. Or maybe LBG people feel safe here, because they are accepted for who they are and not judged on one aspect of themselves, as they might be in some other areas. Of course, I could be just blowing smoke outta my arse! Whatever the case may be, I've met a lot of people on this list, both virtually and in person, and I have to say I can't think of one I didn't like! So, bring on the lesbian music! After all, Sappho of Lesbos was a poet! >________________________________ > From: Betsy >To: "joni@smoe.org" ; "treegreen1@hotmail.com" >Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:53:33 AM >Subject: Queer, if you ask me > >Marianne, > >I wouldn't dare guess how many listers fall in which part of the spectrum of sexual orientation, but it you're taking a poll, I'm straight. > >I don't understand how Joni's music is constantly described as "lesbian" music. That woman is a flaming heterosexual in word and deed. Maybe women fall in love with her because she's so beautiful, yet so headstrong and talented, that it seems impossible for her to be the woman behind the man. Not that she didn't try. > >As for gay men, just listen to Man to Man or Free Man in Paris or Two Grey Rooms. Joni is capable of translating a variety of experiences into song using empathy. > >Liza answered the question about why she was a gay icon, "Because they have good taste!" That definitely applies here. > >Betsy > >> What would you say is the percentage of lesbian and gay purple on this list? >> take a guess >> >> And, >> Why are so many gay people attracted to joni? >> >> Marianne - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:17:06 -0500 From: Sally Subject: Re: Queer, if you ask me AA pandered to my lower sense of contemplative reasoning when she noted: > Seriously, when it comes to meeting Joni and loving her ethereal music, you should know, Slutty Sally, that both my spirit and soul move to a much higher place - way beyond the lusty loins and dark desires your email infers. Listen Holy Hussy...I saw you at the Salty Sluts meeting so don't try to disavow your membership now! We know where to find you! But wait, I'm sure I saw Joni there also! Seems to me she's the Keeper of the Cards, is she not? Yours in determined devilishness and ongoing overtures, Silly Sally (Simple Simon's Reckless Sister) Sent from Confunction Junction on my iPhone On Nov 28, 2012, at 1:55 PM, Anita wrote: > On 28 Nov 2012, at 18:24, Sally wrote; > > "On the contrary she seems stubbornly straight (waz up with that Lucious? You spent the evening with her...we shoulda coached you better on recruiting)!!!" > > What makes you think I didn't? :-)) > > Seriously, when it comes to meeting Joni and loving her ethereal music, you should know, Slutty Sally, that both my spirit and soul move to a much higher place - way beyond the lusty loins and dark desires your email infers. > > (Mind you,what a great thread that would have been........'How I got down and dirty to pull Joni'..........) > Yours in holy chas titty > Angelic Anita - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 13:18:50 -0500 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: just wondering, njc I don't much think of Joni's music as lesbian music. enjoying the discussion. - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 15:50:35 +0000 From: Anita Subject: Re: just wondering, njc Butch Brown I love you, Les Lilac x On 28 Nov 2012, at 13:32, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > And the coolest thing about the JMDL is that it just does not matter. > > Love, > Butch Brown - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 08:32:16 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: just wondering, njc And the coolest thing about the JMDL is that it just does not matter. Love, Butch Brown From: Anita G To: Marianne Rizzo Cc: joni list Date: 11/28/2012 06:55 AM Subject: Re: just wondering, njc Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org On 27/11/2012, Marianne Rizzo wrote: > I am just wondering, > What would you say is the percentage of lesbian and gay purple on this > list? My emails seem to come into my inbox in black and white, so to know just what percentage of gay purple or, indeed, lesbian lilac there is on JMDL is hard to guess. There is, without doubt, a certain amount of butch brown tempered with sensitive scarlet and a fair bit of brilliant Blue, alongside some startling het henna. It seems that my personal pallette is simply overflowing with radiant rainbows this morning, Anita - - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - - ------------------------------------------------------------ - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 06:53:33 -0800 From: Betsy Subject: Queer, if you ask me Marianne, I wouldn't dare guess how many listers fall in which part of the spectrum of sexual orientation, but it you're taking a poll, I'm straight. I don't understand how Joni's music is constantly described as "lesbian" music. That woman is a flaming heterosexual in word and deed. Maybe women fall in love with her because she's so beautiful, yet so headstrong and talented, that it seems impossible for her to be the woman behind the man. Not that she didn't try. As for gay men, just listen to Man to Man or Free Man in Paris or Two Grey Rooms. Joni is capable of translating a variety of experiences into song using empathy. Liza answered the question about why she was a gay icon, "Because they have good taste!" That definitely applies here. Betsy > What would you say is the percentage of lesbian and gay purple on this list? > take a guess > > And, > Why are so many gay people attracted to joni? > > Marianne - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 20:55:43 -0000 From: "John McGloin" Subject: RE: Queer, if you ask me Hi Synchronicity strikes again. There happens to be a couple of interesting gigs coming up in London on 11 January at Pizza Express Jazz Club. Ian Shaw who is a fine jazz vocalist and also happens to be gay and is doing 2 evenings of music - one of Joni Mitchell music and another of Joni Mitchell