From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #883 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jmdl.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, January 18 2012 Volume 2011 : Number 883 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Hejira & Blue - now your Joni progression? [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Hejira & Blue - now your Joni progression? [Marion Leffler ] Re: Hejira & Blue - now your Joni progression? [Ken ] RE: Hejira & Blue - now your Joni progression? NJC [Susan Tierney McNamar] Re: Vanity Fair Feb 2012 [Moni Kellermann ] RE: Hejira & Blue - now your Joni progression? NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Concept albums [Ken ] RE: Hejira & Blue - now your Joni progression? [Susan Tierney McNamara ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 09:11:26 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Hejira & Blue - now your Joni progression? I have digressed ... what's your "Joni progression?"> That's a great question, Lori - and I'm sure like you I'll stumble a bit and not be EXACTLY right, but there are certainly some touchstones that I absolutely know are correct. The first Joni I bought was Hejira, shortly after it came out. Court and Spark (which I had heard at a friend's house) followed that, and then HOSL. I bought DJRD when it came out. Skipped Mingus, but loved Shadows and Light, bought it about a month after it came out (had been listening to a cassette that I made from a radio broadcast prior to the purchase). Bought WTRF when it came out, loved it then, still do. It got me through my isolation when I moved to Greenville in 1981. Bought DED in '85 when it came out - I remember hearing samples of it on NPR on a morning show. Our neighbors had Clouds and Blue, so I made tapes from those albums and heard them for the first time around 1987/8. Was absolutely mesmerized by Clouds, not so much with Blue. Didn't buy CMIARS, a friend had it on CD and also had one of those new-fangled CD players, so he made me a tape of it. I remember that it wouldn't fit on a 45-minute side, so I had to cut a song. I'm sure that y'all are guessing that I cut "Dancing Clown" but it was actually "Tea-Leaf Prophecy" that missed the cut. Shortly after that, I bought my own CD player (a 6-disc changer that I still have 25 years later) and had to upgrade my collection. I joined BMG Music Club and picked up Clouds, Blue, For The Roses (first time), Court And Spark, MOA (first time), Hissing, Hejira, DJRD, (still skipped Mingus) Shadows and Light, DED, CMIARS. By then NRH came out and I got it from BMG when it was available from them (typically 3-6 months after release). CMIARS had squashed my enthusiasm for Joni a bit. It was around that time that another friend who knew I was a Joni fan gave me her cassette copy of Mingus because she didn't like it. I liked it enough to turn around and get it on CD. Turbulent Indigo came out and I wasn't overly interested as NRH didn't really get me going either. When it won the Grammys I picked it up and thought it was great. Finally got around to picking up Mingus on CD. Then I joined the JMDL in late 1997 and quickly realized that I needed to complete my discography and get STAS which I had NEVER heard, with the exception of "Night In The City", so I got TWO new Joni's that year when TTT came out a wee bit later. Quite a contrast between those 2 records but I liked them both a bunch. I also picked up "Hits" that year just for Urge For Going. After that and being immersed in JMDL-land, I picked up the recordings when they came out (including the Geffen Box), and in the case of T'log and Shine I got copies before they were released. That's my Joni Timeline and I'm sticking to it. I haven't picked up any of the compilations yet and don't know why I would. Furthermore, between 1998 and present-day I've racked up hundreds of live shows, interviews, and let's not even get into Joni covers.... And yes, when the boxsets and rarities hit the stores, I'll be the first in line. Thanks again, Lori - it's fun to retread the crooked path, and thanks to everyone that has made the journey that much more special. Bob NP: John Legend, "Little Ghetto Boy" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 10:55:49 +0100 From: Marion Leffler Subject: Re: Hejira & Blue - now your Joni progression? Hi Lori, interesting to learn about your Joni progression. Mine was in order up to and including Wild things run fast. I am old enough to have been able to purchase all her albums as they were released. After WTRF I had a long pause from Joni and music for reasons not clear to me. I got busy raising my kids, I guess. In 2006 I accidently stumbled across the dvd WOHAM in my local library and took it home with me. And shortly after I joined the jmdl. I bought every album on cd, starting in order, except for The Classic Album with the later version of BSN, which I purchased first. Listening through all the albums I found -not surprising - that my preferences had