From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #1 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, January 19 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 001 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Hejira & Blue - now your Joni progression? [Happy The Man ] Re: Joni Progression (NJC) [Lori Fye ] Joni Auction Items - Authentic or Not? [est86mlm@ameritech.net] RE: Joni Auction Items - Authentic or Not? [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: Joni Progression [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: My Joni Progression [Happy The Man ] Re: Joni Progression [Deb Messling ] Joni Mention Yesterday 1/18/12 on Live With Kelly ["Gary Z." ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:19:50 -0600 From: Happy The Man Subject: Re: Hejira & Blue - now your Joni progression? Though I assume you destroyed a few albums over the years learning them licks along the way. I remember those lovely summer days of headphones and bean bag chair. Peace, Craig Sent from my Kindle Fire _____________________________________________ From: Dave Blackburn Sent: Tue Jan 17 10:07:55 CST 2012 To: Marion Leffler Cc: Lori Fye , Ken , joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Hejira & Blue - now your Joni progression? All these posts about albums that grew on us over time endorse the importance of the ALBUM as a format. Although individual tracks might grow on you over time they are like atomized sentences (the Twitter phenomenon) instead of as a coherent set of paragraphs making a cogent argument. The demise of the album format is very unfortunate for both the serious artist and the fans alike. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:03:00 -0600 From: Happy The Man Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #853 The timing for Hejira was perfect for me after reading Zen an TAOMM, Blue Highways and The Sun Also Rises so I spent many of day and evening dreaming of ...white vaporous trails.. I would have thought the stories Salome would have made a nice companion of sorts for the album. Maybe it's time for a sequel to Blue Michelle. Peace, Craig Sent from my Kindle Fire _____________________________________________ From: Mary Morris Sent: Mon Jan 16 12:01:59 CST 2012 To: JONIMITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #853 I think "Hejira" was so effective because it was a work by Joni. She has always lived her life in her art - her journey became ours, so when "Hejira" came out, it was only natural to follow her there as well, in all it's sonic hypnotism. I don't think the same elements are present today in our culture, to venerate that type of journey, sadly. I could be wrong. It was a "road trip". This is a very special category of artistic inquiry and deserved the "album" treatment she gave it. Everyone now is so hooked on pop, they can barely sit through a short song w/o thinking of the next product. To get over these blues, I play me some Tom Waits which makes merry fun out of seemingly random sounds & makes wonderful music out of his head. Man, I am greedy, I wish Joni would release one more cd, just one more, for the road. GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS > > RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #850 ["anon anon " ] > >_____________________________________________ > > Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:20:43 +0000 > From: "anon anon " > Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #850 > > well I don't know... This was the time of progressive rock, which was pretty sophisticated in it`s way... > - -----Original Message----- > Date: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:58:05 am > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > From: JMDL Digest > Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #850 > > > JMDL Digest Monday, January 16 2012 Volume 2011 : Number 850 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > - -------- > Re: Joni Mitchell performs "Hejira," June 15, 1986 [Lori Fye > -_____________________________________________ > > Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:55:18 -0600 > From: Lori Fye > Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell performs "Hejira," June 15, 1986 > > > Perhaps, if "Hejira" had been released before > > "Blue", it would have gotten the recognition it deserved. > > Not to be argumentative, but I have to disagree on this. The average > person in 1971 (top single that year: Three Dog Night's "Joy to the > World") could barely comprehend "Blue," let alone the sophistication of > "Hejira." > > Not that the average person's musical taste has changed, mind you ... I > doubt most people could comprehend "Hejira" now. > > Not meaning to be a music snob, just sayin'. > > Lori > Tioga, ND > > -_____________________________________________ > > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 13:53:55 -0600 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Joni Progression (NJC) > Firstly, big thanks to Lori for starting this thread - really great > reading the past couple of days and so many good stories. It was a happy accident, really, but I've very much been enjoying everyone's "Joni progression" stories too. Nice to see so much activity here again, and the posts are just great reading! Lori Tioga, ND ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:39:57 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Joni Auction Items - Authentic or Not? Found these two items that were up for auction here. http://www.gottahaverockandroll.com/catalog.aspx?searchvalue=Joni%20Mitchell&searchby=3 Do you think they are authentic Joni? Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:28:16 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Joni Auction Items - Authentic or Not? Weren't the lyrics handwritten on the gatefold? Could be just photo copies from the album? That picture is cool but could have been drawn in Joni style ... be skeptical!!! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Michael Paz Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:11 PM To: est86mlm@ameritech.net Cc: joni@smoe.org; lesirvin@gmail.com Subject: Re: Joni Auction Items - Authentic or Not? I actually have a foto copy of these lyrics which were given to me by someone who had access to Joni. I am pretty sure they were copied from a copy. I was never sure that this was her handwriting or not. Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Jan 19, 2012, at 2:39 PM, est86mlm@ameritech.net wrote: Found these two items that were up for auction here. http://www.gottahaverockandroll.com/catalog.aspx?searchvalue=Joni%20Mitchell& searchby=3 Do you think they are authentic Joni? Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 03:30:49 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: what's your "Joni progression?" 1968, 1969: Heard BSN and Chelsea Morning by Judy Collins on AM radio 1970: Heard Woodstock by CSNY. Heard BYT on KSAN. Still did not know who Joni was. Ran across LOTC album at the library, took it home. Loved it. Heard "Carey" and "California" on the FM radio. Went out and bought Blue, and every one since. First Joni concert with LA Express on (what would be) the MOA tour, in Berkeley. Got the FTR songbook, and tried the tunings. Joined the JMDL. Sent this email. RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 16:15:17 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni Auction Items - Authentic or Not? Laura, you did that just to make me look at Graham Nash's weenie. FWIW, I think they're both legit. Bob NP: Tracy Chapman, "Remember the Tinman" From: est86mlm@ameritech.net To: joni@smoe.org Cc: lesirvin@gmail.com Date: 01/19/2012 04:02 PM Subject: Joni Auction Items - Authentic or Not? Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org Found these two items that were up for auction here. http://www.gottahaverockandroll.com/catalog.aspx?searchvalue=Joni%20Mitchell&searchby=3 Do you think they are authentic Joni? 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I am pretty sure they were copied from a copy. I was never sure that this was her handwriting or not. Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Jan 19, 2012, at 2:39 PM, est86mlm@ameritech.net wrote: Found these two items that were up for auction here. http://www.gottahaverockandroll.com/catalog.aspx?searchvalue=Joni%20Mitchell& searchby=3 Do you think they are authentic Joni? Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 13:07:27 -0600 From: Happy The Man Subject: My So Called Joni Progression. I will echo all and say what a cool thread. I was a huge CSNY fan and if it wasn't Matthew Southern Comfort Band I probably wouldn't have hitched my ride to the Joni train. It was not until "Court & Spark" album was introduced to me by Cam that I would have gone many years without hearing or even "god forbid" never heard her at all. So as I can remember and those days were quite the fuzz ball: (LP1) Played on my JC Penney's Turntable with detachable speakers - Usually listened through Optimus Headphones sitting in a brown bean bag chair staring at my Easy Rider Poster and Richard Nixon Spiro Agnew Easy Rider Poster (Cass) Had a Craig detachable cassette (FM Radio) in my 63 Chevy Truck. AM only came on to hear Dodger games. I had put bucket seats in the truck and two Optimus speakers that sat on the floor between the seats so if I needed someone to sit next to me I put a pillow on the speakers. I traveled many of road's in that truck. (LP2) B&O system circa 1976 with a Nakamichi Cass (CD) Some Sony (I came really late to this party :) and a 89 Chevy Truck, 91 Ford Explorer, etc... (Digital Era) Court & Spark (LP1) *...weighing the beauty and the imperfection to see if i'm worthy...* For The Roses (LP1) ...*we start our so kind and end so heartlessly....* Miles of Aisle's (Cass) ...*And she's so busy being free...* * * - --I remember hearing Cactus Tree on MOA and just falling in love and quickly going and buying: Song to a Seagull (LP1) *...I can't go back anymore, you know my keys won't fit the door...* Clouds (LP1) *...well something's lost but something's gained in living every day...* Ladies of the Canyon (LP1) ...*now the trials are trumpet scored...* * * Natural progression would be Blue but HIssing came out and Blue had missed until after Hejira Also I was doing deliveries for a construction material company from Bakersfield to San Diego and put my cassette deck and speakers in my company truck. Hissing (Cass) *...with the earth spinning and the sky forever rushing...* Hejira (Cass) *...whether you travel the breadth of extremities or stick to some straighter line... * Blue (LP2) ..*.i want to belong to the living.... * My heart was broken during this time (circa 1977) DJRD (LP2) *...i'll sit on a secret where honor is at stake...* Mingus (LP2) *...and the one who keeps trying to love and trust and getting himself betrayed...* S & L (LP2) Pat's Solo...by now i'm hooked on Jazz with Joni to blame :). (Miles's albums, Weather Report, Lee Ritenour, Return to Forever and John Coltrane... WTRF (LP2) ...*oh sometimes the light can be so hard to find....* DED (LP2) ...*on and on the human greed profanes....* CMIARS (LP2) ...*the old hate the young that's the whole heartless thing...* * * I will admit that I was waning in my Joni love at this point, though I always waited with ...baited breath for the next release knowing there were crumbs and morsels to devour. And then came... Night Ride Home (CD) ...