From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #1160 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, August 21 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 1160 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Just like this train [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: Judgment of the Moon and Stars [Shari Eaton ] Just Like This Train - KCRW Morning Becomes Eclectic [simon@icu.com] Re: Just like this train [Michael Paz ] Re: Judgment of the Moon and Stars [Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Just like this train I signed up for this and listened to the version of JLTT ... I think it might be from a live radio concert ... it's just Joni on an acoustic and Larry Klein on bass ... but the sound is great. Might be during a promotional tour for TI. Just guessing. Now if my computer blows up, I'll be the goon. :-) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Shari Eaton Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 10:11 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Just like this train Good catch, Bob. Most dubious looking. On Aug 20, 2012, at 6:31 PM, Bob Muller wrote: > I smell a rat. I wouldn't touch that download with a 10-foot pole. > > Bob > ________________________________ > From: Karen Holtz > To: > joni@smoe.org > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 7:07 PM > Subject: Just like this > train > > Hey guys! Please, I need a help! > I've got a version of Just Like This > Train song in my computer, sung by > Joni Mitchell, but this version is > different than that ones that can be > find at Court and Spark and Travelogue albums. Do you know know where > is this record from? > I've posted it on my > 4shared page. Can you listen to it and help me please? > Here is the link: > http://www.4shared.com/mp3/ksDhlChP/Just_like_this_train.html > > Thank you! > Karen Holtz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:44:51 -0700 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: Judgment of the Moon and Stars "Condemned to wires and hammers Strike every chord that you feel That broken trees And elephant ivories conceal" She's using the word conceal in its noun state. The wood of the piano and the keys are on the outside. The wires and hammers are on the inside. The internal emotional workings are concealed by the casing of the piano. Just as our bodies are a concealment for our inner emotional workings. Lots of Joni, Shari On Aug 20, 2012, at 5:04 PM, Kevin Foehr wrote: > Bobsart, > > > You wrote: > "However, the closing lines of JOTMAS have always left > me feeling > uncomfortable. Why? Because I can change the last word of the song > to its > literal opposite, and still feel it would have poetic (and perhaps > ironic) > meaning. > > "Condemned to wires and hammers > Strike every chord that you > feel > That broken trees > And elephant ivories conceal" > > But what if the last > word had instead been "reveal" ? > > This my favorite Joni passage > / poetic image, and therefore, not surprisngly, in my opinion, it is perfect. > Changing the last word to "reveal' would have lessened its poetic quality a > bit in my mind. And I think "conceal" is more ironic than "reveal" would have > been. Reveal would have been too linear and expected. It is the end of > creative process -- the result -- the revealment of beauty and emotion. And > it puts the emphasis on the instrument, not the artist. > > But conceal is > perfect here because it is first in the process, and thus it is not instantly > clear what this imagery means. The listener must stop and think, "What is > being concealed? And by what?" Then the listener can see the full picture: > what is concealed can be revealed by the artist. Conceal implies that here; > but reveal would not imply this process as clearly as it jumps directly to the > end product. And it highlights WHO can reveal what lies concealed within. > Broken trees and elephant ivories conceal the beauty and emotional power that > is possible. They are pure potential, like colors on a painter's pallette, > and it takes a great master to access that potential and reveal the beauty > that is possible. > > In my mind, moving from concealment to something revealed > is a much more poetic image than "seeing" the end of the process > (beauty revealed), and then MAYBE thinking about how that beauty was (is) > "concealed" to us mere mortals and is "revealed" by musical geniuses like Joni > and Beethoven. > > > Kevin F. ............................................................................. .............. Shari Eaton visual designer . art director ............................................................................. .............. Shari Eaton Design 415.361.8708 . www.sharieaton.com ............................................................................. .............. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:32:53 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Just Like This Train - KCRW Morning Becomes Eclectic Karen Holtz wrote > Subject: Just Like This Train > > Hey guys! Please, I need a help! > I've got a version of Just Like This Train song in my computer, sung by Joni Mitchell, > but this version is different than that ones that can be find at Court and Spark and Travelogue albums. > > Do you know know where is this record from? I've posted it on my 4shared page. > Can you listen to it and help me please? > > Here is the link: http://www.4shared.com/mp3/ksDhlChP/Just_like_this_train.html > > Thank you! > - - - - - - - - Karen, On Sept. 12, 1994 Joni Mitchell and Larry Klein visited radio station KCRW-FM in Santa Monica, CA. They were interviewed by Chris Douridas during his program "Morning Becomes Eclectic". During the hour-long Interview Session, several songs were performed by Joni, with Larry Klein on bass. 1. Night Ride Home 2. Just Like This Train 3. Moon At The Window 4. Magdalene Laundries 5. Sex Kills 6. The Crazy Cries Of Love 7. Face Lift Broadcast: Oct. 25, 1994 Two of these songs, as performed on KCRW-FM, were later 'officially' released. "Just Like This Train" was included on the CD release "KCRW Rare On Air, Volume 2" "Moon At The Window" was included as a 'Bonus' song on the "How Do You Stop" CD Single BTW: A Promo-Only RadioMix of "How Do You Stop" was also released. I UpLoaded all three via YouSendIt. You can download at the following URL(s): mp3.copy I am NOT a big fan of compressed, compromised mp3 files. So I also UpLoaded CD all three in CD Quality. 16bit/44k CD Quality These are larger files and will take a little longer to download. The complete transcript is in the JM.com Library @ AND, an 'almost' complete copy of the full program is available for listening on KCRW's WebSite. "Morning Becomes Eclectic" Enjoy! andmoreagain, - - - - - - - - - - simonM http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/complete.cfm http://jonimitchell.com/music/miscrecordings.cfm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:36:41 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Just like this train There was a recording that Larry and Joan did for Canadian TV and I have a copy of that. Sounds like it might be the one. Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Cypress Recording Services Paz Music Production 17 Waverly Place Destrehan, La. 70047 504-382-0343 On Aug 21, 2012, at 8:57 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: I signed up for this and listened to the version of JLTT ... I think it might be from a live radio concert ... it's just Joni on an acoustic and Larry Klein on bass ... but the sound is great. Might be during a promotional tour for TI. Just guessing. Now if my computer blows up, I'll be the goon. :-) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Shari Eaton Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 10:11 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Just like this train Good catch, Bob. Most dubious looking. On Aug 20, 2012, at 6:31 PM, Bob Muller wrote: > I smell a rat. I wouldn't touch that download with a 10-foot pole. > > Bob > ________________________________ > From: Karen Holtz > To: > joni@smoe.org > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 7:07 PM > Subject: Just like this > train > > Hey guys! Please, I need a help! > I've got a version of Just Like This > Train song in my computer, sung by > Joni Mitchell, but this version is > different than that ones that can be > find at Court and Spark and Travelogue albums. Do you know know where > is this record from? > I've posted it on my > 4shared page. Can you listen to it and help me please? > Here is the link: > http://www.4shared.com/mp3/ksDhlChP/Just_like_this_train.html > > Thank you! > Karen Holtz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:11:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Judgment of the Moon and Stars Kevin, this is how I see/feel this imagery as well. I'm thinking of something I read about a sculptor who looks at a piece of granite (or whatever s/he is going to use for the next piece) and waits for it to reveal what is hidden inside before starting to chip away at it. >________________________________ > From: Kevin Foehr >To: "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 8:04:11 PM >Subject: Judgment of the Moon and Stars > > >But conceal is >perfect here because it is first in the process, and thus it is not instantly >clear what this imagery means. The listener must stop and think, "What is >being concealed? And by what?" Then the listener can see the full picture: >what is concealed can be revealed by the artist. Conceal implies that here; >but reveal would not imply this process as clearly as it jumps directly to the >end product. And it highlights WHO can reveal what lies concealed within. >Broken trees and elephant ivories conceal the beauty and emotional power that >is possible. They are pure potential, like colors on a painter's pallette, >and it takes a great master to access that potential and reveal the beauty >that is possible. > >In my mind, moving from concealment to something revealed >is a much more poetic image than "seeing" the end of the process >(beauty revealed), and then MAYBE thinking about how that beauty was (is) >"concealed" to us mere mortals and is "revealed" by musical geniuses like Joni >and Beethoven. > > >Kevin F. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 17:45:58 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Now Song For Sharon was NRH vs TI, and JOTMAS (the gift went on) ["Mark" ] Great interview!! I really appreciate it when listers point out some of the gems on the website. I hadn't read this one before. Hejira is a miracle of an album, although I would tie it with Turbulent Indigo, not Blue. As the article says: "Voting on jonimitchell.com, an excellent fan-driven website, ranks Hejira as Mitchell's most popular album. A critics' poll done in the late 1990s placed the album in a first-place tie with the Blue, a moody collection of love songs she recorded in 1971." Are there still polls on the website? It would be interesting to see what the vote tally is now. Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 2:51 PM To: Mark Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Now Song For Sharon was NRH vs TI, and JOTMAS (the gift went on) ["Mark" ] Mark, A few quick comments regarding your post on Song For Sharon.... 1.It Is very impressive that you can recall the lyrics to this entire song from memory - its a tough song to memorize. There are only a handful of songs I can recite from memory (Woodstock, Circle Game, Both Sides Now, Blue and LTIS Richard might be the only 5 off the top of my head) 2 Regarding the song - its ironic that as kids, Mitchell was the one that longed for married life on a farm and Sharon Bell was the one who had dreams for success as a singer. When things turned out precisely in reverse, its been reported that Bell resented Joni's fame while Joni envied Sharon's close family life. The two women had'nt been in touch since they were teens, but after the song came out, Bell went to Saskatoon and made a recording of her own songs. I recall Bob Muller had spoken with Sharon directly about this irony and am anxiously awaiting Chapter 2 of this discussion. 3. According to this article (below), Joni states that she is not convinced Hejira is the best of the 22 albums (that made her among the most influential singer-songwriters of the past 40 years). She won't attach that label to any of her albums. But she concedes Hejira is probably her one album that could not have been made by anyone else. "I suppose a lot of people could have written a lot of my other songs, but I feel the songs on Hejira could only have come from me," she said an interview with the Citizen. But Mitchell says self-confession, no matter how risky and revealing, was essential to her writing during that era. "My songs have always been more autobiographical than most people's," she says. "It pushes you toward honesty. I was just returning to normal from the extremities of a very abnormal mindset when I wrote most of the songs (on Hejira). "When life gets interesting I get very alert, and life was very interesting. I think that took the writing to another level." My opinion is that the writing on Hejira is her best and that Song for Sharon is one her most powerful songs. http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1459&from=search Your posts are always very thought provoking and interesting to read Mark.....thanks. Stewart =================================================================================== 2.Finally she briefly sums up their two lives and points out how Sharon expresses her talent, entering a bit into Joni's world and how Joni will occasionally seek out the space and air of the world that Sharon inhabits. Anyway, if you get to this point and you know the last verse is coming, you pretty much have gotten it. First and last verses are usually pretty ingrained if it's a song you love. Sharon you've got a husband And a family and a farm I've got the apple of temptation And a diamond snake around my arm But you still have your music I've still got my eyes on the land and the sky You sing for your friends and your family I'll walk green pastures by and by I don't think I left any of the verses out. Specific words may be altered since sometimes what gets stuck in my head isn't always exactly what is on the record. But that was all typed from memory. Most of Joni's lyrics are very logical and straightforward. Mark in Seattle - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. 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