and Leonard Cohen music. Cheers John (Fan of lesbian music and the last time I looked, my blood was red. I can't blow smoke though!!!) - - -----Original Message----- From: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Catherine McKay Sent: 28 November 2012 15:36 To: Betsy; joni@smoe.org; treegreen1@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Queer, if you ask me Interesting! I've never heard Joni's music described as "lesbian" music, so that makes me a lesbian, I suppose, and I'm OK with that label, even if it's just an honorary one. I'm also a fan of Rufus Wainwright, so I guess I'm a gay man too. Also OK with me! Good music is good music, as far as I'm concerned and good lyrics resound with people of all races, genders and eras. I'm a fan of many artists, male, female, gay, straight or otherwise. Their messages and music are universal. Sometimes I think that a certain kind of man (the ones who describe themselves as "red-blooded" and so on - I think we all have red blood, though, don't we? ) don't like listening to any kind of "female" music. Maybe I'm painting with too wide a brush, but often the stuff that appeals to women doesn't appeal to the macho he-man type so much, although many of them would say they'd like to jump so-and-so's bones, even if they don't like her music. So, if a musician's followers are mostly female, then these men might see them as all "lesbian," which is often what straight (or so-called straight) men say about women who don't accept their neanderthal advances. ("It can't be me, so it has to be you!" I wish I had that kind of black-and-white, simple world-view.) And then again, I think that the vast majority of people on this list never post. I think the count, when last I heard, was between 800 and 900 on the list. Even if there are some duplications (e.g. you've signed up with your work email and also your home one), then I'm sure that only maybe ten per cent of people post, even irregularly. From an "it seems to me" point of view, then it seems to me that there are more gay/lesbian people represented on this list than there are supposedly in the general population. If I were to take a wild guess, I'd say that maybe half the people who post regularly here are LBG, etc. But then again, Joni's music also appeals to sensitive types. Maybe gay/lesbian (etc) people are more inclined to be sensitive because they've had to be more sensitive to their surroundings to survive in an apparently mostly straight world. Or maybe LBG people feel safe here, because they are accepted for who they are and not judged on one aspect of themselves, as they might be in some other areas. Of course, I could be just blowing smoke outta my arse! Whatever the case may be, I've met a lot of people on this list, both virtually and in person, and I have to say I can't think of one I didn't like! So, bring on the lesbian music! After all, Sappho of Lesbos was a poet! >________________________________ > From: Betsy >To: "joni@smoe.org" ; "treegreen1@hotmail.com" > >Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:53:33 AM >Subject: Queer, if you ask me > >Marianne, > >I wouldn't dare guess how many listers fall in which part of the spectrum of sexual orientation, but it you're taking a poll, I'm straight. > >I don't understand how Joni's music is constantly described as "lesbian" music. That woman is a flaming heterosexual in word and deed. Maybe women fall in love with her because she's so beautiful, yet so headstrong and talented, that it seems impossible for her to be the woman behind the man. Not that she didn't try. > >As for gay men, just listen to Man to Man or Free Man in Paris or Two Grey Rooms. Joni is capable of translating a variety of experiences into song using empathy. > >Liza answered the question about why she was a gay icon, "Because they have good taste!" That definitely applies here. > >Betsy > >> What would you say is the percentage of lesbian and gay purple on this list? >> take a guess >> >> And, >> Why are so many gay people attracted to joni? >> >> Marianne - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 04:45:45 +0100 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Queer, if you ask me njc Anita, I think you got the lyrics to 'Ode To A Gym Teacher' spot on! Hilarious song, and the original recording was prefaced with a funny story about a broken piece of a baby blue ruler ... heh. (Actually, here's the entire recording, including the story: http://youtu.be/pT_wmo3O9zM) Olivia Records was a HUGE find for me when I was coming out in 1980-81. I was 21, and suddenly there was all this music, a lot of it pretty damned good, written and sung by women like me (except that I don't write music or lyrics or sing publicly, lol). It was nothing short of a revelation, and it felt like I'd found a world of women who understood a whole lot of what I was feeling and trying to figure out. It was very empowering music at the time. While not a lesbian (as far as I know, anyway), Bonnie Raitt was very supportive of Olivia Records and she played and sang on a number of Olivia recordings. These days, some of the younger lesbians will tease us "dykes of a certain age" when we drag out the Olivia tunes, but things have changed, thankfully. While there is still a lot of work to be done on the equality front, younger lesbians (and gay men, as well as bisexuals and the transgendered) have a much better support system in place today. At least that's how it seems to me. I am grateful for that, for them, for my peers, for myself. It's still hard to come out for too many people in too many places, but we're getting there, and a hat should be tipped to our straight allies for their support, as well. As for giving up on relationships ... nah. Not really. I'm just taking a long (and well deserved) break. Hope you feel better soon, Anita! Lori Dotzheim - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2012 #1725 ****************************** - ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2012 #1726 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------