From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #1688 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, November 13 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 1688 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Covers 74 [Michel BYRNE ] CeeLo's version of River [Susan Tierney McNamara ] RE: Pitchfork review [Susan Tierney McNamara ] RE: Pitchfork review [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Pitchfork review [Michel BYRNE ] That review of the new boxed set [jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:02:58 +0000 From: Michel BYRNE Subject: Covers 74 Thanks once again, Bob. The following is pure trivia, but may be of interest to one or two JMDLers... I was intrigued that the French BSN is a very different translation from the one popularised by Nana Mouskouri. It turns out (thank you Wikipedia) that Christine Charbonneau is a fellow Canadian, from Montreal, born in 1943 a few weeks before Joni, and who was also featured in the 1966 Canadian song TV series Mon Pays, Mes Chansons (the one where Joni sings Little David and other songs in the middle of cornfields). She is also a painter, and a (published) poet. Stange synergies... Best to all Michel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:08:13 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: CeeLo's version of River I had a free mpg download from Amazon and decided I wanted to hear this version of River ... (I should have checked to see if it was on one of the recent covers downloads, sorry Bob) ... but I have to say it's a very faithful version ... I think the piano player (does Ceelo play the piano?) downloaded Dave's transcription from jm.com!!! :) I have to love Ceelo, for no other reason than the song Crazy, which I think is awesome. :) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 22:38:23 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Pitchfork review I agree with you ... I always scratched my head at Joni comparisons ... even Ricky Lee Jones, who I adore, does not strike me as Joni-like (except for the beret of course). I see Joni as a composer much like the Beatles, orchestral songs, even if it's just her and her guitar. I really like kd lang but her songwriting is not at that level. She is more of a crooner, like Frank Sinatra or Roy Orbison. But Joni ... I guess I just have to go back to what Elvis Costello said about her when describing Shades of Scarlett Conquering ... "You know the line in 'Shades of Scarlet Conquering'- 'Dressed in stolen clothes she stands / Cast-iron and frail / With her impossibly gentle hands / And her blood-red fingernails'? If many songwriters wrote a description as good as that in their whole careers, they would be blessed- and there are five or six lines that good in that one song! It's not just that she has no rivals among female singer-songwriters. She has very few peers among any songwriters." [Vanity Fair - 1997] Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Michel BYRNE Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 4:29 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Pitchfork review I enjoyed this review, though the dismissal of Mingus as a dilettante's effort is disappointing, and the criticism of Crosby's production of STAS as 'intrusive' is a bit bizarre. But the introductory comment about Joni's massive influence got me wondering: what Joni influence do JMDLers recognise in other artists' music-- in terms of actual musical style, not simply general inspiration or 'confessional' writing style?... I'm she's held in great respect by fellow musicians, but I've always had trouble *hearing* her influence in other people's music. The only examples I can think of (but my knowledge of contemporary music is fairly limited) are k.d.lang's C&S-style stacked harmonies in the Ingenue album, and the guitar work in a McAlmont & Butler song called Blue. B. Anyway, just wondering if anyone had any suggestions... Best to all Michel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 22:41:13 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Pitchfork review I also thought her comment about Miles of Aisles was mean ... (a wonky fiasco, skip it) ... what? Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Michel BYRNE Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 4:29 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Pitchfork review I enjoyed this review, though the dismissal of Mingus as a dilettante's effort is disappointing, and the criticism of Crosby's production of STAS as 'intrusive' is a bit bizarre. But the introductory comment about Joni's massive influence got me wondering: what Joni influence do JMDLers recognise in other artists' music-- in terms of actual musical style, not simply general inspiration or 'confessional' writing style?... I'm she's held in great respect by fellow musicians, but I've always had trouble *hearing* her influence in other people's music. The only examples I can think of (but my knowledge of contemporary music is fairly limited) are k.d.lang's C&S-style stacked harmonies in the Ingenue album, and the guitar work in a McAlmont & Butler song called Blue. B. Anyway, just wondering if anyone had any suggestions... Best to all Michel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:28:42 +0000 From: Michel BYRNE Subject: Pitchfork review I enjoyed this review, though the dismissal of Mingus as a dilettante's effort is disappointing, and the criticism of Crosby's production of STAS as 'intrusive' is a bit bizarre. But the introductory comment about Joni's massive influence got me wondering: what Joni influence do JMDLers recognise in other artists' music-- in terms of actual musical style, not simply general inspiration or 'confessional' writing style?... I'm she's held in great respect by fellow musicians, but I've always had trouble *hearing* her influence in other people's music. The only examples I can think of (but my knowledge of contemporary music is fairly limited) are k.d.lang's C&S-style stacked harmonies in the Ingenue album, and the guitar work in a McAlmont & Butler song called Blue. B. Anyway, just wondering if anyone had any suggestions... Best to all Michel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 19:45:12 -0500 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: That review of the new boxed set I found time to finish reading the pitchfork review of "Joni Mitchell: The Studio Albums 1968-1979". I appreciate the time it took to write such a long essay and agree with many of Jessica Harper's points. There are also many spots where I disagree with her. For example, she thinks that "Our House" and "Willy" are 'saccharine at best.' There are several places where Harper appears to lose her way, using long sentences with multiple parenthetical phrases. Taken as a whole, Harper's review is a valid, reasoned response to ten amazing albums. Jim L. http://m.pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/17269-the-studio-albums-1968-1979/ Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2012 #1688 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------