From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #1648 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, November 2 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 1648 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: We Are Stardust! New Joni Mitchell Album in the works? [Catherine Mc] Re: We Are Stardust! New Joni Mitchell Album in the works? [Sally ] Joni mention on 30 Rock [Lindsay Moon ] Joni Covers By Local Fusion Band, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Katherine Monk's book [Rick Hobbs-Seeley ] Katherine Monk's book [jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] Re: Joni Reference by Cale ["David J. Phillips" ] Re: We Are Stardust! New Joni Mitchell Album in the works? [Anita ] Les Irving Drops a Bomb on the JMDL! [Jack Merkel ] Re: Joni and Buffy [Michael Paz ] Re: Subject: Joni and Buffy ["Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: We Are Stardust! New Joni Mitchell Album in the works? Thanks, Jack! This is great! er, great news! >________________________________ > From: Jack Merkel >To: JMDL >Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 12:51:59 AM >Subject: We Are Stardust! New Joni Mitchell Album in the works? > >In what appears to be a historic pairing of two cultural icons, rumor has it that Joni Mitchell has decided to reinterpret some of her classic songs from the past, and put a fresh spin on them by incorporating references to the popular Star Wars movies. Never one to rest on her laurels, or shy away from going in unexpected directions, Joni cited the recent sale of the JMDL to the Jedi Masters Discussion List as her inspiration for this project. > >Bolstered by the recent surge in interest for all things Star Wars, this collaboration could prove to be as popular with her fans as her joint effort with Charles Mingus. Backed by a 70 piece orchestra conducted by John Williams, this record has mega hit written all over it. No release date has been announced. > >Complete song listing: > >Urge For Cloning >A Woman of Hoth and Mind >You Turn Me On, I'm C-3PO >The Dry Cleaner From Naboo >(No Regrets) Chewbacca >Judgement of the Moon and Death Star >Big Yellow Starfighter >The Ewok That Lived in Lindsey >Slouching Towards Coruscant >The Last Time I Saw Jar Jar >Furry Sings the Blues ( The Wookie's Theme Song) >Obi and Marlena >Edith and the Dark Lord >Palpatine Plains >Darth Vader's Reckless Daughter >Two Moons at the Window >Sith Kills >Flat Tires You Dream >The Sire of Sorrow (Jabba's Sad Song) >The Tatooine Prophesy (Pick Up Your Arms) >Dancin' Clone >The Only Droid in Town >Little Green (Yoda's Theme Song) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 07:53:36 -0400 From: Sally Subject: Re: We Are Stardust! New Joni Mitchell Album in the works? Hahahaha! Just spit my water across the room!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Jack, would you please give us a review and see if you can scrounge up the lyrics for Darth Vader's Reckless Daughter! ;p Thanks for starting us out with a laugh this morning! :D Peace, Sally Sent from Confunction Junction on my iPhone On Nov 1, 2012, at 12:51 AM, Jack Merkel wrote: > In what appears to be a historic pairing of two cultural icons, rumor has it that Joni Mitchell has decided to reinterpret some of her classic songs from the past, and put a fresh spin on them by incorporating references to the popular Star Wars movies. Never one to rest on her laurels, or shy away from going in unexpected directions, Joni cited the recent sale of the JMDL to the Jedi Masters Discussion List as her inspiration for this project. > > Bolstered by the recent surge in interest for all things Star Wars, this collaboration could prove to be as popular with her fans as her joint effort with Charles Mingus. Backed by a 70 piece orchestra conducted by John Williams, this record has mega hit written all over it. No release date has been announced. > > Complete song listing: > > Urge For Cloning > A Woman of Hoth and Mind > You Turn Me On, I'm C-3PO > The Dry Cleaner From Naboo > (No Regrets) Chewbacca > Judgement of the Moon and Death Star > Big Yellow Starfighter > The Ewok That Lived in Lindsey > Slouching Towards Coruscant > The Last Time I Saw Jar Jar > Furry Sings the Blues ( The Wookie's Theme Song) > Obi and Marlena > Edith and the Dark Lord > Palpatine Plains > Darth Vader's Reckless Daughter > Two Moons at the Window > Sith Kills > Flat Tires You Dream > The Sire of Sorrow (Jabba's Sad Song) > The Tatooine Prophesy (Pick Up Your Arms) > Dancin' Clone > The Only Droid in Town > Little Green (Yoda's Theme Song) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 11:24:15 -0500 From: Happy The Man Subject: Re: Joni and Buffy Man, "The Incest Song" wow the comparisons. I was reading through all music and here is the 5 star review of the album. reviewby William Ruhlmann This is one of the most scathing topical folk albums ever made. Sainte-Marie sings in an emotional, vibrato-laden voice of war ("The Universal Soldier," later a hit for Donovan ), drugs ("Cod'ine"), sex ("The Incest Song"), and most telling, the mistreatment of Native Americans, of which Sainte-Marie is one ("Now That the Buffalo's Gone"). *Even decades later, the album's power is moving and disturbing.