From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #609 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jmdl.com JMDL Digest Friday, November 25 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 609 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Song for Sharon now T-giving and foods and NJC [Lori Fye ] Re: Song for Sharon now T-giving and foods and NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: Song for Sharon [T Peckham ] Re: Song for Sharon [Catherine McKay ] Re: Song for Sharon now T-giving and foods and NJC [Lori Fye ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 11:41:20 -0600 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Song for Sharon now T-giving and foods and NJC > I remember when joni was on a talk show in the mid nineties promoting hits > and misses an audience member asked her for a favorite recipe and she > described a dish called "apple oink" which was caramelized apple and > pork chops. Was that recipe included in the cookbook the JMDL sent to Joni? ; ) Lori Tioga, ND ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 09:11:07 +0000 From: Paul Castle Subject: Chaka talks Joni Just found this interview with Chaka Khan talking about her upcoming "Rare Jazz Quartet" shows at The Birchmere, VA next week (Nov 29 & 29), "her philosophies of live performance and why she cant get enough of her hero Joni Mitchell" - http://bit.ly/tmNEu4 Here's what she says about Joni >>> BLADE: Joni Mitchell is another singer who did significant jazz work alongside her pop stuff. Which of her songs will you be covering? Im sure youll be doing, well, of course right now I cant think of it, the song from Wild Things Run Fast that you recorded. KHAN: Ladies Man, yes of course Ill be doing that. BLADE: Yes, thats it. I could totally imagine you singing Moon at the Window too. KHAN: Yes, thats another good one. Im doing a few others of my favorites, I mean I could go on and on and on, but some of my favorites at the moment like Hissing of Summer Lawns, Sunny Sunday and a few others. Ill keep some surprises. BLADE: So it sounds like youve gotten to know Joni a little. Have you been able to spend time with her and get to know her beyond just expressing your admiration? KHAN: Oh yes, weve spent a good bit of time together. BLADE: Ill get back to your concerts in a second, but this is fascinating since shes become rather reclusive. Whats she like one on one? I know shes quite outspoken. KHAN: Yes, very outspoken. Shes really a philosopher at heart. Shes truly one of the brightest geniuses we have. Certainly a musical genius but in every other way as well. I love to just listen to her talk and speak on current events and blah blah blah, you know, all sorts of things. Shes just so buried in, you know, whats going on. She knows everything, as you can tell. BLADE: Did you like her last album Shine? KHAN: Oh yeah, I like everything she does. BLADE: Do you think shell record again? KHAN: Well shes moved up to Canada again and I think shes kind of chilling a bit but I think shes writing. I hope so. Id be devastated if she never did another album. >>> best to all PaulC NW 'Man From Mars' by Chaka Khan - love the solo section with Mark Stephens (keys), Melvin Davis (bass) and Vinnie Colaiuta (drums) - http://youtu.be/JWP7CrvuUmE ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 16:45:30 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Song for Sharon now T-giving and foods and NJC And I had shrimp and crab at a Thai restaurant. A unique Thanksgiving meal for me I have to say. Anyway, thanksgiving for me is hanging out with friends and family, none of which are nearby. So to quote Rocky, "for you it's Thanksgiving, for me it's Thursday". We are having a catered lunch today with turkey and all the trimmings for the ex-pats so that will be cool. Bob NP: The Beatles, "Eleanor Rigby" (the only Beatles song on which none of them play an instrument) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 07:09:17 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Song for Sharon now T-giving and foods and NJC Yes, turkey is the thing here in Canada too, for Thanksgiving and Christmas, even New Year's and often Easter. I don't know how that came about, but someone did a good marketing job. Perhaps too good, since the turkey industry has been trying to make turkey "not just for Christmas and Thanksgiving!" but without a lot of success. I'm not a big fan of turkey. Don't like it much at all, and it takes forever to cook one anyway and my family is small, so it's not worth it to me to get one, particularly since my son is vegetarian. Cooking one of those big-ass holiday dinners just tires me out and makes me cranky - not that it takes much to make me tired and cranky anyway! >________________________________ > From: Lori Fye >To: Joni List ; gerard mclaughlin ; Catherine McKay >Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 5:34:56 PM >Subject: Re: Song for Sharon now T-giving and foods and NJC > >> Turkeys somehow never suggested harvest thanksgiving to me. > >Yeah, I'm not sure how turkeys became the centerpiece of the American >version of the holiday. (Is it the same in Canada?) Since Thanksgiving >really is more about being thankful for a good harvest, you'd think the >holiday meal would be centered around fall vegetables and fruits. