From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #1287 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, September 5 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 1287 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #1282 [Angel Diva Music ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 18:22:04 -0700 From: Angel Diva Music Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #1282 Hi there, How do I get an email just once a day? Thanks, Jan Angel Diva Music jan@angeldivamusic.com On Sep 5, 2012, at 12:00 AM, JMDL Digest wrote: > > JMDL Digest Wednesday, September 5 2012 Volume 2012 : > Number 1282 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: Cactus Tree - The 1st Performance ["Eaton, Shari" ] > Re: Urge for Going ["Pat Boland" >] > Re: Joni appearance, for real. [Michael Flaherty >] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 10:55:56 -0700 > From: "Eaton, Shari" > Subject: Re: Cactus Tree - The 1st Performance > > Wow the difference between this line is quite remarkable > > For she fears that one will ask her > For eternity > > As she fears no one will ask her > For eternity > > > Her ultimate conflict! Cheers Simon and Sue. This is a wonderful. > > > > > On Sep 4, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: > >> These early performances are such gems. Thanks Simon! The choice >> of words > aside I think the act of performing only what was current on her > creative > palette is something Joni continued to do, sometimes to the chagrin > of her > fans. Another example of this was her version of All I Want at what > was > called the "pink dress" performance. I'm hoping that my fumbling will > continue to entice you to send us more of these marvelous emails, > Simon!!! > And more again, Please!! :-) >> >> Susan Tierney McNamara >> email: sem8@cornell.edu >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: simon@icu.com [mailto:simon@icu.com] >> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 8:46 PM >> To: joni@smoe.org >> Cc: Susan Tierney McNamara >> Subject: Cactus Tree - The 1st Performance >> >> Susan Tierney McNamara wrote >> >> >>> Subject: RE: CONVERSATION: early (longer) version >>> >>> You will find as you listen to a lot of these early concerts that >>> Joni > brought to her sets these embryonic songs >>> that are standards today. I remember on one set she says "I wrote >>> this > song today" and then proceeds to sing >>> a rough but incredible version of Cactus Tree, singing "she hopes >>> that one > will ask her for eternity" a line she >>> quickly changed later. >>> >>> >>> >>> I think with both this song and the longer Conversation, Joni >>> edits down to > a version that is more universal, >>> and she takes out some of the more angry primary color >>> emotions ... a great > look into Joni's writing process >>> and why she is such an amazing songwriter. >>> >>> Sue >>> - - - - - >> >> >> Sue, >> >> FWIW - I wouldn't describe any of Joni's performances of New Songs as > "embryonic" >> >> Rarely do we ever actually hear a song that isn't "nearly" >> complete. Misc. > words and phrases are sometimes changed between an early performance > and the > album version, but these changes are not usually that dramatic. >> >> OTOH: She removed the 3rd verse of "Conversation" from the LOTC >> recording, > before release; >> And added a 5th verse to "Cactus Tree" >> >> >> As for "Cactus Tree" >> >> Although it's been widely bootlegged, I'm not sure many JMDL >> members are > familiar with this particular recording, and why it's interesting > and unique. >> >> It's the first public performance of a then new song "Cactus Tree" >> >> Here's how Joni introduced the song that night: >> >> "Cactus Tree" - Introduction >> >> This song I just wrote today, so if you notice the melody sort >> of varies > verse to verse. >> It's because I haven't really decided on a few things, so I'm >> throwing > them all out at you. >> Everytime I hear whispering, I'll take that part out . doesn't >> hold > their attention there. >> >> >> There are several differences between this recording and the version > eventually recorded for "SONG TO A SEAGULL". >> The verses appear in a different order ... AND, the last verse, >> the 'Killer > Kyle' verse, is not yet been present. >> - - - - - >> >> >> I transcribed and typed out the Lyrics as performed at the 2nd Fret, > side-by-side with the lyrics from the Album. >> >> The Lyrics and the Song have been UpLoaded via YouSendIt. >> >> You can download both @ http://tinyurl.com/9jc4ypj >> - - - - - >> >> >> By the time Joni performed at The Canterbury House in Ann Arbor, >> MI. (Oct. > 27), she had completed "Cactus Tree". >> All verses were present as released on SONG TO A SEAGULL. >> >> However, she announced it as a new song titled "Cactus Flower" >> >> >> >> >> andmoreagain, >> - - - - - - - - - >> simonM >> >> http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 03:02:06 +1000 > From: "Pat Boland" > Subject: Re: Urge for Going > > Joey, > > That explains a lot. What I recall as clear as anything is that Joni > always said when she came to it in her set was that UFG was > absolutely her > favorite of all the songs she'd written. > > Cool huh? > > Cheers > > - > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ""Urge for Going" is actually the Third Song Joni ever Wrote (After > "Day by > Day" & > "What will you give me?") and was so good that Chuck Mitchell then > thought > of starting > a Publishing Company. " Urge for Going" was actually finished by > September > of 1965." > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 07:18:44 -0700 (PDT) > From: Michael Flaherty > Subject: Re: Joni appearance, for real. > > Okay, I am NOT saying this isn't real (how would I know?) and I am > not saying > people shouldn't go (it might be fun). > > However, this does remind me of the > Joni thing in NYC a number of years ago. The promoters said Joni > would be > there, or at least it sounded that way. Then speculation here that > she might > play turned into guessing which songs she WOULD play (I'm pretty > sure no one > involved ever said she would be on stage.) > > And then she didn't come. Turns > out she was (as I recall) invited, but she never said she would > attend. > > Now I > know some people had a great time, but some were pretty angry as > well (some of > it aimed at Joni, which wasn't fair). > > So all I'm saying is go to this if > you'll have fun even if Joni doesn't show. And certainly don't go > with the > assumption that she'll do anymore than watch the movie with you. > > If it IS > true, I can't wait to hear about it! If it were closer I'd check it > out > myself. :) > > Michael F. > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2012 #1282 > ****************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2012 #1287 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------