From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #1053 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, August 7 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 1053 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: The Tea Leaf Prophecy [Shari Eaton ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 12:05:24 -0700 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: The Tea Leaf Prophecy Love this whole exchange. Horrible things coming from good circumstances is a really interesting notion in this guilt laden world of ours. On Aug 7, 2012, at 2:01 AM, Lieve Reckers wrote: > Mark, I don't think that any info in Mr Anderson's obit is any reason to > ignore your beautifully written post! > It does not matter if a particular > theory may not be valid, the thought behind it is much more broad and remains > valid. > And it just reminded me of my favourite theory: everything is chaos and > random good or bad luck, without much sense or justice, and still throughout > this mess we should have our own imperative to "do the right thing" (i.e. to > only do to others as we would wish to be done to us). > So yes, we can > probably all find terrible things like war or accidents which have set off > good coincidences and meetings which may have led to the birth of a genius. > But in the same way good intentions may have led to the birth of mass > killers. There is just no justice... And still we should never stop trying > to do the right thing... > > Just my quick personal reaction, maybe not in the > direction you had in mind, but thanks for prompting a reaction at all, I feel > like I am waking up! > Big hug, > Lieve > > > >> ________________________________ >> > From: Mark >> To: joni >> Sent: > Tuesday, 7 August 2012, 5:43 >> Subject: Fw: The Tea Leaf Prophecy >> >> I looked > at Mr. Anderson's obit again. Just ignore this email. >> >> -----Original > Message----- From: Mark >> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:10 PM >> To: joni >> Subject: The Tea Leaf Prophecy >> >> Like Lieve, I was beginning to wonder if I > had anything left to contribute >> to the JMDL. And every time anybody mentions > Facebook here, I feel a slight >> pang of guilt. >> >> Actually I've been in a funk > about writing anything for awhile. I'm hoping >> the fog in my brain is at > least thinning enough to let a few things emerge. >> I don't think I want it to > completely burn off. The stark, unclouded vision >> of what's in there might be > too much for me. I sometimes fear that I live >> too much in my own thoughts > and I should come out more often before I forget >> how. >> >> I finished another > book on my bus to work this morning and, once again, it >> triggered a Joni > Mitchell ear worm without my even realizing it. The book >> is 'Atonement' by > Ian McEwan. There was a very good movie made out of it a >> few years ago. > Keira Knightly got some positive buzz out of it. Enough >> time has gone by > since I saw the movie to make the story seem fresh and the >> book is very well > written. The novel is set in England and begins just >> before WWII. Of > course, the war, the evacuation from Dunkirk in particular, >> becomes a large > factor in the plot. I had some recollection of the twist >> that comes at the > end of the story but it is revealed in a different manner >> in the book and I > was totally absorbed by it. I re-read the last few pages >> on the bus home and > it started my brain off in all kinds of different >> directions. But underneath > it all was the line, set to Joni's melody, >> 'study war no more, lay down your > arms' and just like in 'The Tea Leaf >> Prophecy' it repeated itself over and > over. >> >> This has probably been discussed before and if I've written basically > the >> same thing before, all I can say is if I've written basically the same > thing >> before, all I can say is if I've written basically the same thing > before.... >> >> The needle gets stuck in a groove sometimes, I guess. >> >> The > line about Hiroshima in the final verse of the song is a strong >> statement > about the ultimate evil inherent in war. But if you think about >> it, if it > hadn't been for the war, there might not have been a 'young flight >> sergeant > on two weeks leave'. The man in question might not have been in >> the military > at all, let alone on two weeks leave. >> >> So Bill and Myrtle might never have > met had there not been a WWII. >> >> It makes me wonder if 'study war no more' > has a wee tinge of irony in it as >> it repeats itself throughout the song. I > am in no way implying that there >> is a pro-war message there. Joni has made > her feelings on that subject >> clearly known almost from the start of her > career. But I think the thought >> must have crossed her mind at some point > that she might not exist if that >> huge historical event had not sent its waves > of circumstance all the way to >> Regina Saskatchewan back in 1943 and brought a > man and a woman together . >> >> Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2012 #1053 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------