From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #1143 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, August 19 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 1143 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Subject: Dog Eat Dog [Dave Blackburn ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 11:35:07 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Subject: Dog Eat Dog DED did indeed suffer from a dismal mastering job, as did quite a few of Joni's albums, in my opinion. The early ones, like STAS and Clouds were close to unlistenable, or at best pretty unengaging, shall we say? DJRD also was tinny and distant. Modern mastering tools have come a long way since those records came out, to be sure, but the aesthetic choices a mastering engineer needs to make to make to "bring out" the music would seem to me to reach across the ages. My frustration at all this great music being so hard to listen to led me to remaster the albums I thought were the ones most lacking. Mastering is a much misunderstood process as it involves so many techniques and decisions to be applied to something that is presented as a finished work. Do you trust the engineer/producer/artist's vision and basically just assemble the album's running order or do you take a hands-on approach and bring a fresh set of ears to take it to another level? My guiding principle is always to assess the emotional impact; if I'm not pulled into the music and surrounded by the majesty of the recording it needs more work. Which buttons to push to get it there is the craft. Dave On Aug 19, 2012, at 11:11 AM, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > I agree that the DED disc in the Geffen box was a great improvement. It's the most-improved remastering I have heard. > > The DED disc and the inclusion of "Speechless" (the so-called demo of "Two Grey Rooms ") made it worth while to me. In my mind, the instrumental isn't really a demo because it lacks words. It can't be a demo. > > I'm glad I bought the box set before the price doubled. Did it go out of print? I guess that's what keeps the price of boxed sets up -they go out of print and therefore become "rare". It was worthwhile at $45 when it was new; now, at $199 new on Amazon, I would hesitate. > > Jim L'Hommedieu > > > On 8/19/2012 1:20 PM, JMDL Digest wrote: >> From: "Mark" >> >> I know the Geffen box set has been trashed as an over-priced, unnecessary >> release and I've said this before but the remastered DED was really a >> revelation to me. There are so many subtle intricacies in the arrangements >> that I had never heard on the original release. DED is definitely one of >> Joni's finer efforts, imo. And the messages she was trying to send out back >> in 1985 are as relevant now as they were then. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2012 #1143 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------