From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #758 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jmdl.com JMDL Digest Friday, December 16 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 758 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Furry [Vincenzo Mancini ] Frozen rivers [Ken Evans ] Re: Furry [Michael Flaherty ] RE: Furry [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: Furry NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Furry [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Furry NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: Furry [Catherine McKay ] Re: Furry [Bob Muller ] Re: References in River [Lc Stanley ] RE: Furry [Susan Tierney McNamara ] RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #755 [Mary Morris ] Re: JMDL Digest V2011 #756 [bill smallwood ] Re: Furry [Vincenzo ] Re: The State of the JMDL [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 16:14:17 +0000 (GMT) From: Vincenzo Mancini Subject: Furry The Mingus sessions: honey for greedy bears! Didn't we read lately about Jaco being responsible for replacing Jeremy Lubbock with Herbie Hancock? And think about Jaco replaced by Stanley Clarke or Eddie Gomez! John McLaughlin doubling her guitar? I am surely forgetting somebody else Not that I have ever been unhappy with a single note of the official sessions... And yet, could you still speak after your first listening to the Hissing's demos? ________________________________ Da: Susan Tierney McNamara A: Vincenzo Mancini ; "joni@smoe.org" Inviato: Venerdl 16 Dicembre 2011 15:41 Oggetto: RE: Furry These sessions are so amazing ... my wish list ... dvd/box set with these sessions and the mingus session ... can you hear me Santa!!! :-) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Vincenzo Mancini Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:30 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Furry I know this is not news to some of us since I caught it some years ago before it disappeared leaving the video of Hejira of the same session alone around... but I never saw the segment of the discussion before the song! Bows (and flows of angel hair...) to siquomb1 and thanks for sharing! Enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGJyjFhCgkE&feature=autoplay&list=UUHQjvLBC1zo UCqry3fWOi-A&lf=plcp&playnext=1 Vincenzo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 09:58:00 -0500 From: Ken Evans Subject: Frozen rivers I would guess everyone knows this, but just in case - you know it's just the top layer of the river that's frozen - underneath it's still a flowing current. If it wasn't then downstream would dry up lol. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:15:43 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Furry >I think I want to hear the Mingus sessions just to see why McLaughlin was not on the released version b& any noise on why that happened? Dueling acoustic masters? I don't think there was any big blow up. Jaco and McLaughlin have played together in other venues (Trio of Doom). I suspect they just found a combination that fit the music better. But as for the "Mingus" outtakes, there's little I would rather see see released! Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 19:49:11 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Furry I agree Dave, he already did an amazing version of Goodbye Porkpie Hat ... my goals beyond ... sigh! - -----Original Message----- From: Dave Blackburn [mailto:beatntrack@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 1:47 PM To: Vincenzo Cc: Susan Tierney McNamara; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Furry I read somewhere that Joni picked the Mingus versions she did because she preferred her own vocal performances the best. That could be the sole reason. I'd love to hear the McLaughlin versions too because he's someone who'd have had no trouble embracing what she was doing harmonically and soaring. Dave On Dec 16, 2011, at 9:54 AM, Vincenzo wrote: > Never heard anything about but her satisfaction in defining the Jaco sessions > as audio paintings, like anybody could read... > > > > Le 16/dic/2011 C 17:17, Susan Tierney McNamara a C)crit : > >> Amen Brother b& the Hissing Demos killed me. I think I want to hear the > Mingus sessions just to see why McLaughlin was not on the released version b& > any noise on why that happened? Dueling acoustic masters? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 13:55:51 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Furry NJC Yeah, I know. Trust me to say it! Sad, isn't it? And yet, so true. Just to make sure everyone has a morbid little Christmas! >________________________________ > From: Bob Muller >To: Catherine McKay >Cc: JMDL >Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 4:32:19 PM >Subject: Re: Furry NJC > > >want this stuff and would be happy to pay for it. But, we're all getting >older. Hint, hint: do this before a lot of us are dead!> > >Hehe, I was gonna say the same thing, but didn't want to go there. > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:46:34 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Furry I read somewhere that Joni picked the Mingus versions she did because she preferred her own vocal performances the best. That could be the sole reason. I'd love to hear the McLaughlin versions too because he's someone who'd have had no trouble embracing what she was doing harmonically and soaring. Dave On Dec 16, 2011, at 9:54 AM, Vincenzo wrote: > Never heard anything about but her satisfaction in defining the Jaco sessions > as audio paintings, like anybody could read... > > > > Le 16/dic/2011 C 17:17, Susan Tierney McNamara a C)crit : > >> Amen Brother b& the Hissing Demos killed me. I think I want to hear the > Mingus sessions just to see why McLaughlin was not on the released version b& > any noise on why that happened? Dueling acoustic masters? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 13:32:19 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Furry NJC Hehe, I was gonna say the same thing, but didn't want to go there. Bob NP: Verd i Blau, "Both Sides Now" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:56:58 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Furry Attention anyone in the record biz that has the power to release this stuff, or that can pass the word on to Joni: there's a bunch of people out here who want this stuff and would be happy to pay for it. But, we're all getting older. Hint, hint: do this before a lot of us are dead! >________________________________ > From: Bob Muller >To: Dave Blackburn ; Vincenzo >Cc: Susan Tierney McNamara ; "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 2:40:48 PM >Subject: Re: Furry > >It just kills me that all this stuff is out there stashed away. Granted, we've >got a LOT of stuff that we're not supposed to have, but there's a treasure >chest in the vaults that would be great to hear. I was just listening to Bob >Dylan's Bootleg #8 with unreleased tracks, alternate recordings, etc. Great >stuff and I just wish Joni would consent to treat her fans in a similar >manner. > >Bob > >NP: Kurt Vile, "In My Time" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:40:48 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Furry It just kills me that all this stuff is out there stashed away. Granted, we've got a LOT of stuff that we're not supposed to have, but there's a treasure chest in the vaults that would be great to hear. I was just listening to Bob Dylan's Bootleg #8 with unreleased tracks, alternate recordings, etc. Great stuff and I just wish Joni would consent to treat her fans in a similar manner. Bob NP: Kurt Vile, "In My Time" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 07:06:52 -0800 (PST) From: Lc Stanley Subject: Re: References in River Very cool! Oh I wish I had a river I could snow kite away on! ________________________________ From: Catherine McKay To: Lc Stanley ; Ken ; "joni@smoe.org" Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 8:45 AM Subject: Re: References in River The St Lawrence also freezes in places as well. I googled for images and found something that looks like a lot of fun: snow-kiting on the frozen St Lawrence. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RklCo-sAZc >________________________________ > From: Lc Stanley >To: Ken ; "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 9:00:57 AM >Subject: Re: References in River > >Howdy, > >I saw the Missouri River freeze when I lived in Bellevue, Nebraska. >It flows so fast that it froze in huge chunks some of which kept moving >slowly and pushed up like icebergs... you couldn't skate on it unless you were >like the people on that Japanese obstacle course show. Last year when I flew >over Lake Michigan in February, a lot of it was frozen like a big mosaic art >picture. Very beautiful. > >Love, >Laura > > >________________________________ >From: Ken >To: joni@smoe.org >Sent: Friday, December 16, >2011 7:26 AM >Subject: Re: References in River > >Even the mighty Hudson River >by NYC has frozen over in days gone by; I've seen >photos of cars and trucks >driving across it in the past. And, yes! Those >god-awful decorations are not >only a thing of the past but still exist in some >places... seems they stand up >remarkably well if taken care of and stored >properly. > > > Kenny B > > >From: >Betsy Blue >Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:11 PM >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Lawn reindeer > >First, were these god-awful outdoor decorations really >a thing in the 60s? >It doesn't seem possible. (No offense to any Griswalds on >the list. >Christmas happens to be sparkling out on my neighbor's lawn--and >roof.) > >Second, can a river really freeze? There's some skating on frozen >streams in >Circle Game, so I must conclude this is not a metaphor. Forgive the >ignorance and Cali-centricity. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 16:17:27 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Furry Amen Brother ... the Hissing Demos killed me. I think I want to hear the Mingus sessions just to see why McLaughlin was not on the released version ... any noise on why that happened? Dueling acoustic masters? From: Vincenzo Mancini [mailto:vincmancini@yahoo.it] Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 11:14 AM To: Susan Tierney McNamara; joni@smoe.org Subject: Furry The Mingus sessions: honey for greedy bears! Didn't we read lately about Jaco being responsible for replacing Jeremy Lubbock with Herbie Hancock? And think about Jaco replaced by Stanley Clarke or Eddie Gomez! John McLaughlin doubling her guitar? I am surely forgetting somebody else Not that I have ever been unhappy with a single note of the official sessions... And yet, could you still speak after your first listening to the Hissing's demos? Da: Susan Tierney McNamara A: Vincenzo Mancini ; "joni@smoe.org" Inviato: Venerdl 16 Dicembre 2011 15:41 Oggetto: RE: Furry These sessions are so amazing ... my wish list ... dvd/box set with these sessions and the mingus session ... can you hear me Santa!!! :-) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Vincenzo Mancini Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:30 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Furry I know this is not news to some of us since I caught it some years ago before it disappeared leaving the video of Hejira of the same session alone around... but I never saw the segment of the discussion before the song! Bows (and flows of angel hair...) to siquomb1 and thanks for sharing! Enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGJyjFhCgkE&feature=autoplay&list=UUHQjvLBC1zo UCqry3fWOi-A&lf=plcp&playnext=1 Vincenzo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 13:27:03 -0800 From: Mary Morris Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #755 This video WAS new to me. I really loved all the musicians on this. Thanks, Vince. GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS > Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:53:59 -0500 > From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #755 > > > JMDL Digest Thursday, December 15 