*and the worst are full of compassion without mercy...* Turbulent Indigo (CD) ...*let me speak, let me spit out my bitterness...* * * and then this wonderful tool on my computer in 1994 called WebCrawler that let me find this list of compatriots and we all gathered together waiting for the next release in a community of believers: Taming the Tiger (CD) *...we should just surrender let fate and duty shape us...* Both Sides Now (CD) I will never forget sitting in my truck hearing Both Sides Now on KGSR the Sunday evening before the release thinking about Wally's recent passing and weeping in my pickup. Jody Denberg comes on after the song is over and talks about Wally his website creation, his relationship to Joni and ends with this tribute to Wally: *Sweet Bird you are briefer then a falling star....* I have always felt that "Both Sides Now" is a tribute to Wally. Shine (Digital & CD) ...*Shie on all the churches they all love less and less...* * * So my memory wasn't so fuzzy after all. Peace, Craig NP: Joni Mitchell - Good Friends ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:13:19 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni Progression Not exactly, but as an information/interview junkie I've read and listened to a lot of Joni interviews, plus all the onstage stories she's told, so in essence I have been exposed to a diary of sorts over the years. I checked the extensive Library to find the story about that incident but couldn't pinpoint it. At least I was able to remember the gist of it. Bob NP: Jeff Buckley, "Eternal Life" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:32:59 -0600 From: Happy The Man Subject: Re: My Joni Progression You said, "1976 - Eighth Album - Hejira - I feel the same way most others do about this release - astonishingly beautiful - sophisticated and such a good piece of music to listen to when your high." Well next time your in Austin, Simon I'll save you a bowl and will go old school on the turntable. Peace, Craig Sent from my Kindle Fire _____________________________________________ From: Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com Sent: Wed Jan 18 14:06:22 CST 2012 To: joni@smoe.org Subject: My Joni Progression I really am enjoying this thread......here is mine...... 1974 - First Album - Court & Spark - Met my first real love at 17 and Help Me was the theme song and my introduction to Joni I recall going home for weeks and listening to that album over and over - especially "The Same Situation " which would stay in my head daily for several months. 1974 - Second Album - Ladies of the Canyon - After I heard Court and Spark - - I knew I had to hear more from this artist so I purchased Ladies of the Canyon for no other reason than it was appealing to me aesthetically and it contained Woodstock which I already knew from CSNY. While I never warmed up to this album as I have many others, Conversation, Willy, Rainy Night House and The Arrangement were all special songs for me from this release. Morning Morgantown, The Priest, and Blue Boy are 3 songs that still remain distant to me to this day. While I love The Circle Game, I think Tom Rush's version is the better of all of the covers I have heard including the Original. 1974 - Third Album - Song to A Seagull - I think Joni's most underrated album of all of her material. I had a King, Marcie and the Dawntreader are 3 of my favorite songs she has composed throughout her career (Top 10) and I had a King may be my #1 favorite composition . 1974 - Miles of Aisles - Fourth Album - Purchased this after I saw the tour in Boston. The LA Express Rocks on this Album. I loved this tour and I thought her music fit so well with that band. I am sorry she moved on so quickly as I would have loved to see her make another studio album with these same musicians. 1975 - Fifth Album - Blue - No need to elaborate here. There is nothing on this album I don't adore. In my opinion, its the best compilation of music on 1 album ever released. Its Joni's finest hour and her masterpiece. 1975 - Sixth Album - For The Roses - To me - Her Second best album. Lesson in Survival is such a great song and one of those songs that I would listen to over and over when I was depressed or down in the dumps. Barangrill, Woman of Heart and Mind and Blonde in the Bleachers are astonishingly beautiful both musically and lyrically. The only song I never appreciated (and still don't) from this release is the title song. 1975 - Seventh Album Hissing - Bought this when it was released. A very good album but so so so different from her previous material. Edith, Harry's House and Scarlett are easily my 3 favorites here. To this day - I still skip over the Jungle Line. 1976 - Eighth Album - Hejira - I feel the same way most others do about this release - astonishingly beautiful - sophisticated and such a good piece of music to listen to when your high. Sharon, Hejira and Furry stand above everything else but the whole album is just so excellent 1976 - Ninth Album - Clouds - I sort of equate this with LOTC as far as overall quality There are some beautiful songs on this album including I Don't Know Where I Stand and Song About the Midway as the 2 highlights for me. Overall this album depresses me - the songs are dark and the melodies hauntingly depressing. Chelsea Morniing is the only upbeat song and it feels like it doesn't fit on this release. I also own DJRD, Shadows, Mingus and WTRF and purchased them shortly after they were released. While I occasionally listen to certain cuts from these releases, I have to admit that I fell off the Joni train after Hejira. _____________________________________________ This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. _____________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 16:17:07 