From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #1522 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, October 4 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 1522 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Posts... [Anita G ] Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #1515 ["Gary Hanick" ] re: Anita's tale [c Karma ] Definitive Joni songs and what would you share [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 20:10:45 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Posts... On 04/10/2012, Victor Johnson wrote: > > *People are very real here and they 're going to express their opinions on > any variety of topics including aging or whether they think Joni could pull I reckon she could. The girl still has it, IMHO Anita x :~)) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 02:24:09 -0700 From: "Gary Hanick" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #1515 The press, especially RS, love to write Joni off. As far as her recent appearance, this is her home. What a blessing that she was willing to show herself to her biggest fans as she is, without "makeup". She's always real -- whether others like it or understand it, or whether they don't. I wish I could have been there to give her a big hug. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2012, at 12:22 AM, "JMDL Digest" wrote: > > JMDL Digest Thursday, October 4 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 1515 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > 4/10 from Rolling Stone [Betsy ] > Re: SJC: now Joni's album performance [Catherine McKay Re: Joni clunkers [Betsy ] > Fwd: SJC: now Joni's album performance [Anita JMDL etiquette, just a note [Les Irvin ] > Re: SJC: now Joni's album performance [Rose ] > Re: Joni clunkers [Michael Flaherty ] > Re: SJC: now Joni's album performance [Phyliss Ward ] > Re: JMDL etiquette, just a note [Shari Eaton ] > Re: Joni clunkers [Michael Flaherty ] > Re: SJC: now Joni's album performance [Dave Blackburn Re: Joni clunkers [Mitch Rustad ] > Fwd: SJC: now Joni's album performance [Anita Re: SJC: now Joni's album performance [LC Stanley > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 15:51:18 -0700 > From: Betsy > Subject: 4/10 from Rolling Stone > > Rolling Stone included Joni in a gallery of 13 rock stars who have disappeared. Its always nice to see her called a rock star. She received four recluse points. Within a week of a public appearance, no less! > > Tinyurl.com/8sj6rnm > > Betsy > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 08:46:08 -0700 (PDT) > From: Catherine McKay > Subject: Re: SJC: now Joni's album performance > > Like it or not, smoking does age a person. And let's not forget, she's almost > 70. I find that, now that I'm edging up to 60, there is often a rapid decline > in certain body parts. Almost overnight, even, unless we remain in denial for > quite a while and wake up suddenly and discover The Horror! The crepey neck > thing, for example - no wonder so many people, as they age, start wearing > turtlenecks! I'm sure there's no plastic surgery in the world that can handle > that. They can pull your face back and make you look like a cat person, but > what would they do with all the turkey wattles? Sorry if I'm grossing anyone > out, but you just have to laugh. I still think it's better just to > get wrinkly, rather than look like all the cat people out there. Don't get me > started on the young people that get "work" done when there's nothing wrong > with them (physically, anyway.) > > > >> ________________________________ >> From: > Dave Blackburn >> To: FMYFL@aol.com >> Cc: > Bob.Muller@Fluor.com; joni@smoe.org >> Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 > 10:46:15 AM >> Subject: Re: SJC: now Joni's album performance >> >> Are we all > perhaps skirting around the nearly sixty years of smoking causing her rapid > aging? >> >> On Oct 3, 2012, at 7:09 AM, fmyfl@aol.com wrote: >> >>> In a message > dated 10/3/2012 9:41:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >>> Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > writes: >>> >>>> Looking at the Ruby Lake pictures, >>>> she looks very frail > and like she's aged 40 years since I saw her in 1998. >>>> >>>> Bob >>>> >>> >>> > I think part of it has to do with the way she's wearing her hair. >>> >>> Jimmy > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 08:07:58 -0700 > From: Betsy > Subject: Re: Joni clunkers > > Azeem-I disagree with most of your opinions. They are perfectly valid, of course. Lots of people agree with you and think I'm insane. > >> I feel a bit out of step here, in that there are LOADS of Joni songs I can't stand. Mostly, they're recent. > > I also feel out of step, but the songs I can't stand are old. Whole albums, like LOC and Clouds, are difficult for me to listen to. I can't consume Blue in one sitting, although I enjoy most of the individual songs. > >> As for specific songs I don't like, some of the usual suspects: Dancing Fool, Lead Balloon, Empty, Reoccurring Dream. The Windfall is truly ugly. > > I like all of those, especially Reocurring Dream. And I think The Windfall is gorgeous. The only part that really bugs me is "you'd eat your young alive" because of the back story. > >> I can't listen to Shine, the album. I think it's *dreadful*! And Travelogue is, well, *shudder*. > > Shine grew on me. There are some excellent songs, and I love that Joni plays piano again. Bad Dreams has a wonderful intro. Travelogue has more good songs