From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #1059 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, August 7 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 1059 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #1053 [Mary Morris ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:22:36 -0700 From: Mary Morris Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #1053 I am blown away by this exchange as well. Liev, you make an incredible case for human spirituality & morality. Humans have to keep trying & we may never know any of the answers. Good, bad....what to make of evil & dark things in our nature. GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS > Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:12:32 -0400 > From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #1053 > > > JMDL Digest Tuesday, August 7 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 1053 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: The Tea Leaf Prophecy [Shari Eaton ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 12:05:24 -0700 > From: Shari Eaton > Subject: Re: The Tea Leaf Prophecy > > Love this whole exchange. Horrible things coming from good circumstances is a really interesting notion in this guilt laden world of ours. > > > On Aug 7, 2012, at 2:01 AM, Lieve Reckers wrote: > > > Mark, I don't think that any info in Mr Anderson's obit is any reason to > > ignore your beautifully written post! > > It does not matter if a particular > > theory may not be valid, the thought behind it is much more broad and remains > > valid. > > And it just reminded me of my favourite theory: everything is chaos and > > random good or bad luck, without much sense or justice, and still throughout > > this mess we should have our own imperative to "do the right thing" (i.e. to > > only do to others as we would wish to be done to us). > > So yes, we can > > probably all find terrible things like war or accidents which have set off > > good coincidences and meetings which may have led to the birth of a genius. > > But in the same way good intentions may have led to the birth of mass > > killers. There is just no justice... And still we should never stop trying > > to do the right thing... > > > > Just my quick personal reaction, maybe not in the > > direction you had in mind, but thanks for prompting a reaction at all, I feel > > like I am waking up! > > Big hug, > > Lieve > > > > > > > >> ________________________________ > >> > > From: Mark > >> To: joni > >> Sent: > > Tuesday, 7 August 2012, 5:43 > >> Subject: Fw: The Tea Leaf Prophecy > >> > >> I looked > > at Mr. Anderson's obit again. Just ignore this email. > >> > >> -----Original > > Message----- From: Mark > >> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:10 PM > >> To: joni > >> Subject: The Tea Leaf Prophecy > >> > >> Like Lieve, I was beginning to wonder if I > > had anything left to contribute > >> to the JMDL. And every time anybody mentions > > Facebook here, I feel a slight > >> pang of guilt. > >> > >> Actually I've been in a funk > > about writing anything for awhile. I'm hoping > >> the fog in my brain is at > > least thinning enough to let a few things emerge. > >> I don't think I want it to > > completely burn off. The stark, unclouded vision > >> of what's in there might be > > too much for me. I sometimes fear that I live > >> too much in my own thoughts > > and I should come out more often before I forget > >> how. > >> > >> I finished another > > book on my bus to work this morning and, once again, it > >> triggered a Joni > > Mitchell ear worm without my even realizing it. The book > >> is 'Atonement' by > > Ian McEwan. There was a very good movie made out of it a > >> few years ago. > > Keira Knightly got some positive buzz out of it. Enough > >> time has gone by > > since I saw the movie to make the story seem fresh and the > >> book is very well > > written. The novel is set in England and begins just > >> before WWII. Of > > course, the war, the evacuation from Dunkirk in particular, > >> becomes a large > > factor in the plot. I had some recollection of the twist > >> that comes at the > > end of the story but it is revealed in a different manner > >> in the book and I > > was totally absorbed by it. I re-read the last few pages > >> on the bus home and > > it started my brain off in all kinds of different > >> directions. But underneath > > it all was the line, set to Joni's melody, > >> 'study war no more, lay down your > > arms' and just like in 'The Tea Leaf > >> Prophecy' it repeated itself over and > > over. > >> > >> This has probably been discussed before and if I've written basically > > the > >> same thing before, all I can say is if I've written basically the same > > thing > >> before, all I can say is if I've written basically the same thing > > before.... > >> > >> The needle gets stuck in a groove sometimes, I guess. > >> > >> The > > line about Hiroshima in the final verse of the song is a strong > >> statement > > about the ultimate evil inherent in war. But if you think about > >> it, if it > > hadn't been for the war, there might not have been a 'young flight > >> sergeant > > on two weeks leave'. The man in question might not have been in > >> the military > > at all, let alone on two weeks leave. > >> > >> So Bill and Myrtle might never have > > met had there not been a WWII. > >> > >> It makes me wonder if 'study war no more' > > has a wee tinge of irony in it as > >> it repeats itself throughout the song. I > > am in no way implying that there > >> is a pro-war message there. Joni has made > > her feelings on that subject > >> clearly known almost from the start of her > > career. But I think the thought > >> must have crossed her mind at some point > > that she might not exist if that > >> huge historical event had not sent its waves > > of circumstance all the way to > >> Regina Saskatchewan back in 1943 and brought a > > man and a woman together . > >> > >> Mark in Seattle > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2012 #1053 > ****************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2012 #1059 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------