From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #42 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, January 22 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 042 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #23 [est86mlm@ameritech.net] More of Don Alias & Joni Auction Items - Authentic or Not? [est86mlm@amer] Re: More of Don Alias & Joni Auction Items - Authentic or Not? [T Peckham] Re: My so-called Joni Progression [Ken ] Re: Don Alias & Joni Auction Items - Authentic or Not? [T Peckham JMDL Digest Saturday, January 21 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 023 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > R.I.P. Bill Anderson [Rob And Tracy] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 16:11:53 -0600 > From: Rob And Tracy > Subject: R.I.P. Bill Anderson > > I haven't read the list really for about a week, so I don't know if this is old news, but Joni's father passed away last week. I just saw the obit in the paper. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/thestarphoenix/obituary.aspx?n=william-anderson&pid=155554991&fhid=6664 > > So sad, but wow, what a great, long life... > > Rob > > Sent from my iPad > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2012 #23 > **************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, send tojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 06:09:28 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: More of Don Alias & Joni Auction Items - Authentic or Not? No need to be red faced. Great comments! Just checked and am happy to see your post up on that 'other' website. Laura On 1/22/2012 4:54 AM, T Peckham wrote: > Agh!! Sorry I didn't see this before I sent off my response on your > previous post. (Red face). But thank you for clarifying. ;-) > > On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 11:42 AM, > wrote: > > Upon further research......wish I found this first as it's Don's own > words........from the Book 'GIRLS LIKE US' by Sheila Weller. I'm > quoting right from the book in front of me. Looked it up, since > Amazon > left this page out in the 'view book' option. > > Page 430 > ...As she had with Jackson and other lovers, Joni painted a > portrait of > Don. But this was a different kind of portrait: "It was me, with my > bathrobe open with -- bang! like this --a hard-on sticking out. i > said, 'Joni, what are you /doing?/'" when she hung it "smack-dab > in the > middle of the living room" of the loft they would soon share in New > York. Don was embarrassed. "My friends would come over and > they'd go, > /huh?/ Joni said, 'What's wrong with it?'" He said she said it was a > "testament to his sexuality," to which he replied, "It's not a > testament > to anything - it's annoying; it's an embarrassment!" Don wanted her to > repaint it with the bathrobe closed, "and she fought me on it, all the > way,/all/ the way." Finally they compromised: She repainted part of > the painting, making the penis tumescent, not erect.). > > The upside and downside of being Joni's boyfriend....... > > Laura > > > > > > On 1/21/2012 9:17 AM, Bob Muller wrote: > > Laura, > > Thanks for researching the facts - I tried and couldn't find > anything. > > But I was correct in saying that she painted and exhibited it - > to an > > audience of two. :-) > > Bob > > NP: Etta James, "Good Rockin' Daddy" > > > > *From:* "est86mlm@ameritech.net " > > > > *To:* joni@smoe.org > > *Cc:* Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > > *Sent:* Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:27 AM > > *Subject:* Don Alias & Joni Auction Items - Authentic or Not? > > > > think she > > would depict Willy's willy?> > > > > But she painted and exhibited Don's dong, right? > > > > Bob > > > > > > Well, according to this article here: > > > > > http://www.sabotagetimes.com/music/joni-and-carly-soft-rock-and-soft-porn-in-the-swinging-seventies/ > > > > "Joni tried to bolster Dons ego by painting a full length > portrait of > > him in an open bathrobe with a massive erection poking out the > front. > > She hung the painting in the living room of their New York loft. > > Don complained that he couldnt bring his jazz muso mates around to > > entertain them in a room with his cock on the wall. Joni was > genuinely > > puzzled, Its a testament to your sexuality, she said. After much > > wrangling, she painted out the hard-on, reducing it to a brooding > > droop." > > > > That's quite an exhibit! > > > > Laura > > > > > -- > "An artist can show things that other people are terrified of > expressing." > ---Louise Bourgeois ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 04:54:22 -0600 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: More of Don Alias & Joni Auction Items - Authentic or Not? Agh!! Sorry I didn't see this before I sent off my response on your previous post. (Red face). But thank you for clarifying. ;-) On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 11:42 AM, wrote: > Upon further research......wish I found this first as it's Don's own > words........from the Book 'GIRLS LIKE US' by Sheila Weller. I'm > quoting right from the book in front of me. Looked it up, since Amazon > left this page out in the 'view book' option. > > Page 430 > ...As she had with Jackson and other lovers, Joni painted a portrait of > Don. But this was a different kind of portrait: "It was me, with my > bathrobe open with -- bang! like this --a hard-on sticking out. i > said, 'Joni, what are you /doing?