From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #1277 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, September 3 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 1277 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Original version of Jericho? [simon@icu.com] Re: back in the day... part 2 [Shari Eaton ] back in the day... part 2 ["Pat Boland" ] RE: Urge For Going - Tom Rush 1966 ["Richard Flynn" ] Joni Covers, Volume 151 - LABOR of love [Bob Muller ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2012 17:20:58 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Original version of Jericho? Michael Flaherty wrote > Subject: Re: Original version of Jericho? > > I've always found it odd that having released Jericho on a major live release, > she then released a studio version. Odd in a good way, but still .... It's interesting to note ... Both "Jericho" and "Love Or Money" from MILES OF AISLES are actually Studio Recordings. The applause at the end of each song was a studio addition, added later. It's kind of obvious, once you listen closely. Interesting ... - - - - - - On a seperate note, Bob Muller wrote > Well, I would say that the 1972 release of UFG as the B-side of "You Turn Me On..." is the original. > Joni's original, that is. I for one would say that Tom Rush's 1966 recording of the song counts as the > original, but you know how I am with Joni covers. The 1972 45rpm Single release of "Urge For Going" is actually the 3rd Studio Version Joni recorded. "Urge For Going" was definitely recorded during sessions for SONG TO A SEAGULL, along with a number of other early songs. "Urge For Going" is also one of Joni's earliest songs. One of the first ten songs written. And the last of the early songs to be officially released. andmoreagain, - - - - - - - - - - simonM http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 12:17:54 -0700 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: back in the day... part 2 You are most blessed! Do you have any recordings of your music from back then? Or if you care to recount any tales, I'm all ears... Shari On Sep 3, 2012, at 9:43 AM, "Pat Boland" wrote: > my fb cover pic: > > http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151007185947098&set=a.10151007185922098.428358.619417097&type=1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 02:43:27 +1000 From: "Pat Boland" Subject: back in the day... part 2 my fb cover pic: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151007185947098&set=a.10151007185922098.428358.619417097&type=1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 17:51:53 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Urge For Going - Tom Rush 1966 Thanks for clearing that up, Simon. I also uncovered the following info that confirms the 1966 date, which I show with pictures here: http://alturl.com/7suek The short version is that the Rush single lists Gandalf Music as the publisher of UFG. Chuck Mitchell recalled the history of Gandalf Publishing here: http://www.jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1892 Siquomb is the publisher of Joni's music on my first pressing of STAS, so if the Rush single was released later than 1967, it would have listed Siquomb. (I base this on the listed publisher on Ian & Sylvia's _So Much for Dreaming_ (1966) and Buffy Sainte Marie's _Fire & Fleet & Candlelight_ (1967) both of which list Gandalf as publisher for "Circle Game" and on The Sainte-Marie, "Song to a Seagull". Richard PS I got a message that the download link you sent for the .pdf files was invalid. - -----Original Message----- From: simon@icu.com [mailto:simon@icu.com] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 5:20 PM To: joni@smoe.org Cc: Richard Flynn Subject: Urge For Going - Tom Rush 1966 Last April a number of questions were raised about the recording date of the URGE FOR GOING 7", 45rpm Single by Tom Rush. Richard Flynn wrote > > Subject: Rush 45 rpm recording of UFG: date? > > I've seen that 1966 date for the single of UFG in discographies, but are we sure about that? > The single version on the reissue of TR's album _The Circle Game_ lists it as 1968. The liner > notes say he met Joni in Detroit "late in 1966" and that it was "several months after he passed > a tape of his version to the massively influential Boston radio station, WBZ. > > Joni recalls in this 1968 interview > > that she had "just written it" when she performed it on "Let's Sing Out" October 24, 1966 and > that Dave Van Ronk asked for it, even as he & Patrick Sky made a bunch of sexist jokes on the set. > > Tom Rush took the song after that, tried to shop it to Judy Collins, and then recorded