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 09:27:10 -0600 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Song for Sharon now T-giving and foods and NJC > Perhaps too good, since the turkey industry has been trying to make turkey > "not just for Christmas and Thanksgiving!" but without a lot of success. The turkey industry still has to compete with the ham industry, as ham remains a popular entree for Thanksgiving and Christmas. And then of course there's the Easter ham, which seems to be a "must" for those who observe that holiday. I've never understood that, although I've decided it's a way for Christians to completely offend Jews during Passover. Lori Tioga, ND ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 20:19:43 +0000 (GMT) From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" Subject: Re: Song for Sharon All, Couldn't agree more. Fascinating comparison with John & Yoko, although they are definitely not of equal talent 10-0. Paul and Linda is almost a perfect example of the traditional male and female roles being acted out in a Rock Star scenario. Gerard has it right with the dynamic of the driven. Consuming the fuel of the relationship's passion in the nuclear reactor of composing/performing. It is both a blessing and a curse to be that talented, and their suffering gives us our pleasure. What I see as the elephant in the room is did she make a conscious choice not to be a mother again, once money was no object? John >----Original Message---- >From: anima_rising@yahoo.ca >Date: 25/11/2011 15:03 >To: "gerard mclaughlin", "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" >Cc: "joni@smoe. org" >Subj: Re: Song for Sharon > >It's also more difficult for a woman than a man, IMO. There is traditionally an expectation that women are the nurturers, taking care of their men, most certainly in Joni's time.Although I think there have been some changes and improvements (I think of couples younger than me where both parents take parental leave and fathers at least appear to share the childraising equally with mothers), more is still expected from women in caring for a family, and every generation is influenced by the one preceding it so there's going to be some guilt if you try to swim against the flow. If you're a woman artist and you have a relationship with a man, you're more likely to sacrifice, or to be expected to sacrifice, your art for the sake of family. This is also often true in same-sex relationships, where one partner is generally more of the nurturing "motherly" type. As well, if one has a job that pays more than the other, that earner's job is often considered to be > "more important" than the other's, so the one with less income usually ends up taking on most of the unpaid domestic work.B I think it must be very difficult for any artist to be true to their muse and also to maintain a healthy relationship with another person but that it's more difficult for women, because of cultural/societal expectations and that, even knowing and wanting to pursue art over everything, a woman in such a relationship often feels torn. Joni has mentioned her grandmother who was musical who would act out anger over having to sacrifice her art to be a "good wife" (something about slamming or kicking a door comes to mind.) Having seen that, she would be fully aware of the expectation that a woman should give up her art in order to be a wife and mother. I believe she's still always attracted to men, and they to her, and it's always great at the beginning but somewhere, something has to give."We love our loving, but not like we love our > freedom." Where there are two artists involved, there's also a clash between who's the greater or more important artist, I think and, although it's quite possible for them to support each other in an equitable relationship, there's usually an inequality and one ends up giving up part of themself for the sake of the other's career. That shouldn't be necessary and I suppose most relationships are unbalanced in any case, simply because people are messed up and flawed and not always sure what they really want, and then they have such difficulty articulating that (Most of us do not handle any kind of conflict well and either fight or acquiesce and then nurse our grievances) but sometimes it seems to work. I think of John Lennon and Yoko Ono who had their share of problems but where they seemed to have ended up with an artistic and family relationship that worked. (Of course, being extremely wealthy also helps.)B > >And we don't call her Our Lady of Duality for nothing. Joni expresses very well in so many of her songs her mixed feeings about love and life. > > > > >>________________________________ >> From: gerard mclaughlin >>To: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" >>Cc: joni@smoe.org >>Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 6:11:20 AM >>Subject: Re: Song for Sharon >> >>I think she was running away from all her commitments during this time. >>Blue Motel Room tells of someone still clinging though, still bound and >>tied to someone.Bound and tied is an interesting way to put it and might be >>in accord with what you've just posted, John. Personally I think she just >>couldn't hack anything anymore. The artist in turmoil striking out, running >>away and going inside at the same time to find new ways of expressing >>herself. Producing a startling work as a result in Hejira.Freedom has >>always been big in Joni but she never seems to find it in relationships. I >>haven't come accross many folk that do. She said in an interview that >>Picasso always had a new woman for the start of each of his new periods and >>she sort of likened herself to him there.Lots of actors get involved with >>their leading opposites and after the wedding when the filming is over run >>like hell away from it. I guess when you think what you do is who you are >>you can make a lot of mistakes whether youre Joni Mitchell, Hugh Grant or >>Picasso and people