/'" when she hung it "smack-dab in the > middle of the living room" of the loft they would soon share in New > York. Don was embarrassed. "My friends would come over and they'd go, > /huh?/ Joni said, 'What's wrong with it?'" He said she said it was a > "testament to his sexuality," to which he replied, "It's not a testament > to anything - it's annoying; it's an embarrassment!" Don wanted her to > repaint it with the bathrobe closed, "and she fought me on it, all the > way,/all/ the way." Finally they compromised: She repainted part of > the painting, making the penis tumescent, not erect.). > > The upside and downside of being Joni's boyfriend....... > > Laura > > > > > > On 1/21/2012 9:17 AM, Bob Muller wrote: > > Laura, > > Thanks for researching the facts - I tried and couldn't find anything. > > But I was correct in saying that she painted and exhibited it - to an > > audience of two. :-) > > Bob > > NP: Etta James, "Good Rockin' Daddy" > > > > *From:* "est86mlm@ameritech.net" > > *To:* joni@smoe.org > > *Cc:* Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > > *Sent:* Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:27 AM > > *Subject:* Don Alias & Joni Auction Items - Authentic or Not? > > > > > would depict Willy's willy?> > > > > But she painted and exhibited Don's dong, right? > > > > Bob > > > > > > Well, according to this article here: > > > > > http://www.sabotagetimes.com/music/joni-and-carly-soft-rock-and-soft-porn-in-the-swinging-seventies/ > > > > "Joni tried to bolster Dons ego by painting a full length portrait of > > him in an open bathrobe with a massive erection poking out the front. > > She hung the painting in the living room of their New York loft. > > Don complained that he couldnt bring his jazz muso mates around to > > entertain them in a room with his cock on the wall. Joni was genuinely > > puzzled, Its a testament to your sexuality, she said. After much > > wrangling, she painted out the hard-on, reducing it to a brooding > > droop." > > > > That's quite an exhibit! > > > > Laura > - -- "An artist can show things that other people are terrified of expressing." - ---Louise Bourgeois ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 12:00:16 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Subject: Re: My so-called Joni Progression I must admit, it's a bit hazy, thinking back to which albums I bought and when I acquired them. The only things I know for sure (sounds like Oprah, right?) are that I heard Joni songs from her earliest albums on the radio, as they were played, and liked them, but don't recall buying any albums at that time. My "wake-up call" came when my cousin played C&S for my wife and me during one of our visits to their home and I was hooked! Ironically, WLIR played the entire album on one of their subsequent "an album in its entirety" nights, and I recorded it onto a cassette tape. After that, I slowly began buying all of Joni's albums (including C&S), mostly from used record stores and flea markets (perhaps a couple of new ones along the way), until I had everything from STAS up to about Mingus. (Long live VINYL !). After that, I mostly bought new albums or CDs, (WTRF up to TTT) without hearing much from them in advance since they got such little radio play, hoping for the "next great Joni album." I was so disappointed that I never play them since the first few spins (the few songs I like on them don't move me enough to put them on the turntable or in the CD player). My own musical-progression, regarding Joni's music, is that my love for the earliest albums (STAS, Clouds, LOTC) has waned a little while my appreciation for the middle-era albums (Hejira & DJRD) has grown a bit. My favorites remain the early/middle trio of Blue, C&S, and FTR. While BSN was quite listenable, Shine was the first (new era) CD that really made me happy that Joni had another album left inside her. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 04:49:19 -0600 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: Don Alias & Joni Auction Items - Authentic or Not? Thanks so much for this find! I was about to quote from Sheila Weller's GIRLS LIKE US (pardon the SHOUTING, but I know what smoe does with italics, alas), and then I saw this post. The blog writer's version pretty much agrees with Ms. Weller's, which I believe was taken from her personal interviews with Don Alias, tho his quotes from the book read like his band--who regularly rehearsed in he and Joni's shared NYC loft on Varick St.--did in fact see the painting before she, ahem, adjusted it. LOL That's nitpicking. But what isn't is the fact that a commenter asked this writer if some of his info had come from GIRLS LIKE US. The guy says he has--of course!--read the book, and recommends it, but doesn't acknowledge that he might have, um, borrowed some stuff from it. He also makes some, excuse me, dumb-ass pronouncements that are nothing more than his opinion, to which he's entitled. For what it's worth, here's my comment to him, to which I'm entitled. *********** Ah, you should know from reading Sheila Weller's GIRLS LIKE US that Ms. Simon & Ms. Mitchell were certainly not "unwitting" about the fact that each had "had" JT and Mr. Beatty (who, incidentally, should have been named "Old Man of the Decade" by Rolling Stone mag in the 70s). I don't believe Carly has ever been linked romantically to Chuck Mitchell, Jackson Browne, Crosby or Nash, Sam Shepard, or Don Alias. Ditto for Joni and your laundry list of Carly's other famous lovers. But those are minor points. I must take exception to your answer to William that some of the refs here were not taken directly from GIRLS LIKE US. I worked on that book and am quite familiar with Ms. Weller's meticulous sourcing of certain quotes that were exclusive to the book. It would be nice if you'd NOT take a page from Stephen Davis and would give credit where credit is due. It would also be nice if you'd spell everyone's names correctly. Finally, it leaves me cold when men feel entitled to render their opinions as to why ANY woman might feel compelled to give up a child for adoption. In Ms. Mitchell's case, as in most, there is no one simple reason or rationale. And even if one could say unequivocally that she chose her career over taking time off to raise her child, that's HER business, and why is no one accusing the FATHER of the same thing and judging him? Nothing's changed much despite all that nasty feminism, has it? ******** My comment is currently "awaiting moderation". Stephen Davis is the author of a new Carly Simon bio, MORE ROOM IN A BROKEN HEART, which has been widely accused, by several writers and reviewers, of something dangerously close to plagiarism, and at best characterized as a poorly written hack job by someone who rather badly used his friendship with Simon's brother, Peter. On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 7:27 AM, wrote: > would depict Willy's willy?> > > But she painted and exhibited Don's dong, right? > > Bob > > > Well, according to this article here: > > http://www.sabotagetimes.com/**music/joni-and-carly-soft-** > rock-and-soft-porn-in-the-**swinging-seventies/ > > "Joni tried to bolster Don s ego by painting a full length portrait of > him in an open bathrobe with a massive erection poking out the front. > She hung the painting in the living room of their New York loft. > Don complained that he couldn t bring his jazz muso mates around to > entertain them in a room with his cock on the wall. Joni was genuinely > puzzled, Its a testament to your sexuality, she said. After much > wrangling, she painted out the hard-on, reducing it to a brooding > droop." > > That's quite an exhibit! > > Laura > - -- "An artist can show things that other people are terrified of expressing." - ---Louise Bourgeois ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 0:59:34 +0000 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Joni Auction Items - Authentic or Not? Laura wrote: >Do you think they are authentic Joni? They LOOK authentic - but the lyrics look different than the handwritten ones in the LOTC LP. There are also minor differences in the words - ""Cross" instead of "Across", for example. One thing I wonder about is why Joni would write them out again - maybe a donation to a charity, or something? They aren't a first draft or anything - the song (as she performed it in 1969) went "...a black limousine and two white men..." It does look like the Joni flowery handwriting that we see from time to time. *************************************************** Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA FAR-West (Folk Alliance Region - West) tinkersown@ca.rr.com www.far-west.org ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2012 #42 **************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send tojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------