* peace, Happy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 11:04:31 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Joni mention on 30 Rock Did anyone else see 30 Rock last night? Liz & Jack are fighting over who is the better presidential candidate, and Pete is worried he won't have the same high hopes and good feelings with this election (and an impromptu kiss from a pretty security guard) and Liz says "There's no hope. Not for you or this country. If Joni Mitchell were here, she'd be like "The big men won't give peace a chance. The cobblestones! The cobblestones!" in her best Joni singing voice & Canadian intonation. You go, Liz Lemon!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 23:29:41 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni Covers By Local Fusion Band, njc My girlfriend and I spent an enjoyable evening with a local fusion band called "Flippo", with a guest vocalist named Kay Harris. Since they play fusion, they emphasized songs from THOSL and Hejira. They played In France They Kiss On Main Street The Hissing Of Summer Lawns Free Man In Paris Edith And The Kingpin Dry Cleaner From Des Moines River Woodstock - - break - Coyote Rainy Night House Help Me A Case Of You an instumental called "Green Tea" Black Crow They finished with a Herbie Hancock number called "Butterfly". It was over far too soon. I gave them all a copy of the Joni and James at the BBC disc that Simon mastered for CD long ago. I want to thank Bob Muller for the heads-up. There was a good, enthusiastic turn-out so we can take heart that Joni's music is still being appreciated on a weeknight, in Columbus, Ohio. Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 08:53:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Joni Reference by Cale Okay, I'll admit some weeks I just can't read every post, so this is probably old news, but just in case: There is a Joni reference on John Cale's new album "Shifty Adventures in Nookie Wood". It's on the track "Midnight Feast". Midnight Feast She caught me by surprise Bursting into tears Boo hoo I found you on the freeway Shredding the alphabet Listening to the fog banks Joni Mitchell and her parking lot I lost you on the way down Close to Chamonix The ferry took me to dry land Took me to Italy Boo hoo We were passing by a midnight feast But we carried on Since you'd seen Beauty and the Beast You said 'enough' We were passing by a midnight feast You said 'enough' Since you'd seen Beauty and the Beast You said 'enough' Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 17:48:54 -0700 From: Rick Hobbs-Seeley Subject: Re: Katherine Monk's book I just finished it myself, Jim. Today in fact. I thought it was an interesting observation on what makes a creative genius tick. However, I found the analysis of the artistic influences tedious and she certainly took liberties with some assertions. I doubt JM would have appreciated the work. At all. I did appreciate, however, her avoidance of gossip about JM's personal life. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 1, 2012, at 4:47 PM, jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com wrote: The first chapter is pretty tough because she quotes many philosophers, all long dead. Monk puts Joni's creativity in the tradition of artists. She talks at length about Nietzsche for example. The book acts as an introduction to his thoughts and I found that useful. I haven't read any of his stuff because (long ago) Marcel Deste said, "All you need to know about Nietzsche is that he killed himself. Why would you want to follow him?". From Monk's book it seemed indeed he was indeed a very dark and narcissistic guy. He went around saying that God is dead and The Artist creates himself. I enjoyed the book although it is not for everyone. She didnt do any interviews at all. Her research appears to be exclusively the JMDL Library and the afore mentioned philosophers. Jim Np: street sounds while I wait for the band to start ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 19:47:26 -0400 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: Katherine Monk's book The first chapter is pretty tough because she quotes many philosophers, all long dead. Monk puts Joni's creativity in the tradition of artists. She talks at length about Nietzsche for example. The book acts as an introduction to his thoughts and I found that useful. I haven't read any of his stuff because (long ago) Marcel Deste said, "All you need to know about Nietzsche is that he killed himself. Why would you want to follow him?". From Monk's book it seemed indeed he was indeed a very dark and narcissistic guy. He went around saying that God is dead and The Artist creates himself. I enjoyed the book although it is not for everyone. She didnt do any interviews at all. Her research appears to be exclusively the JMDL Library and the afore mentioned philosophers. Jim Np: street sounds while I wait for the band to start ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 12:20:27 -0400 From: "David J. Phillips" Subject: Re: Joni Reference by Cale I'm giving myself a joni-literati award because when I read this: > Joni > Mitchell and her parking lot I first thought of her pissing a tequila anaconda. Then it dawned on me that it's probably a reference to paving paradise. djp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 09:57:17 +0000 From: Anita Subject: Re: We Are Stardust! New Joni Mitchell Album in the works? Jack this has made me laugh so much.Thanks! Anita x On 1 Nov 2012, at 04:51, Jack Merkel wrote: > In what appears to be a historic pairing of two cultural icons, rumor has it that Joni Mitchell has decided to reinterpret some of her classic songs from the past, and put a fresh spin on them by incorporating references to the popular Star Wars movies. Never one to rest on her laurels, or shy away from going in unexpected directions, Joni cited the recent sale of the JMDL to the Jedi Masters Discussion List as her inspiration for this project. > > Bolstered by the recent surge in interest for all things Star Wars, this collaboration could prove to be as popular with her fans as her joint effort with Charles Mingus. Backed by a 70 piece orchestra conducted by John Williams, this record has mega hit written all over it. No release date has been announced. > > Complete song listing: > > Urge For Cloning > A Woman of Hoth and Mind > You Turn Me On, I'm C-3PO > The Dry Cleaner From Naboo > (No Regrets) Chewbacca > Judgement of the Moon and Death Star > Big Yellow Starfighter > The Ewok That Lived in Lindsey > Slouching Towards Coruscant > The Last Time I Saw Jar Jar > Furry Sings the Blues ( The Wookie's Theme Song) > Obi and Marlena > Edith and the Dark Lord > Palpatine Plains > Darth Vader's Reckless Daughter > Two Moons at the Window > Sith Kills > Flat Tires You Dream > The Sire of Sorrow (Jabba's Sad Song) > The Tatooine Prophesy (Pick Up Your Arms) > Dancin' Clone > The Only Droid in Town > Little Green (Yoda's Theme Song) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 09:11:16 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: We Are Stardust! New Joni Mitchell Album in the works? laughter is so appreciated in these tough times when so many are suffering on the east coast. Thanks Jack! Paz On Oct 31, 2012, at 11:51 PM, Jack Merkel wrote: In what appears to be a historic pairing of two cultural icons, rumor has it that Joni Mitchell has decided to reinterpret some of her classic songs from the past, and put a fresh spin on them by incorporating references to the popular Star Wars movies. Never one to rest on her laurels, or shy away from going in unexpected directions, Joni cited the recent sale of the JMDL to the Jedi Masters Discussion List as her inspiration for this project. Bolstered by the recent surge in interest for all things Star Wars, this collaboration could prove to be as popular with her fans as her joint effort with Charles Mingus. Backed by a 70 piece orchestra conducted by John Williams, this record has mega hit written all over it. No release date has been announced. Complete song listing: Urge For Cloning A Woman of Hoth and Mind You Turn Me On, I'm C-3PO The Dry Cleaner From Naboo (No Regrets) Chewbacca Judgement of the Moon and Death Star Big Yellow Starfighter The Ewok That Lived in Lindsey Slouching Towards Coruscant The Last Time I Saw Jar Jar Furry Sings the Blues ( The Wookie's Theme Song) Obi and Marlena Edith and the Dark Lord Palpatine Plains Darth Vader's Reckless Daughter Two Moons at the Window Sith Kills Flat Tires You Dream The Sire of Sorrow (Jabba's Sad Song) The Tatooine Prophesy (Pick Up Your Arms) Dancin' Clone The Only Droid in Town