From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #1278 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, September 4 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 1278 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Conversation - A 3rd Verse! [simon@icu.com] Fwd: Keyword News: [Joni Mitchell] [Jamie Zubairi ] Volunteer Needed for Typing & Translation - Italian to English [est86mlm@] Re: Joni appearance, for real. [LC Stanley ] Re: Joni appearance, for real. [Anita ] Re: Joni MItchell and Tom Jones [Patti Parlette ] Re: Joni appearance, for real. [LC Stanley ] Re: Joni appearance, for real. [Shari Eaton ] ReSend - Urge For Going - Tom Rush 1966 [simon@icu.com] Joni appearance, for real. [Les Irvin ] Urge for Going [JOSEPHBMCGOWAN@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2012 18:33:26 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Conversation - A 3rd Verse! Just came across another older post sitting in my JMDL mailbox Michel BYRNE wrote > Subject: CONVERSATION: early (longer) version > > Hi folks, just wondering if anybody's heard this before-- an early live version of Conversation, > with an extra verse that takes the story (and the dilemma) further. The guitar's still tentative, > not really settled into the syncopated rhythm yet. Think she was right to cut that third verse?... > > > > Best wishes to all. > Michel Michel, This performance of "Conversation" was recorded at the 2nd Fret - Philadelphia, PA. - Oct. 12, 1967 And you're correct, there's a 3rd Verse. A verse not included on the LADIES OF THE CANYON album. I'm a little surprised that more people apparently haven't noticed. What's really interesting is the 3rd verse was included in the LOTC SongBook. Here's how Joni introduced the song that night at the 2nd Fret: "Sometime a best friend wont tell a best friend really - anything near the truth. Because they dont know it themselves. This is a song about a triangle." I typed out the Lyrics side-by-side with the lyrics from the Album. There is a slight difference between the published 3rd verse and the 3rd verse as sung at the 2nd Fret. I UpLoaded the Song and the Lyric (2 pages) via YouSendIt. You can DownLoad both @ http://tinyurl.com/bt95olm One last point, although I can't say that this is the first performance of "Conversation", it is the earliest recording I know of. andmoreagain, - - - - - - - - - - simonM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 23:34:34 +0100 From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Fwd: Keyword News: [Joni Mitchell] I'm loving the Mutts' review here! (maybe this has been posted before) Much Joni Jamie Zubairi Actor, Artist, VoiceOver, Sent via iPhone so please excuse the brevity and possible typos! Begin forwarded message: > From: "Yahoo! Alerts" > Date: 3 September 2012 13:10:28 GMT+01:00 > To: jamiezubairi@yahoo.co.uk > Subject: Keyword News: [Joni Mitchell] > Reply-To: "Yahoo! Alerts" > > Yahoo! Alerts Yahoo! News - My Alerts - Edit Alert > Monday, September 03, 2012 5:10 AM PDT > New 'gateway' to Elmwood Park Zoo in Norristown to open soon > Montgomery Life Mon, 03 Sep 2012 00:35 AM PDT > C"BBThey paved paradise and put up a parking lot,C"BB sang Joni Mitchell, but for Elmwood Park Zoo, that parking lot happens to be a paradise. > > Comments > San Diego Reader Sun, 02 Sep 2012 16:03 PM PDT > Last night's Robin Adler & Mutts of the Planet concert celebrating the music of Joni Mitchell was huge success on every conceivable level--and like a classical music performance--much of the credit is due both to the performers and the composer. > > > > > See more news stories that match my keyword > > > You received this email because you subscribed to Yahoo! Alerts. Use this link to unsubscribe from this alert. To change your communications preferences for other Yahoo! business lines, please visit your Marketing Preferences. To learn more about Yahoo!'s use of personal information, including the use of web beacons in HTML-based email, please read our Privacy Policy. Yahoo! is located at 701 First Avenue, Sunnyvale, CA 94089. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 19:20:11 -0700 (PDT) From: LC Stanley Subject: Re: Joni appearance, for real. I have the urge for going. ________________________________ From: Les Irvin To: Joni List Sent: Monday, September 3, 2012 7:14 PM Subject: Joni appearance, for real. September 22, at Ruby Lake Resort on the Sunshine coast. http://www.rubylakeresort.com/joni-mitchell-film-screening.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2012 21:35:42 -0500 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Volunteer Needed for Typing & Translation - Italian to English Looking for a volunteer who can type and translate an Italian magazine article for the JM.com Library. Will forward the pdf. Thank you! Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 20:17:51 -0700 (PDT) From: LC Stanley Subject: Re: Joni appearance, for real. Anita, You don't buy tickets on that website... it just has you reserve them. I did it just in case. We like your idea about Joni wanting to play for a small crowd. Idealistic but awesome! I'm searching for more information before I'm drive into town. Love, Laura ________________________________ From: Anita G To: LC Stanley Cc: Les Irvin ; Joni List Sent: Monday, September 3, 2012 10:07 PM Subject: Re: Joni appearance, for real. Curious. It's 4.05 am here and I do tend to attach some magical significance to things that have happened to me Joni related. Many of these I have shared on the List over the years and many others have also shared of their experiences of synchronicity related to Joni's music. Today I signed back on to the full list after being a Digest person whilst the Olympics have been on. I was awoken by an owl around 2.00 am screeching loudly on a tree near my window and, for some reason did something that I never,ever do. I got up, looked out the window and looked at my emails on my ipod! There was Les' email about this event (which wouldn't have come yet on the Digest, I think) - and Steph and I have a week off that very week of the 22nd and she just said today about going to a log cabin near a Lake (not many of those over here). I then created a scenario in my mind in which Joni, now not wanting or maybe being able to play much these days, helps out some local buddies (where maybe she likes to go and eat or hang out) end of season by offering an opportunity to fill the resort once more before Winter. My other scenario (my more magical thinking) is that maybe she is putting out a call for those who fancy meeting together, enjoying good food and a natural environment to see her 'play' once more alongside her. Her own Joni Fest. Then, dear Laura, reality steps in from your email and this could, indeed, be Joni locals trying to make a buck. So, do I book the flights? I think I might just hit the sack before I blow my life savings! Love to everyone Anita On 04/09/2012, LC Stanley wrote: > Marianne is on the phone with me, and we are wondering... > > This feels fishy. > > Painting with Words and Music came out in 2004 so why would a screening be > hosted now? > > What are we missing here? > > Is something mistaken on the invite. > > It is not all making complete sense... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 02:43:03 +0100 From: Anita Subject: Re: Joni appearance, for real. Wow,what an amazing night this sounds!Steph was saying she wanted to go and stay somewhere in a log cabin.Guess 8,000 miles for the week end will be pushing it or maybe I am getting old.Sure hope a lister makes it. Anita x On 4 Sep 2012, at 01:14, Les Irvin wrote: > September 22, at Ruby Lake Resort on the Sunshine coast. > http://www.rubylakeresort.com/joni-mitchell-film-screening.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 03:06:45 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Re: Joni MItchell and Tom Jones Catherine wrote: "I have to agree with you, Mark, on how innocent Joni looks in that picture. That dress is very old-fashioned. Joni wears everything well, IMO, and most of what she wore back then stands the test of time. I don't think this one does. she does remind me of early Dolly Parton or Lorette Lynn or someone like that." "Butcher Holler." LOL, Markly! "Speculation, well who's to know?" Maybe Myrtle gave it to her so she'd look like Kitty Wells. Love to all, Patti P., out on some borderline "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 19:36:06 -0700 (PDT) From: LC Stanley Subject: Re: Joni appearance, for real. Marianne is on the phone with me, and we are wondering... This feels fishy. Painting with Words and Music came out in 2004 so why would a screening be hosted now? What are we missing here? Is something mistaken on the invite. It is not all making complete sense... ________________________________ From: Anita To: Les Irvin Cc: Joni List Sent: Monday, September 3, 2012 8:43 PM Subject: Re: Joni appearance, for real. Wow,what an amazing night this sounds!Steph was saying she wanted to go and stay somewhere in a log cabin.Guess 8,000 miles for the week end will be pushing it or maybe I am getting old.Sure hope a lister makes it. Anita x On 4 Sep 2012, at 01:14, Les Irvin wrote: > September 22, at Ruby Lake Resort on the Sunshine coast. > http://www.rubylakeresort.com/joni-mitchell-film-screening.