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Joni Progression I'm sure I've shared this story before, but I was introduced to Joni at age 13 by my older sister, who talked me into spending my allowance money on Clouds so she wouldn't have to spend *her* money. I bought the record on July 19, 1969 and had to be talked into watching the moon landing because I couldn't tear myself away from the record. I asked for her debut album for Christmas, and from Ladies of the Canyon on, I bought every album as soon as it was released, except for the compilation albums like Prairie Girl. When I first heard Blue, I was confused and annoyed because she didn't sound like the sweet fairy-princess I was accustomed to. I grew to love it, of course, and it was Blue that taught me to allow Joni to change. Nothing she did ever fazed me after that, not even Mingus! - -- Deb Messling dlmessling@gmail.com http://bookbook.typepad.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:12:02 -0500 From: "Gary Z." Subject: Joni Mention Yesterday 1/18/12 on Live With Kelly Actress Marg Helgenberger was on "Live With Kelly" yesterday morning (formerly "Live With Regis and Kelly.") I wasn't paying much attention to the show; it was just kind of on for background noise, until I heard her say "Joni Mitchell" and then of course, I immediately stopped what I was doing and sprinted over to the T.V.! She mentioned being invited to Joni's home for a party on New Year's Eve and talked about what a wonderful time she had, how beautiful Joni's house was, and how the house was filled with numerous musical instruments; she also gushed about how many of Joni's beautiful paintings were on display. She said that the guests also stood around the grand piano and sang "Auld Lang Syne" and simultaneously played the various instruments Joni had available around the house. As I recall, Marg said she played the maracas! Each morning "Live With Kelly" has a trivia contest (the winner usually gets a travel/vacation prize) where they call someone and ask them a question about something from a previous show. This morning the question was: "Whose house did Marg Helgenberger mention she went to on New Year's Eve?" The contestant stumbled for a few moments and then excitedly exclaimed "Joni Mitchell!" It's always nice to catch a little Joni mention when you least expect it! Best regards, Gary Z. Detroit ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 08:32:52 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Hejira & Blue - now your Joni progression? Ha! It worked much better to learn licks off cassette Craig....rewind button! And there were certain Marantz decks you could buy with 1/2 speed motor switch which helped too! Albums were much better for smoking bongs to, where the only decision you had to make was "side 1 or side 2". Dave On Jan 19, 2012, at 8:19 AM, Happy The Man wrote: > Though I assume you destroyed a few albums over the years learning them licks along the way. I remember those lovely summer days of headphones and bean bag chair. > > Peace, Craig > > Sent from my Kindle Fire > > From: Dave Blackburn > Sent: Tue Jan 17 10:07:55 CST 2012 > To: Marion Leffler > Cc: Lori Fye , Ken , joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Hejira & Blue - now your Joni progression? > > All these posts about albums that grew on us over time endorse the importance of the ALBUM as a format. Although individual tracks might grow on you over time they are like atomized sentences (the Twitter phenomenon) instead of as a coherent set of paragraphs making a cogent argument. The demise of the album format is very unfortunate for both the serious artist and the fans alike. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 14:08:41 -0500 From: Victor Subject: Re: Concept albums (NJC) Speaking of concept albums, Jethro Tull will perform the entire "Thick as a Brick" on tour this year for the 40th anniversary. European dates have already been announced...waiting for U.S. Victor in Atlanta Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2012, at 12:43 PM, Ken wrote: > It would be interesting to see how many true "theme" or "concept" albums we > could come up with. I was just listening to the Argent album, "Circus," the > other day. > > > Kenny B > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Susan Tierney McNamara > To: Dave Blackburn ; Marion Leffler > > Cc: Lori Fye ; Ken ; joni > > Sent: Tue, Jan 17, 2012 6:35 am > Subject: RE: Hejira & Blue - now your Joni progression? > > > I agree so much, Dave, and I also love the idea of a concept album, since I > still adore some of the old rock opera thematic albums, Tommy and > Quadrophenia, > Passion Play, The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway ... do we see anything with this > type of breadth anymore? Plus the idea of a 12 to 15 minute track ... I know > it's all so quaint and pretentious, blah blah ... > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Dave > Blackburn > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 11:08 AM > To: Marion Leffler > Cc: Lori Fye; Ken; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Hejira & Blue - now your Joni progression? > > All these posts about albums that grew on us over time endorse the importance > of > the ALBUM as a format. Although individual tracks might grow on you over time > they are like atomized sentences (the Twitter phenomenon) instead of as a > coherent set of paragraphs making a cogent argument. The demise of the album > format is very unfortunate for both the serious artist and the fans alike. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2012 #1 *************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send tojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------