Little Green (Yoda's Theme Song) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 16:45:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Ivice Subject: Taylor vs. Joni Catherine McKay wrote: I've heard a few Taylor Swift songs because a friend of my daughter's is a fan and made my daughter go with her to her last concert here in Toronto. Although I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, and I haven't given the songs on "Red" a listen, so I suppose I should before mouthing off, but I really don't think Ms Swift can hold a candle to Joni and that she has a LONG way to go before ever (if ever) coming close to the maturity, poetry and musicality of Ms Mitchell. I am not a fan of Taylor Swift, but I am a fan of fairness. Ms. Swift willl turn 23 in December. Joni, who will be 69 next week, did not release her first album until she was 25. So if you are going to make any comparisons between the songwriting abilities of Taylor Swift and Joni Mitchell, you should compare Taylor's work to date only with songs Joni had written by the same age, or at most perhaps the songs on her first album. I would suggest that if you can ignore everything Joni wrote later and do not know of the progression she made through the various genres of music over the years, the comparison is not so unfavorable to Swift. I would note that Joni thought many of the songs she had written by the end of 1966, when she was 23, might not have been good enough to release on an album. Paul Ivice Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 06:50:08 -0500 From: Jack Merkel Subject: Les Irving Drops a Bomb on the JMDL! "Denver Colorado (AP) - After years of running one of the most beloved and respected fan forums on the web, Les Irving, a favorite son of Colorado, has stunned the community by selling the rights to the JMDL. Details of the transaction are still up in the air, but rumor has it that he agreed to sell the rights for a life time supply of mandolin strings. The new owners, the Jedi Masters Discussion List, wasted no time in putting out their first post. On Oct 30, 2012, at 7:28 > "LOS ANGELES (AP) -- A decade since George Lucas said "Star Wars" was finished on the big screen, a new trilogy under new ownership is destined for theaters after The Walt Disney Co. announced Tuesday that it was buying Lucasfilm Ltd. from him for $4.05 billion." > > Episode 7 is due in 2015. > > Details: > TinyURL.com/9ghctwq > > Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 08:54:12 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joni and Buffy I had this album back in the day but it is long gone and I have not heard these songs forever. Thanks for sharing oh Jedi Master Paz On Oct 31, 2012, at 7:50 AM, Robert Sartorius wrote: Les wrote" "Recently, I bought Buffy Saint-Marie's first album, released in 1964. As Joni's hero, this would have been what Joni was listening to at the time she began writing. For me, it was a revelation hearing this album and for the first time ever, I thought "Aha!" I can hear now what may have influenced Joni's early, mostly unreleased songwriting. More so the guitar playing (Buffy used open tunings) than lyrically, but to me, a distinct influence for Joni - perhaps the only obvious influence." I'd be interested in other's takes on this. Here's a 3-song sampler from Buffy's first album: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/8377478/Buffy1964.zip Thoughts anyone? Am I way off base?" Thanks for the sampler, Les. I enjoyed it. I think you may be on to something - certainly not off base IMO. Of the three songs in the sampler, the first (Old Mand's Lament, which I assume is an old Irish ballad) reminds me very much of an early Joni song (or perhaps parts of a couple), the name of which escapes me. (The guitar intro reminded me of Eastern Rain, which is to say, vice versa). The second song did not strike a chord with me, but the lyric from the the third cut (It's My Way) was defiantly independent and, in that sense, might well have struck a chord with Joni (Just Like Me? Born To Take the Highway?). Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 19:44:02 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Subject: Joni and Buffy BTW, Buffy St. Marie was born a Cree Indian, in Saskatchewan. She's been married and divorced three times. Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffy_Sainte-Marie Jim L'Hommedieu np: Human Wheels by John Mellencamp also now playing: the doorbell as neighborhood kids look for Trick-or-Treat candy ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2012 #1648 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------