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 18:50:24 -0700 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: Joni appearance, for real. I'm certainly tempted but am kind of hoping the event tours. That would be a very expensive dinner and film. Curious to learn about the film though. On Sep 3, 2012, at 6:43 PM, Anita wrote: > Wow,what an amazing night this sounds!Steph was saying she wanted to go and stay somewhere in a log cabin.Guess 8,000 miles for the week end will be pushing it or maybe I am getting old.Sure hope a lister makes it. > > Anita x > > > > On 4 Sep 2012, at 01:14, Les Irvin wrote: > >> September 22, at Ruby Lake Resort on the Sunshine coast. >> http://www.rubylakeresort.com/joni-mitchell-film-screening.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2012 17:30:28 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: ReSend - Urge For Going - Tom Rush 1966 Once again somehow I screwed up the TinyURL included in a recent message. Here's the corrected URL for the message below. The scans and information are contained in a pdf.file that can be downloaded at - - - - - - Last April a number of questions were raised about the recording date of the URGE FOR GOING 7", 45rpm Single by Tom Rush. Richard Flynn wrote > > Subject: Rush 45 rpm recording of UFG: date? > > I've seen that 1966 date for the single of UFG in discographies, but are we sure about that? > The single version on the reissue of TR's album _The Circle Game_ lists it as 1968. The liner > notes say he met Joni in Detroit "late in 1966" and that it was "several months after he passed > a tape of his version to the massively influential Boston radio station, WBZ. > > Joni recalls in this 1968 interview > > that she had "just written it" when she performed it on "Let's Sing Out" October 24, 1966 and > that Dave Van Ronk asked for it, even as he & Patrick Sky made a bunch of sexist jokes on the set. > > Tom Rush took the song after that, tried to shop it to Judy Collins, and then recorded himself, > sent the tape to the radio station where it received a lot of airplay. When Elektra eventually released > the single version, it didn't go anywhere. > > Seems like a lot to transpire between October and the end of 1966, if Rush's UFG was truly released > as a single that year. It does seem likely that Rush could have recorded it that year. > - - - - - Yes Richard, I am sure about the 1966 recording and release date. The 1968 date included in the 40 Anniversary Edition of Tom's album THE CIRCLE GAME is wrong. Also Joni had "just written it" when she performed on the Canadian TV program LET'S SING OUT #77, recorded on Oct. 4, 1965 and broadcast on Oct. 14, 1965. Dave Van Ronk also appeared on this program. The producers recorded enough material for -2- programs. LET'S SING OUT #78 was broadcast on Oct. 21, 1965 and featured Joni along with Patrick Sky. The Chapins (including Harry) appeared on both programs. Joni recalls in this interview JM: "The URGE FOR GOING I wrote after the second Mariposa I ever went to ..." ZZ: And Tom Rush happened to pick up on it? JM: Actually, Dave van Ronk was the first. I met Dave and Patrick Sky in Winnepeg in September or October. I had just written it so it must have been October. They were doing a Canadian television show called Sing Out, and I thought that once again ... it was sort of following Mariposa, I was shaky and thought I was awful and amateurish and I wasn't growing fast enough. And I could feel how good my peers were; I could feel how amateurish I was, and I really needed encouragement. They didn't give me any as far as I could see. I was that insecure about my writing. I really thought it was awful. Joni first attended the Mariposa Folk Festival in 1964. - - - - - - Richard's post continued > In his interview with Wally Breese, > Tom Rush recalled that the single (based on the WBZ recording) came out about the same time as the album: > > WB: In November of '66, Joni was on a radio show and she said that you'd already recorded "The Circle Game," > but the album that contains the song didn't make the charts until April of '68, so I'm wondering was there > a different single version that was out earlier? > > TR: It was a very odd thing. I first recorded "Urge for Going," actually. It was on a tape that I gave to my buddies > at WBZ in Boston, I had some friends there. Access was so easy in those days. I had a show at WHRB and my friends > Jefferson Kay and Dick Summer had shows on WBZ and I kind of thought we were on a par. I didn't know at that time > what "50,000 watt clear channel" meant, but they had the most powerful signal allowable by law on a frequency > that nobody else occupied and these guys got mail from New Zealand sometimes when the ionosphere was right. > I still get people from Ohio who come up to me and say, "When me and the Mrs. was courtin', we'd go up on the bluff > on Sunday night where we could get WBZ." They had a huge listenership. So I gave a tape of "Urge for Going" to > Jefferson Kay, he played it and it