himself, > sent the tape to the radio station where it received a lot of airplay. When Elektra eventually released > the single version, it didn't go anywhere. > > Seems like a lot to transpire between October and the end of 1966, if Rush's UFG was truly released > as a single that year. It does seem likely that Rush could have recorded it that year. > - - - - - Yes Richard, I am sure about the 1966 recording and release date. The 1968 date included in the 40 Anniversary Edition of Tom's album THE CIRCLE GAME is wrong. Also Joni had "just written it" when she performed on the Canadian TV program LET'S SING OUT #77, recorded on Oct. 4, 1965 and broadcast on Oct. 14, 1965. Dave Van Ronk also appeared on this program. The producers recorded enough material for -2- programs. LET'S SING OUT #78 was broadcast on Oct. 21, 1965 and featured Joni along with Patrick Sky. The Chapins (including Harry) appeared on both programs. Joni recalls in this interview JM: "The URGE FOR GOING I wrote after the second Mariposa I ever went to ..." ZZ: And Tom Rush happened to pick up on it? JM: Actually, Dave van Ronk was the first. I met Dave and Patrick Sky in Winnepeg in September or October. I had just written it so it must have been October. They were doing a Canadian television show called Sing Out, and I thought that once again ... it was sort of following Mariposa, I was shaky and thought I was awful and amateurish and I wasn't growing fast enough. And I could feel how good my peers were; I could feel how amateurish I was, and I really needed encouragement. They didn't give me any as far as I could see. I was that insecure about my writing. I really thought it was awful. Joni first attended the Mariposa Folk Festival in 1964. - - - - - - Richard's post continued > In his interview with Wally Breese, > Tom Rush recalled that the single (based on the WBZ recording) came out about the same time as the album: > > WB: In November of '66, Joni was on a radio show and she said that you'd already recorded "The Circle Game," > but the album that contains the song didn't make the charts until April of '68, so I'm wondering was there > a different single version that was out earlier? > > TR: It was a very odd thing. I first recorded "Urge for Going," actually. It was on a tape that I gave to my buddies > at WBZ in Boston, I had some friends there. Access was so easy in those days. I had a show at WHRB and my friends > Jefferson Kay and Dick Summer had shows on WBZ and I kind of thought we were on a par. I didn't know at that time > what "50,000 watt clear channel" meant, but they had the most powerful signal allowable by law on a frequency > that nobody else occupied and these guys got mail from New Zealand sometimes when the ionosphere was right. > I still get people from Ohio who come up to me and say, "When me and the Mrs. was courtin', we'd go up on the bluff > on Sunday night where we could get WBZ." They had a huge listenership. So I gave a tape of "Urge for Going" to > Jefferson Kay, he played it and it became the most requested song on the station. It was very, very popular. I think > partly because the only way you could hear it was to call up and ask for it. This was before cassette recorders were common. > Reel to reel tape recorders were pretty exotic. Not too many people had them. So if you wanted to hear this song you had > to call up and request it. When it finally did come out on disc as a single, I think the single came out about the same time > as the album, but my recollection may be flawed. But when it finally did come out, none of the other stations in Boston > would touch it. > WB: Because it had the WBZ stamp on it. > > TR: Exactly. It was owned by WBZ and it was still the number one single in Boston for a while. > > WB: The number one selling single? Great! Was the version that you gave to WBZ a live version or one you recorded in a studio? > > TR: It was done in a studio with Bruce Langhorne playing guitar. It was substantially the same as the one that appeared on the album. > It just took a long time to finish that album and I don't know why Elektra gave me permission to release that tape. Maybe they didn't, > maybe I just did it, but in the meanwhile, James Taylor and Jackson Browne had come out of the woodwork and along with Joni, > somehow the three of them were kindred spirits artistically. They were all writing songs that were folky but weren't. Just writing some > wonderful stuff. So The Circle Game album was really a special project because it was a discovery for me of three wonderfully talented > writers. > - - - - - So I checked my files and scanned some information from THE BROADSIDE - FOLK MUSIC