who can be of assistance in bolstering that delusion are >>useful for as long as they're useful.Then it's time to move on and create >>something else with somebody elses love to fuel your passion.When the job >>comes first the people in your life always suffer. Ask any workaholic's >>wife/partner/children/friends/mother... lol. A life at the top level in the >>Arts must be really demanding of your time and resourcesB let alone having >>to commitedly live through the problems that come with a long term >>relationship. Joni knew early on that she couldn't stop sticking her teeth >>into the hands that brought her things she really couldn't give up just >>yet even although all she really really wanted to do was to sing to the >>sound hole and her knee. She got too sucked in by the industry to have a >>normal life, whatever that is. Theres my tuppence worth. Tosh and bunkum >>but I'll post it anyway as my reply to yours. >> >>On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 7:54 AM, johnnybgoode@lineone.net < >>johnnybgoode@lineone.net> wrote: >> >>> All, >>> >>> >>> Although the details are interesting this is a quite explicit >>> and detailed song. It to my mind begs the question was Joni a >>> commitment-phobe like a female Hugh Grant? Even though it is wrong to >>> generalise from songs and "All I want" and "My Old Man" suggest the >>> opposite. Perhaps it is too intrusive to pursue that line of thought? >>> >>> >>> John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 08:22:11 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Song for Sharon now T-giving and foods and NJC Fresh salmon frying and the tide rooooolling in There was milk and toast and honey and a bowl of oranges too I bring him apples and cheeses Marcie in a coat of flowers stops inside a candy store Reds are sweet and greens are sour Marcie buys a bag of peaches She may bake some brownies today Annie bakes her cakes and her breads and she gathers flowers for her home Eating muffin buns and berries by the steamy kitchen window Some get the gravy, some get the gristle, some get the marrow bone Who made this salty soup? Ok, so some of these are a stretch. We had pork roast for dinner yesterday. Travis didn't feel like bothering with a turkey and that was fine with me. Delicious meal with Melanie as our guest. None of us have family in town and we don't like being the outsider at someone else's family gathering. So we have a tradition that the three of us have Thanksgiving and usually Christmas dinner together. It's nice, relaxed, no dysfunctional stuff to deal with. Mark in Seattle where the sky is actually clear on this Black Friday morning - -----Original Message----- From: gerard mclaughlin Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 2:28 AM To: Bob Muller Cc: Lori Fye ; Joni List ; Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Song for Sharon now T-giving and foods and NJC I wonder what Joni had ? Has she ever sang about turkeys or any meat for that matter. I think she sings about cookin fish but that could be me mixing her up with jesus after the resurection...his best album in my opinion. i know the frying pan was too wide at one point but she didnt mention what she might be cookin in it and i know she was sitting on her groceries at the empire hotel but again never let on to what was in her shopping bag. any ideas ? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 22:24:08 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Song for Sharon now T-giving and foods and NJC > Bob > > NP: The Beatles, "Eleanor Rigby" (the only Beatles song > on which none of them play an instrument) > ...except for the other two..... RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 10:22:56 -0600 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Song for Sharon now T-giving and foods and NJC > I've lost 45 pounds since mid-February, so I may be doing something right > after all these years. Wow, congrats! Living in North Dakota now, it's all about meat. I've never seen so much beef jerky and so many "meat sticks" in my life. Every store carries several brands, styles, and flavors, and it's always prominently displayed near the cash register. The jerky that comes in the "chew" container, mimicking tobacco chew, cracks me up. I think that's mostly because I use nasal snuff and I can't help but wonder what would happen if I tried to sniff ground jerky. (My mind works in these strange ways, what can I say?) It's also all about processed foods here. Not a lot of fresh veggies or fruits, and most of what is available is rather expensive, although I must say that we seem to get a lot of avocados and they've lately been selling cheap: 88 cents apiece. Makes me wonder if they're "real" avocados or ... ? Lori Tioga, ND ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 10:39:42 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Song for Sharon now T-giving and foods and NJC I googled it and there's an Apple (computers) app called "Oink." That's probably not it! My mother used to make pork tenderloin (one kind of pork I didn't mind eating, come to think of it, as long as it wasn't too often) and she'd stuff it with something using chopped apple and onions. >________________________________ > From: Lori Fye >To: Joni List >Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 12:41:20 PM >Subject: Re: Song for Sharon now T-giving and foods and NJC > >> I remember when joni was on a talk show in the mid nineties promoting hits >> and misses an audience member asked her for a favorite recipe and she >> described a dish called "apple oink" which was caramelized apple and >> pork chops. > >Was that recipe included in the cookbook the JMDL sent to Joni? ; ) > >Lori >Tioga, ND ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 13:14:49 -0600 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Song for Sharon now T-giving and foods and NJC of day ... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 07:37:13 -0800 From: "Anna T. Raner" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2011 #534 Sounds good to me. BTW, I have never posted here before. Sent from my iPad On Nov 16, 2011, at 10:34 PM, owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) wrote: > > JMDL Digest Thursday, November 17 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 534 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > if we go belly up [ava rosenblum ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 00:23:51 -0600 > From: ava rosenblum > Subject: if we go belly up > > should we informally decide that if it should go belly up b4 a back- > up plan in place, we'll discuss it on website bulletin board? > On Nov 16, 2011, at 11:37 PM, JMDL Digest wrote: > >> >> JMDL Digest Thursday, November 17 2011 Volume 2011 : >> Number 533 >> >> >> >> ========== >> >> TOPICS and authors in this Digest: >> -------- >> Re: SMOE [Lori Fye >> ] >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 23:37:12 -0600 >> From: Lori Fye >> Subject: Re: SMOE >> >> My vote would be to continue with SMOE for the time being, with the >> suggestion that "we" (Les? anyone else have time to help Les with >> this?) >> research an alternative in case SMOE does eventually go "belly up." >> >> Lori, who doesn't have a lot of extra time but will do some >> research anyway, >> Tioga, ND >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of JMDL Digest V2011 #533 >> ***************************** >> >> ------- >> To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. >> Unsubscribe by clicking here: >> mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe >> ------- > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2011 #534 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 15:52:30 -0600 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: Song for Sharon On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 2:19 PM, johnnybgoode@lineone.net < johnnybgoode@lineone.net> wrote: > What I see as the elephant in the room is did she make a > conscious choice not to be a mother again, once money was no object? > > > Assuming you're talking about Joni, she and second husband Larry Klein > suffered a miscarriage in, I believe, 1990. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 07:03:59 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Song for Sharon It's also more difficult for a woman than a man, IMO. There is traditionally an expectation that women are the nurturers, taking care of their men, most certainly in Joni's time.Although I think there have been some changes and improvements (I think of couples younger than me where both parents take parental leave and fathers at least appear to share the childraising equally with mothers), more is still expected from women in caring for a family, and every generation is influenced by the one preceding it so there's going to be some guilt if you try to swim against the flow. If you're a woman artist and you have a relationship with a man, you're more likely to sacrifice, or to be expected to sacrifice, your art for the sake of family. This is also often true in same-sex relationships, where one partner is generally more of the nurturing "motherly" type. As well, if one has a job that pays more than the other, that earner's job is often considered to be "more important" than the other's, so the one with less income usually ends up taking on most of the unpaid domestic work. I think it must be very difficult for any artist to be true to their muse and also to maintain a healthy relationship with another person but that it's more difficult for women, because of cultural/societal expectations and that, even knowing and wanting to pursue art over everything, a woman in such a relationship often feels torn. Joni has mentioned her grandmother who was musical who would act out anger over having to sacrifice her art to be a "good wife" (something about slamming or kicking a door comes to mind.) Having seen that, she would be fully aware of the expectation that a woman should give up her art in order to be a wife and mother. I believe she's still always attracted to men, and they to her, and it's always great at the beginning but somewhere, something has to give."We love our loving, but not like we love our freedom." Where there are two artists involved, there's also a clash between who's the greater or more important artist, I think and, although it's quite possible for them to support each other in an equitable relationship, there's usually an inequality and one ends up giving up part of themself for the sake of the other's career. That shouldn't be necessary and I suppose most relationships are unbalanced in any case, simply because people are messed up and flawed and not always sure what they really want, and then they have such difficulty articulating that (Most of us do not handle any kind of conflict well and either fight or acquiesce and then nurse our grievances) but sometimes it seems to work. I think of John Lennon and Yoko Ono who had their share of problems but where they seemed to have ended up with an artistic and family relationship that worked. (Of course, being extremely wealthy also helps.) And we don't call her Our Lady of Duality for nothing. Joni expresses very well in so many of her songs her mixed feeings about love and life. >________________________________ > From: gerard mclaughlin >To: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" >Cc: joni@smoe.org >Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 6:11:20 AM >Subject: Re: Song for Sharon > >I think she was running away from all her commitments during this time. >Blue Motel Room tells of someone still clinging though, still bound and >tied to someone.Bound and tied is an interesting way to put it and might be >in accord with what you've just posted, John. Personally I think she just >couldn't hack anything anymore. The artist in turmoil striking out, running >away and going inside at the same time to find new ways of expressing >herself. Producing a startling work as a result in Hejira.Freedom has >always been big in Joni but she never seems to find it in relationships. I >haven't come accross many folk that do. She said in an interview that >Picasso always had a new woman for the start of each of his new periods and >she sort of likened herself to him there.Lots of actors get involved with >their leading opposites and after the wedding when the filming is over run >like hell away from it. I guess when you think what you do is who you are >you can make a lot of mistakes whether youre Joni Mitchell, Hugh Grant or >Picasso and people who can be of assistance in bolstering that delusion are >useful for as long as they're useful.Then it's time to move on and create >something else with somebody elses love to fuel your passion.When the job >comes first the people in your life always suffer. Ask any workaholic's >wife/partner/children/friends/mother...lol. A life at the top level in the >Arts must be really demanding of your time and resources let alone having >to commitedly live through the problems that come with a long term >relationship. Joni knew early on that she couldn't stop sticking her teeth >into the hands that brought her things she really couldn't give up just >yet even although all she really really wanted to do was to sing to the >sound hole and her knee. She got too sucked in by the industry to have a >normal life, whatever that is. Theres my tuppence worth. Tosh and bunkum >but I'll post it anyway as my reply to yours. > >On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 7:54 AM, johnnybgoode@lineone.net < >johnnybgoode@lineone.net> wrote: > >> All, >> >> >> Although the details are interesting this is a quite explicit >> and detailed song. It to my mind begs the question was Joni a >> commitment-phobe like a female Hugh Grant? Even though it is wrong to >> generalise from songs and "All I want" and "My Old Man" suggest the >> opposite. Perhaps it is too intrusive to pursue that line of thought? >> >> >> John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 16:34:56 -0600 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Song for Sharon now T-giving and foods and NJC > Turkeys somehow never suggested harvest thanksgiving to me. Yeah, I'm not sure how turkeys became the centerpiece of the American version of the holiday. (Is it the same in Canada?) Since Thanksgiving really is more about being thankful for a good harvest, you'd think the holiday meal would be centered around fall vegetables and fruits. Personally, I'm having leftover pork, sauerkraut and carrots that I roasted earlier this week. Was going to drive 56 miles to have dinner with friends, but I found yesterday that my car's battery has died. I discovered it in time to order a new battery from the auto parts store right next door before it closed for the day, but the battery won't arrive until tomorrow. So, my Thanksgiving has turned out to be some nice alone time with the aforementioned pork and veggies, and documentaries on hulu.com (<-- my new best friend). Lori Tioga, ND ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 10:28:07 +0000 From: gerard mclaughlin Subject: Re: Song for Sharon now T-giving and foods and NJC I wonder what Joni had ? Has she ever sang about turkeys or any meat for that matter. I think she sings about cookin fish but that could be me mixing her up with jesus after the resurection...his best album in my opinion. i know the frying pan was too wide at one point but she didnt mention what she might be cookin in it and i know she was sitting on her groceries at the empire hotel but again never let on to what was in her shopping bag. any ideas ? On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Bob Muller wrote: > roasted > earlier this week. > > > And I had shrimp and crab at a Thai restaurant. A unique Thanksgiving meal > for me I have to say. Anyway, thanksgiving for me is hanging out with > friends and family, none of which are nearby. So to quote Rocky, "for you > it's Thanksgiving, for me it's Thursday". > > We are having a catered lunch today with turkey and all the trimmings for > the ex-pats so that will be cool. > > Bob > > NP: The Beatles, "Eleanor Rigby" (the only Beatles song on which none of > them play an instrument) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 18:13:34 -0500 From: Michael Sentance Subject: Cameron Crowe and Joni From the Hollywood Reporter: And he [Cameron Crowe] has another somewhat unexpected writing project lined up: an interview with Neil Young for Rolling Stone, the magazine that gave him his first break at age 15 (famously fictionalized in the 2000 film Almost Famous), which is slated to run next year. Hes also gathering interviews he conducted with many of rocks greatest -- from Zeppelin to [David] Bowie to Joni Mitchell -- for a compilation called Hamburgers for the Apocalypse. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #609 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------