became the most requested song on the station. It was very, very popular. I think > partly because the only way you could hear it was to call up and ask for it. This was before cassette recorders were common. > Reel to reel tape recorders were pretty exotic. Not too many people had them. So if you wanted to hear this song you had > to call up and request it. When it finally did come out on disc as a single, I think the single came out about the same time > as the album, but my recollection may be flawed. But when it finally did come out, none of the other stations in Boston > would touch it. > WB: Because it had the WBZ stamp on it. > > TR: Exactly. It was owned by WBZ and it was still the number one single in Boston for a while. > > WB: The number one selling single? Great! Was the version that you gave to WBZ a live version or one you recorded in a studio? > > TR: It was done in a studio with Bruce Langhorne playing guitar. It was substantially the same as the one that appeared on the album. > It just took a long time to finish that album and I don't know why Elektra gave me permission to release that tape. Maybe they didn't, > maybe I just did it, but in the meanwhile, James Taylor and Jackson Browne had come out of the woodwork and along with Joni, > somehow the three of them were kindred spirits artistically. They were all writing songs that were folky but weren't. Just writing some > wonderful stuff. So The Circle Game album was really a special project because it was a discovery for me of three wonderfully talented > writers. > - - - - - So I checked my files and scanned some information from THE BROADSIDE - FOLK MUSIC and COFFEE HOUSE NEWS. I also scanned the liner note to two albums by George Hamilton IV. The scans and information are contained in a pdf.file that can be downloaded at Here's what you will find: Page 1+2: The BROADSIDE - June 22, 1966 There is a chance that "The Urge For Going" by Tom Rush will be released as a single in the fall. Page 3-5: The BROADSIDE - Sept. 28, 1966 TOM RUSH IN OCTOBER CONCERT - A new single was due for release this week. "URGE FOR GOING" NEW RUSH SINGLE A release of "Urge For Going" on a 45 rpm single by Tom Rush has been scheduled for Wednesday , September 21. It will be on Elektra, or its subsidiary, Bounty. Listeners who have heard the version as played by some of the WBZ dj's will be surprised to find some differences. Bass, second guitar, and piano have been added to this cutting, and two verses have been dropped to bring it down to a length convenient for air play. Page 6+7: The BROADSIDE - Oct. 12, 1966 dear BROADSIDE: Through word of mouth, many small items in different issues of BROADSIDE and other medias of communication, there has been so much said of the song by Joni Mitchell. ''The Urge For Going." If I have all my information correct, I understand that Tom Rush has finally recorded it. Is there chance of BROADSIDE printing this song as originally written by Joni Mitchell in a forthcoming issue? (Joni has promised us lead sheets for "Urge" and permission to print it. We are waiting for them to arrive Ed. Page 8-10: The BROADSIDE - Nov. 23, 1966 Lead sheet for "The Urge For Going" was printed, along with some unfortunate news. Page 11+12: The BROADSIDE - Feb. 1, 1967 DIGGIN DETROIT Ed Treanor Also, George Hamilton IV has just released Joni Mitchell's "Urge For Going" backed with Phil Ochs' "Changes" for RCA. The trade mags list it as a "Top 10" country pick. NOTE: George Hamilton first heard the Tom Rush recording of "The Urge For Going" on WBZ radio. Page 13+14: The BROADSIDE - April 26, 1967 "Urge " is now number 9 on the C&W charts, as recorded by George Hamilton IV, and interest is running high in a number of other of Joni's songs. Pages 16-21: Covers and Liner Note for two albums by George Hamilton IV - - - - - - One last point about the dating of the URGE FOR GOING 45rpm, 7" Single by Tom Rush. I personally owned a copy in 1967. Hope I've cleared this up. Take Care. andmoreagain, - - - - - - - - - - simonM http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2012 18:14:19 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Joni appearance, for real. September 22, at Ruby Lake Resort on the Sunshine coast. http://www.rubylakeresort.com/joni-mitchell-film-screening.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 23:49:52 -0400 (EDT) From: JOSEPHBMCGOWAN@aol.com Subject: Urge for Going "Urge for Going" is actually the Third Song Joni ever Wrote (After "Day by Day" & "What will you give me?") and was so good that Chuck Mitchell then thought of starting a Publishing Company. " Urge for Going" was actually finished by September of 1965. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2012 #1278 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------