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 755 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: Furry [Bob Muller ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:51:10 -0800 (PST) > From: Bob Muller > Subject: Re: Furry > > Thanks Vincenzo, that audio before the song was new to me too. LOVE that > performance; makes we wish she had re-imagined Travelogue with that level of > energy and spontaneity. > > Bob > > NP: Wild Flag, "Boom" > ________________________________ > From: Vincenzo Mancini > > To: "joni@smoe.org" > Sent: Thursday, > December 15, 2011 6:30 PM > Subject: Furry > > I know this is not news to some of > us since I caught it some years ago before > it disappeared leaving the video of > Hejira of the same session alone around... > but I never saw the segment of the > discussion before the song! > Bows (and flows > of angel hair...) to siquomb1 and > thanks for sharing! > Enjoy > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGJyjFhCgkE&feature=autoplay&list=UUHQjvLBC1zo > UCqry3fWOi-A&lf=plcp&playnext=1 > > > Vincenzo > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2011 #755 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 07:05:58 -0800 (PST) From: bill smallwood Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2011 #756 Not sure why the list recycled this message days later, but hey, it's another opportunity to check them out if you haven't already! In the interest of full disclosure, I'll say that I designed their website....but I'm not paid or anything. I'm just a big fan that thought they deserved to have a nice looking website, so I'm helping them out since they have no label backing or anything. :) - --- On Fri, 12/16/11, JMDL Digest wrote: From: JMDL Digest Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #756 To: joni-digest@smoe.org Date: Friday, December 16, 2011, 3:00 AM JMDL Digest Friday, December 16 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 756 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Music that gets compared to Joni a lot [bill smallwood Subject: Music that gets compared to Joni a lot Hi All! I just wanted to share some music you guys might like. I really dig this English acoustic duo called The Douglas Firs, and as I mentioned before, of all the groups people compare them to, the general consensus is Joni Mitchell. I suppose it's a bit like Tom Waits, in that even if somebody kinda reminds you of him, nobody really sounds quite like him, but still....give it a listen and see what you think. It's just nice music, and you never can have too much of that, can you? http://www.thedouglasfirs.com (you can stream their whole CD right off the Music page, no sample snippets to deal with) Their singer, Suzy, has a very melodious voice. It's just her and Jimmy, the guitarist, so they have a very minimalist acoustic sound on the majority of their songs. If you only have time for one song, my personal favorite is probably "Regrets and Cigarettes", though everyone else seems to prefer "I Don't Want to Go to Bed". Anyway, hope it's ok that I posted this. I just like them a lot and wanted to share with other folks who appreciate the same kind of music. Thanks! Bill - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #756 ***************************** - ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 18:54:01 +0100 From: Vincenzo Subject: Re: Furry Never heard anything about but her satisfaction in defining the Jaco sessions as audio paintings, like anybody could read... Le 16/dic/2011 C 17:17, Susan Tierney McNamara a C)crit : > Amen Brother b& the Hissing Demos killed me. I think I want to hear the Mingus sessions just to see why McLaughlin was not on the released version b& any noise on why that happened? Dueling acoustic masters? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 15:05:23 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The State of the JMDL If it came to having to do away with smoe, and we were to vote, my vote would be for google groups. Jim, I know the kind of message boards you're talking about. Just from my own point of view - and others will and should differ - I find those kinds of boards difficult to deal with. They're fine if you want to ask a simple question, or to vote on your favourite song/album/etc but, if you're going to have any kind of dialogue, I find them difficult. As well, I find it difficult to get really interested in a topic in that particular format. Maybe it's just me and maybe I'm just too used to smoe's way of working. People always resist change at first but then, they either adapt or, um, die - OK maybe not that drastic - maybe they just go away. There may be others who prefer that sort of thing. At least, with a group (whether it's yahoo, google or something else that might exist), you have the option of either going to the group website to get your info, or else having emails sent to you. I'm assu >________________________________ > From: Moni Kellermann >To: Michael Flaherty >Cc: Jim L'Hommedieu ; "lesirvin@gmail.com" ; JMDL >Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 1:32:24 PM >Subject: Re: The State of the JMDL > >Am 27.11.2011 18:16, Wie Michael Flaherty so vortrefflich formulierte: >>> Here's another idea. Chuck the email subscription metaphor and go to a >> forum metaphor. [...] >> I don't know if those bands have to pay for their >> forums or not. >> >> >> >> >> Yes, this would be better, but I didn't suggest it because >> these forums are not free, and you have to do your own maintenance. >> >> I think >> it's safe to say that Joni would not be interested in setting this up herself, >> so it would all (cost and work) have to come from list members. >> >> Michael F. >> > > >What about Google Groups? You can use it via your browser or mobile >device or your mail program, it can store files and it can be >restricted, i.e. non-public and not indexed by search engines. > >http://www.google.com/intl/en/googlegroups/tour3/index.html > >moni k. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #758 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------