changed after all these years. I was indifferent to Hejira when I heard it in the 70's, now it's one of my absolute favourites, together with The Hissing of Summer Lawns. I find I play these two most of the time. When I first bought Mingus, I played it once or twice but could not really get into it. Now I think it is one of her best. - Funny how songs I hardly noticed when I was younger have become so much more meaningful to me, while others that I lived by now still are fine but do not move me the same way. Joni's music reflects her growth, and our reaction to it reflects ours, I guess. Marion 2012/1/17 Lori Fye > I was wrong! Mingus came along before Blue, LOTC, Shadow Play, Clouds, > STAS ... > > I received it for my 21st birthday from a high school friend, just a few > weeks after I'd moved to Phoenix, and of course I had to love that it opens > with Happy Birthday ... > > ;-) > > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 08:59:55 -0800 From: Mary Morris Subject: FW: Vanity Fair Feb 2012 with link Thanks to moni k. for providing the link to Vanity Fair Joni quote, that the computer illiterate that is me, was not able to. GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS > Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 17:23:39 +0100 > From: kellerfrau@gmx.de > To: joni2city@hotmail.com > CC: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Vanity Fair Feb 2012 > > Am 17.01.2012 06:15, Wie Mary Morris so vortrefflich formulierte: > > Imagine my utter delight& surprise when I opened my pages of Vanity Fair& > > found a decent article about architecture titled : They Paved Paradise and > > Live in a Parking Lot. > > For those who want to open their browsers to read it: > http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2012/02/lincoln-road-201202 > > moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:39:52 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Subject: Re: Hejira & Blue - now your Joni progression? You're preachin' to the choir, Dave. Any time you'd like to stop by and see my collection of vinyl (albums), please feel free. That said, I must admit to buying "singles" off iTunes when I don't like an entire album by someone. Just because they grouped 'em all together & released them as an album doesn't make 'em good, don'tcha think? Kenny B - -----Original Message----- From: Dave Blackburn To: Marion Leffler Cc: Lori Fye ; Ken ; joni Sent: Tue, Jan 17, 2012 6:07 am Subject: Re: Hejira & Blue - now your Joni progression? All these posts about albums that grew on us over time endorse the importance of the ALBUM as a format. Although individual tracks might grow on you over time they are like atomized sentences (the Twitter phenomenon) instead of as a coherent set of paragraphs making a cogent argument. The demise of the album format is very unfortunate for both the serious artist and the fans alike. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:21:28 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Hejira & Blue - now your Joni progression? NJC Of course, Bob ... my obsession with Porcupine Tree is ongoing! How could I forget!! From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com [mailto:Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 1:15 PM To: Susan Tierney McNamara Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Hejira & Blue - now your Joni progression? NJC do we see anything with this type of breadth anymore? > The Drive-By Truckers "Southern Rock Opera" and Radiohead's "OK Computer" to name two. And you know that Steven Wilson & Porcupine Tree love the 12-15 minute tracks, so yes, that stuff remains ongoing. Bob NP: Joni, "Same Situation"------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 17:23:39 +0100 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: Vanity Fair Feb 2012 Am 17.01.2012 06:15, Wie Mary Morris so vortrefflich formulierte: > Imagine my utter delight& surprise when I opened my pages of Vanity Fair& > found a decent article about architecture titled : They Paved Paradise and > Live in a Parking Lot. For those who want to open their browsers to read it: http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2012/02/lincoln-road-201202 moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:15:12 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: Hejira & Blue - now your Joni progression? NJC do we see anything with this type of breadth anymore? > The Drive-By Truckers "Southern Rock Opera" and Radiohead's "OK Computer" to name two. And you know that Steven Wilson & Porcupine Tree love the 12-15 minute tracks, so yes, that stuff remains ongoing. Bob NP: Joni, "Same Situation" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:43:06 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Subject: Re: Concept albums It would be interesting to see how many true "theme" or "concept" albums we could come up with. I was just listening to the Argent album, "Circus," the other day. Kenny B - -----Original Message----- From: Susan Tierney McNamara To: Dave Blackburn ; Marion Leffler Cc: Lori Fye ; Ken ; joni Sent: Tue, Jan 17, 2012 6:35 am Subject: RE: Hejira & Blue - now your Joni progression? I agree so much, Dave, and I also love the idea of a concept album, since I still adore some of the old rock opera thematic albums, Tommy and Quadrophenia, Passion Play, The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway ... do we see anything with this type of breadth anymore? Plus the idea of a 12 to 15 minute track ... I know it's all so quaint and pretentious, blah blah ... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Dave Blackburn Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 11:08 AM To: Marion Leffler Cc: Lori Fye; Ken; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Hejira & Blue - now your Joni progression? All these posts about albums that grew on us over time endorse the importance of the ALBUM as a format. Although individual tracks might grow on you over time they are like atomized sentences (the Twitter phenomenon) instead of as a coherent set of paragraphs making a cogent argument. The demise of the album format is very unfortunate for both the serious artist and the fans alike. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 16:35:51 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Hejira & Blue - now your Joni progression? I agree so much, Dave, and I also love the idea of a concept album, since I still adore some of the old rock opera thematic albums, Tommy and Quadrophenia, Passion Play, The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway ... do we see anything with this type of breadth anymore? Plus the idea of a 12 to 15 minute track ... I know it's all so quaint and pretentious, blah blah ... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Dave Blackburn Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 11:08 AM To: Marion Leffler Cc: Lori Fye; Ken; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Hejira & Blue - now your Joni progression? All these posts about albums that grew on us over time endorse the importance of the ALBUM as a format. Although individual tracks might grow on you over time they are like atomized sentences (the Twitter phenomenon) instead of as a coherent set of paragraphs making a cogent argument. The demise of the album format is very unfortunate for both the serious artist and the fans alike. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 02:51:39 -0600 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Hejira & Blue - now your Joni progression? I was wrong! Mingus came along before Blue, LOTC, Shadow Play, Clouds, STAS ... I received it for my 21st birthday from a high school friend, just a few weeks after I'd moved to Phoenix, and of course I had to love that it opens with Happy Birthday ... ;-) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 14:39:07 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Hejira & Blue - now your Joni progression? I first heard "Blue" on the radio ... I purchased Court & Spark for my mother for Christmas then promptly stole it ... I heard Song for a Seagull at my aunt's house and bought that, Clouds, Blue, For the Roses, Miles of Ailes, Hissing, Hejira, Don Juan, Shadow & Light, Mingus, and Dog Eat Dog (it helped that Joni always released an album before Christmas, most of these were Christmas presents) ... then I went on this weird Joni hiatus ... I think it was because I was really poor during those years and busy raising a kid and working ... then one day I heard a song off of Night Ride Home (I think it was Come in From the Cold) and freaked out that Joni had a new album out. I completely missed Chalkmark. Then when Turbulent Indigo came out I went into full Joni obsession again, and had to learn how to play each song on the guitar (which I had picked up again after 15 years). It's frustrating that the technology keeps changing ... but I now have the whole catalog and a bunch of live stuff (courtesy of jmdl) on my Itunes. My vinyl is still around in my shed but I don't have a turntable ... I have to do something about that! :-) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Lori Fye Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 3:52 AM To: Ken; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Hejira & Blue - now your Joni progression? I was wrong! Mingus came along before Blue, LOTC, Shadow Play, Clouds, STAS ... I received it for my 21st birthday from a high school friend, just a few weeks after I'd moved to Phoenix, and of course I had to love that it opens with Happy Birthday ... ;-) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 17:18:05 -0600 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Concept albums (NJC) > Speaking of concept albums, Jethro Tull ... ... created (imo) a masterpiece with "A Passion Play." LOVE that album, loved the tour (smoky/hazy as it was at Kent State University, LOL ...) Lori Tioga, ND ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #883 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------