From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #1551 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, October 9 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 1551 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Review of THOSL [Shari Eaton ] Re: Joni reading [Shari Eaton ] Re: Review of THOSL [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] re: photo link [joe farrell ] Re: Joni reading [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Dylan and Great Joni Songs [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 07:17:59 -0700 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: Review of THOSL Languid arrangements, sparkling sounds, rare, never stumbling, strange, chilling, fearless .. really nice descriptions. On Oct 8, 2012, at 7:59 PM, "Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > http://www.connollyco.com/discography/joni_mitchell/hissing.html > > "Beginning with Miles of Aisles, Joni's genius grew a little prickly, > her impressive intellect a little intimidating. Court and Spark asked a > lot of audiences and gave them twofold payment if they stuck around long > enough. The Hissing of Summer Lawns is even smarter, but the returns are > a little different this time. There are no sweet treats like ("Twisted" > and "Raised on Robbery"). Instead, you get the colliding cultures of > "The Jungle Line" (which I'll get to later) and complex poetry couched > in lovely and often languid arrangements ("This Hissing of Summer > Lawns," "Shades of Scarlet Conquering"). It's a brilliant record, > literally if you listen to the sparkling sounds that surround her > minor-key melodies. She rarely sings the obvious note, takes chances and > nearly never stumbles; if Blue was painting, Hissing is figure skating. > Early in the routine, Joni invents a new move that raises the bar for > every performer after her: "The Jungle Line." Fusing her own poetry (and > moog) with African music, the two merge in a strange and (sometimes) > chilling way that has to be heard to be believed. It's a fearless > moment, but not the only one on The Hissing of Summer Lawns. For > example, "Shadows and Light" and "Harry's House - Centerpiece" capture a > dramatic element more akin to stagecraft than music. Joni Mitchell has > always followed the beat of a different drummer, but the rhythms were > growing increasingly complex for mainstream audiences. Half of Hissing > remains in Court, notably "In France They Kiss On Main Street" and "The > Boho Dance." The other half is slightly out of bounds, off the beaten > path, well worth following if you would a genius in one." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 07:09:07 -0700 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: Joni reading Phew! I was starting to think a writer at Rolling Stone had their heart broken by her and meant to punish her. Thanks for clearing that up. On Oct 9, 2012, at 5:14 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > > Was actually the "Worst Record TITLE of the Year"....still - undeserved. HOSL, like Hejira and DJRD that followed, was so much of an enigma in its time it could not be appreciated by most. > > Bob > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. 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If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 18:53:18 +0100 From: joe farrell Subject: re: photo link Cassy, Thanks for the new Ruby Lake photos link. I was so disappointed that i could not view your photos on the other link. I think the photos are wonderful. As others have pointed out Joni does seem to have aged quite a bit and i don't think the hairstyle helps. However she looked in good spirits on the night. Thanks for sharing. Regards, Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 08:14:44 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni reading Was actually the "Worst Record TITLE of the Year"....still - undeserved. HOSL, like Hejira and DJRD that followed, was so much of an enigma in its time it could not be appreciated by most. Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 07:51:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Dylan and Great Joni Songs Re: the Dylan/plagiarisim thing, I don't really remember what she said or the context, because context means a lot, but I agree with you about Joni's sometimes being a little (or at least coming across as) too opinionated and too quick to judge. I like honesty but there's a line between being honest and being hurtful. In any case, great artists steal from others all the time. From what Joni is quoted as saying about others, it seems that she doesn't care for too many other artists at all and I don't like it when anyone disses others. I also agree with you about "Cherokee Louise". I think Joni did a wonderful job of capturing what it was (is) like to be a girl at that age - still innocent and adventurous but having been suddenly exposed to the dark underbelly of the adult world. She captures that feeling in both the lyrics and the music. I do prefer the original version. I can't really get into "Travelogue" all that much, except in small doses. >________________________________ > From: Michel BYRNE >To: joni@smoe.org >Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 9:21:04 AM >Subject: Dylan and Great Joni Songs > >Hi Shari, I'm sure you'll find quite a lot of correspondence on the 'Dylan a >plagiarist' comments in the jmdl archives. To be honest it's not an episode I >like to revisit: although the issues raised are fascinating (what's >'originality' in art, what's 'plagiarism', etc), the spirit in which Joni >seems to have made her comments was (to me) unpardonably mean, and seriously >dented my admiration for her. I don't follow the music press very closely, >but I've never come across any other musician so willing to publicly diss >fellow musicians. I'm not sure where Joni's extreme competitiveness comes from >(insecurity? but why?), but combined with her unwillingness (or inability) to >self-censure her opinions, it presents a very unpleasant public image-- which >isn't to deny her great charm and humour in other situations. > >But forgetting the contentious personality, the great music remains-- and can >I make a pitch for *Cherokee Louise* as one of her *great* songs? I totally >agree with folk's comments about 'Magdalene Laundries', but to me CL is an >even more amazing work of empathetic art. There she manages to get into the >skin not of an adult looking back on youth, but of a young teenager reflecting >on her 'coming of age' in the past year (through her friendship with an abuse >victim) -- the mix of childish memories (swaying in the branches, pennies on >the rail) and premature adulthood (with a sense of the oppressiveness of >adults: parental control, the police, the abusive foster-dad) is perfectly >pitched and (imo) emotionally devastating. I love the guitar and ghostly >stacked vocals of the original (on NRH), but the orchestral version on >Travelogue is so beautiful too, especially the sad playful lines on the sax at >the very end (at least I think it's a sax), like children hopping, skipping >away into the distance. To me, Joni's genius in that song is equal to anything >she did earlier. > >Have been away or lurking for a long time, but thanks to you all for all the >discussions and reports, and Bob for his indefatigable providing of Joni >covers! >Michel ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2012 #1551 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------