and COFFEE HOUSE NEWS. I also scanned the liner note to two albums by George Hamilton IV. The scans and information are contained in a pdf.file that can be downloaded at Here's what you will find: Page 1+2: The BROADSIDE - June 22, 1966 There is a chance that "The Urge For Going" by Tom Rush will be released as a single in the fall. Page 3-5: The BROADSIDE - Sept. 28, 1966 TOM RUSH IN OCTOBER CONCERT - A new single was due for release this week. "URGE FOR GOING" NEW RUSH SINGLE A release of "Urge For Going" on a 45 rpm single by Tom Rush has been scheduled for Wednesday , September 21. It will be on Elektra, or its subsidiary, Bounty. Listeners who have heard the version as played by some of the WBZ dj's will be surprised to find some differences. Bass, second guitar, and piano have been added to this cutting, and two verses have been dropped to bring it down to a length convenient for air play. Page 6+7: The BROADSIDE - Oct. 12, 1966 dear BROADSIDE: Through word of mouth, many small items in different issues of BROADSIDE and other medias of communication, there has been so much said of the song by Joni Mitchell. ''The Urge For Going." If I have all my information correct, I understand that Tom Rush has finally recorded it. Is there chance of BROADSIDE printing this song as originally written by Joni Mitchell in a forthcoming issue? (Joni has promised us lead sheets for "Urge" and permission to print it. We are waiting for them to arrive. Ed. Page 8-10: The BROADSIDE - Nov. 23, 1966 Lead sheet for "The Urge For Going" was printed, along with some unfortunate news. Page 11+12: The BROADSIDE - Feb. 1, 1967 DIGGIN DETROIT Ed Treanor Also, George Hamilton IV has just released Joni Mitchell's "Urge For Going" backed with Phil Ochs' "Changes" for RCA. The trade mags list it as a "Top 10" country pick. NOTE: George Hamilton first heard the Tom Rush recording of "The Urge For Going" on WBZ radio. Page 13+14: The BROADSIDE - April 26, 1967 "Urge ." is now number 9 on the C&W charts, as recorded by George Hamilton IV, and interest is running high in a number of other of Joni's songs. Pages 16-21: Covers and Liner Note for two albums by George Hamilton IV - - - - - - One last point about the dating of the URGE FOR GOING 45rpm, 7" Single by Tom Rush. I personally owned a copy in 1967. Hope I've cleared this up. Take Care. andmoreagain, - - - - - - - - - - simonM http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 02:25:14 +1000 From: "Pat Boland" Subject: back in the day... Know what was really awesome? (mostly in hindsight, really) It's to think that back then Joni would start out, open up with her beautiful set, and then, on the break, I would go up and do my short set and sometimes Joni would come out and sit down with her coffee and her smoke and listen to ME play! just look at that cover pic and think about THAT! She smiled and applauded and looked me dead in the eyes as I played my music. It didn't seem like such a big deal then... Joni was 'one of the gang'! Always joking around and laughing with us. She was great! But thinking of it now... can you imagine? Joni Mitchell used to watch and listen to my sets!!! ...and I think she actually liked it! Wow!!! ❤ http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=243721087097&set=a.42447107097.56248.619417097&type=3 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 09:38:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Joni Covers, Volume 151 - LABOR of love Happy Saturday, all - hope that many of you will have a bonus day to your weekend for Labor Day, an extra day to spin them Joni covers! So with that in mind, here's a brand new batch, with some old favorites. I'm guessing you've heard of James Taylor, Judy Collins (with Shawn Colvin), Susan Boyle...and the unknowns are even better in some cases. Several folks who are back after giving us Joni covers in years past - Hanne Boel, Larry Goldings. Git 'er done: http://tinyurl.com/8qp2btk The Laborers: 1. Jaclyn Guillou - California 2. Hanne Boel - River 3. Freya Lin - Both Sides Now 4. Larry Goldings - All I Want 5. Joe Miller - A Case Of You 6. Janelle Reichman - Both Sides Now 7. Anthony Wilson - The Circle Game 8. Cordes Sensibles - Goodbye Pork Pie Hat 9. Erika May - Twisted 10. Susan Boyle - Both Sides Now 11. Gerri DiMaggio - River 12. James Taylor - Woodstock 13. Judy Collins - Cactus Tree 14. Jenny Powers & Matt Cavenaugh - A Case Of You 15. Justin Vivian Bond - Court & Spark 16. Norma Winstone with the NDR Band - Big Yellow Taxi 17. Holly Penfield - Both Sides Now Bob ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2012 #1277 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------