than bad, as well. I really enjoy Joni's singing more post-NRH, although I feel like her voice peaked about a decade earlier. > >> To me Joni is now a heritage act. > > It would be very sad to me if Joni had stopped making music before I was born. Having been raised on Wild Things Run Fast and Dog Eat Dog, I probably just have a different perspective than most. > >> Where I used to look forward to a new release, now I dread it. > > I'd at least like to hear more instrumentals, collaborations, or "hack" songwriting like Man From Mars, if she's not up for singing. Or more painting, if she doesn't want to make music. Whatever Joni does is interesting. > > Betsy > NP Borderline > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 17:51:48 +0100 > From: Anita > Subject: Fwd: SJC: now Joni's album performance > >> Joni was certainly very thin,but I don't think the photos do justice to her liveliness and energy on the day.To be absolutely honest,I thought the owl had called me to go to Ruby Lake and say good-bye.In some beliefs owls call at times of death.However, she seemed delighted by the evening and gave so much to people that,quite frankly,surprised me.She was very present,unlike me,and concentrated very much on talking in the present.I need to tell you that I personally experienced Joni in a very powerful way that I had not expected. Smoker,older,thinner but full of Grace -and more than I could ever,ever have hoped for. >> >> Anita x >> >> >> >> On 3 Oct 2012, at 17:27, Rose wrote: >> >>> After seeing the photos Bob, I have to concur....She has aged & looks very frail to me as well. >>> >>> Aging children, I am one >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 3, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: >>> >>>> It's funny in a way...in the brilliant 1985 Rock Master Class interview, >>>> she talks about being older and performing in a way that she is a >>>> chanteuse talk-singing her songs, and she humorously does a brief >>>> performance of "The Last Time I Saw Richard" in that style. 30 years on, >>>> that's about all I imagine she can do. Looking at the Ruby Lake pictures, >>>> she looks very frail and like she's aged 40 years since I saw her in 1998. >>>> >>>> Bob >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> The information transmitted is intended only for the person >>>> or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >>>> proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. >>>> If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are >>>> hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, >>>> distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon >>>> this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please >>>> contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. >>>> >>>> Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual >>>> sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 11:11:08 -0600 > From: Les Irvin > Subject: JMDL etiquette, just a note > > Joniphiles - > Love all the activity as of late! Just a note, please remember NOT to > copy the entire digest back to the list as a part of your reply. It > helps with readability and eliminates unnecessary clutter. > Thanks! > Les > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 15:41:02 -0400 > From: Rose > Subject: Re: SJC: now Joni's album performance > > More like genetics & the sun.... > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 3, 2012, at 10:46 AM, Dave Blackburn wrote: > >> Are we all perhaps skirting around the nearly sixty years of smoking causing her rapid aging? >> >> On Oct 3, 2012, at 7:09 AM, fmyfl@aol.com wrote: >> >>> In a message dated 10/3/2012 9:41:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >>> Bob.Muller@Fluor.com writes: >>> >>>> Looking at the Ruby Lake pictures, >>>> she looks very frail and like she's aged 40 years since I saw her in 1998. >>>> >>>> Bob >>>> >>> >>> I think part of it has to do with the way she's wearing her hair. >>> >>> Jimmy > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 09:38:21 -0700 (PDT) > From: Michael Flaherty > Subject: Re: Joni clunkers > >> I'm a proponent of the theory that Joni hasn't made a GREAT album since > Mingus, hasn't written a truly GREAT song since Chinese CafC), and has only > written a handful of very good songs since then (Man From Mars, Ethiopia, Come > In From The Cold, a few others). > > >> I can't listen to Shine, the album. I > think it's *dreadful*! And Travelogue is, well, *shudder*. > > > I agree with some > of this. I do think Mingus (plus S+L) is her last great album. I don't think > CC is the last great song she's written, but I do love it more than anything > she's written since. And I can't bear BSN or Travelogue. > > However, I do think > a lot of her other post-Mingus albums are a good listen, particularly WTRF, > NRH, and TI. Not great, but I obviously get more from them than you do. > > I > will say that while I don't "hate" them, TtT and Shine do very little for me. > I can listen to them, and that's about it. > > Michael F. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 15:11:26 -0400 > From: Phyliss Ward > Subject: Re: SJC: now Joni's album performance > > I concur with Anita. Joni was full of spirit, chatty, laughing, smiling. It was frankly a relief to me as I had been concerned about her health. > Interesting to hear you say you we're not present Anita. I thought I was but was totally amazed when the evening was over. Many hours went by in the blink of an eye. After the group shot I looked around and she was gone. I didn't even see her leave. Where was I? > We need to debrief one day... > > Phyliss > > On Oct 3, 2012, at 12:51 PM, Anita wrote: > >>> Joni was certainly very thin,but I don't think the photos do justice to her liveliness and energy on the day.To be absolutely honest,I thought the owl had called me to go to Ruby Lake and say good-bye.In some beliefs owls call at times of death.However, she seemed delighted by the evening and gave so much to people that,quite frankly,surprised me.She was very present,unlike me,and concentrated very much on talking in the present.I need to tell you that I personally experienced Joni in a very powerful way that I had not expected. Smoker,older,thinner but full of Grace -and more than I could ever,ever have hoped for. >>> >>> Anita x >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3 Oct 2012, at 17:27, Rose wrote: >>> >>>> After seeing the photos Bob, I have to concur....She has aged & looks very frail to me as well. >>>> >>>> Ag > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 10:39:29 -0700 > From: Shari Eaton > Subject: Re: JMDL etiquette, just a note > > To avoid sending double emails I remove the specific addresses and leave only the Joni List address. Is that proper lister etiquette? If not - please enlighten the group. > > > > On Oct 3, 2012, at 10:11 AM, Les Irvin wrote: > >> Joniphiles - >> Love all the activity as of late! Just a note, please remember NOT to copy the entire digest back to the list as a part of your reply. It helps with readability and eliminates unnecessary clutter. >> Thanks! >> Les > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 09:43:30 -0700 (PDT) > From: Michael Flaherty > Subject: Re: Joni clunkers > >> It would be very sad to me if Joni had stopped making music before I was > born. Having been raised on Wild Things Run Fast and Dog Eat Dog, I probably > just have a different perspective than most. > > That makes sense. I'm older > (okay, a lot older) than you, but the Geffen albums did come out while I was > young and had been seriously listening to Joni less than a decade, and I do > think that changes perspectives. Still, I can't say those albums have lasted > like the 70s albums have. > > Michael F. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 07:46:15 -0700 > From: Dave Blackburn > Subject: Re: SJC: now Joni's album performance > > Are we all perhaps skirting around the nearly sixty years of smoking causing her rapid aging? > > On Oct 3, 2012, at 7:09 AM, fmyfl@aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 10/3/2012 9:41:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >> Bob.Muller@Fluor.com writes: >> >>> Looking at the Ruby Lake pictures, >>> she looks very frail and like she's aged 40 years since I saw her in 1998. >>> >>> Bob >>> >> >> I think part of it has to do with the way she's wearing her hair. >> >> Jimmy > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 12:01:08 -0400 > From: Mitch Rustad > Subject: Re: Joni clunkers > > Have to crawl out of lurkdom here to chime in ... love the early stuff the most overall, but without a doubt, 'newer' songs like Two Grey Rooms, Slouching Towards bethlehem, Borderline, Turbulent Indigo, Last Chance Lost, Man From Mars, This Place (to name a few) are absolute gems and this comes from someone who is really centered on the For The Roses/Court and Spark era ... food for thought- I really disliked Heijira at first, comparing it to Court and Spark, and missed out on 'Amelia' for years, so just goes to show ... > > that said, I barely listen to Travelogue, so I get your point ... Mitch > > > On Oct 3, 2012, at 11:07 AM, Betsy wrote: > >> Azeem-I disagree with most of your opinions. They are perfectly valid, of course. Lots of people agree with you and think I'm insane. >> >>> I feel a bit out of step here, in that there are LOADS of Joni songs I can't stand. Mostly, they're recent. >> >> I also feel out of step, but the songs I can't stand are old. Whole albums, like LOC and Clouds, are difficult for me to listen to. I can't consume Blue in one sitting, although I enjoy most of the individual songs. >> >>> As for specific songs I don't like, some of the usual suspects: Dancing Fool, Lead Balloon, Empty, Reoccurring Dream. The Windfall is truly ugly. >> >> I like all of those, especially Reocurring Dream. And I think The Windfall is gorgeous. The only part that really bugs me is "you'd eat your young alive" because of the back story. >> >>> I can't listen to Shine, the album. I think it's *dreadful*! And Travelogue is, well, *shudder*. >> >> Shine grew on me. There are some excellent songs, and I love that Joni plays piano again. Bad Dreams has a wonderful intro. Travelogue has more good songs than bad, as well. I really enjoy Joni's singing more post-NRH, although I feel like her voice peaked about a decade earlier. >> >>> To me Joni is now a heritage act. >> >> It would be very sad to me if Joni had stopped making music before I was born. Having been raised on Wild Things Run Fast and Dog Eat Dog, I probably just have a different perspective than most. >> >>> Where I used to look forward to a new release, now I dread it. >> >> I'd at least like to hear more instrumentals, collaborations, or "hack" songwriting like Man From Mars, if she's not up for singing. Or more painting, if she doesn't want to make music. Whatever Joni does is interesting. >> >> Betsy >> NP Borderline > > Mitch Rustad > www.mitchrustad.com > 646-319-4282 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 23:41:35 +0100 > From: Anita > Subject: Fwd: SJC: now Joni's album performance > >> Looked very happy to me last week.Probably has good and bad days like the rest of us. >> Anita >> >> >> On 3 Oct 2012, at 23:22, Gerald Kent wrote: >> >>> She once wrote that happiness was the best face lift. Given her nasty and resentful rants over the recent years (I.e., Bob Dylan is a fraud) it appears as though she missed out on the benefit of happiness. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 22:09:33 -0500 > From: LC Stanley > Subject: Re: SJC: now Joni's album performance > > Joni was full of life, beautiful but frail. Georgio made her look even more frail because he's so big and strong. When she left, he escorted her from the amphitheater, whisked her away. She had misplaced her purse and was troubled by that, but somebody with her had it they were saying. > > Speaking of frail, my 9 year old chihuahua died a tragic death today. Some idiots thought it would be more humane to hook his cable to a trolley system so the picketed until it became law. Basically he got tangled and choked. My heart is broken. > > > On Oct 3, 2012, at 2:11 PM, Phyliss Ward wrote: > >> I concur with Anita. Joni was full of spirit, chatty, laughing, smiling. It was frankly a relief to me as I had been concerned about her health. >> Interesting to hear you say you we're not present Anita. I thought I was but was totally amazed when the evening was over. Many hours went by in the blink of an eye. After the group shot I looked around and she was gone. I didn't even see her leave. Where was I? >> We need to debrief one day... >> >> Phyliss >> >> On Oct 3, 2012, at 12:51 PM, Anita wrote: >> >>>> Joni was certainly very thin,but I don't think the photos do justice to her liveliness and energy on the day.To be absolutely honest,I thought the owl had called me to go to Ruby Lake and say good-bye.In some beliefs owls call at times of death.However, she seemed delighted by the evening and gave so much to people that,quite frankly,surprised me.She was very present,unlike me,and concentrated very much on talking in the present.I need to tell you that I personally experienced Joni in a very powerful way that I had not expected. Smoker,older,thinner but full of Grace -and more than I could ever,ever have hoped for. >>>> >>>> Anita x >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 3 Oct 2012, at 17:27, Rose wrote: >>>> >>>>> After seeing the photos Bob, I have to concur....She has aged & looks very frail to me as well. >>>>> >>>>> Ag > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2012 #1515 > ****************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 16:55:49 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: re: Anita's tale That was a wonderful and vivid depiction of a beautiful evening. Congratulations to you for that experience. One thing brought a smile to me, especially: "Giorgio had mentioned that day on an email that he would be choosing some folk to go and pay tribute to Joni at the end of the event" NPIMH: The "Godfather" score. CC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 11:05:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Definitive Joni songs and what would you share Combining two requests from members into one. I doubt I could ever name one single "definitive" Joni song, much the same as I couldn't do a one-size-fits-all compilation album for anyone. She has had various phases she has gone through, so you'd need to find a single song (if you dare) that might define each period and not one single song that defines her. And, when it comes to compiling things, trying to give someone who had never heard her a taste of her work, then I'd need to do that based on the individual I might be trying to convert (or impress, as the case may be.) To be honest, I'm just too damn lazy to even begin with that. I've done it once or twice, but that was a while back and I don't remember what I included. I can never make my mind up about what I think is my favourite, or her best, so I'd have to go by process of elimination and would probably end up with at least 30 songs. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 10:09:46 -0400 (EDT) From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: SJC: now Joni's album performance In a message dated 10/3/2012 9:41:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com writes: > Looking at the Ruby Lake pictures, > she looks very frail and like she's aged 40 years since I saw her in 1998. > > Bob > I think part of it has to do with the way she's wearing her hair. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 12:27:49 -0400 From: Rose Subject: Re: SJC: now Joni's album performance After seeing the photos Bob, I have to concur....She has aged & looks very frail to me as well. Aging children, I am one Sent from my iPhone On Oct 3, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > It's funny in a way...in the brilliant 1985 Rock Master Class interview, > she talks about being older and performing in a way that she is a > chanteuse talk-singing her songs, and she humorously does a brief > performance of "The Last Time I Saw Richard" in that style. 30 years on, > that's about all I imagine she can do. Looking at the Ruby Lake pictures, > she looks very frail and like she's aged 40 years since I saw her in 1998. > > Bob > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2012 #1522 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------