From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #607 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jmdl.com JMDL Digest Thursday, November 24 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 607 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Song for Sharon [Lori Fye ] Re: Song for Sharon [gerard mclaughlin ] Re: Song for Sharon ["Betsy Blue" ] Re: Song for Sharon [gerard mclaughlin ] Re: Song for Sharon [gerard mclaughlin ] Re: 50 Words for Snow NJC [gerard mclaughlin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 12:15:45 -0600 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Song for Sharon > I've never now why Americans have Thanksgiving Day. Is it for the > end of some war ? That made me chuckle, Gerard. Thanks for the smile. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving#In_the_United_States Lori Tioga, ND ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 12:46:36 +0000 From: gerard mclaughlin Subject: Re: Song for Sharon I've never heard the 49. 29 will do me.Happy Thanksgiving, Joni and all listers. I've never now why Americans have Thanksgiving Day. Is it for the end of some war ? Of course I shoud google it. Confessing to my ignorance but enjoy your holiday everyone ! On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Betsy Blue wrote: > I'm loving all the discussion. Is it possible there was really a diamond > snake around Joni's arm, though? She doesn't seem like a tennis bracelet > kind of girl. > > The "put out to pasture" part is clicking now. It reminds me of her story > about race horses being shot. Was it For the Roses that she was talking > about? > > There are references to going to church for sinful pleasure earlier in the > song and then turning to the occult. Is that the right term? > > And then she reveals that she feels too selfish to put her energy into > family or charity. She just wants to indulge herself. Coke-fueled lust, I > suppose. > > Ah, speaking of cocaine on Thanksgiving reminds me to watch The Last Waltz > again. > > By the way, 29 is a prime number, the number of skaters. I did not like > the switch to 49 skaters. It threw my whole perception out the window to > think there could be seven neat groups of seven on the rink, even if they > were paired and unpaired. > > Betsy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 12:38:48 +0000 From: "Betsy Blue" Subject: Re: Song for Sharon I'm loving all the discussion. Is it possible there was really a diamond snake around Joni's arm, though? She doesn't seem like a tennis bracelet kind of girl. The "put out to pasture" part is clicking now. It reminds me of her story about race horses being shot. Was it For the Roses that she was talking about? There are references to going to church for sinful pleasure earlier in the song and then turning to the occult. Is that the right term? And then she reveals that she feels too selfish to put her energy into family or charity. She just wants to indulge herself. Coke-fueled lust, I suppose. Ah, speaking of cocaine on Thanksgiving reminds me to watch The Last Waltz again. By the way, 29 is a prime number, the number of skaters. I did not like the switch to 49 skaters. It threw my whole perception out the window to think there could be seven neat groups of seven on the rink, even if they were paired and unpaired. Betsy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:43:40 +0000 From: gerard mclaughlin Subject: Re: Song for Sharon Always happy to raise a smile, Lori. Wikipedia is as clear as mud but I get the drift. Turkeys somehow never suggested harvest thanksgiving to me. We had a basket full of apples from which I made a delicious Eve's pudding. Sort of joni content here if we think of the Song for Sharon posts ! On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Lori Fye wrote: > > I've never now why Americans have Thanksgiving Day. Is it for the > > end of some war ? > > That made me chuckle, Gerard. Thanks for the smile. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving#In_the_United_States > > Lori > Tioga, ND ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 11:33:54 +0000 From: gerard mclaughlin Subject: Re: Song for Sharon Song for Sharon. I read somewhere that Joni was on coke when she wrote it. Somehow a George Michael interview comes to mind. She seems to have been feeling stung by something in the song. Trying to find peace in a world where she could find none...bitten by the snake..sparkling snake climbing up her arm... towards her heart. She'd bitten the apple of temptation..success, fame, money while her friend Sharon still had her music and her family and her farm and by the sounds of it some peace which joni at the time of writing this song didn't seem to have.There's almost a prayer in her quoting from psalm twenty three except she's not praying she's more victimlike. There's a sense more of self pity. In Hejira although she is running she is not resolving. Her journey takes her down memory lane, into bed with coyote, someone elses man and through some hauntings by all the disappointments life in the cesspool has brought her. there is no real release in Joni's flight from the Big Apple. It has bitten her back. There's no getting back to the garden in running away.She had tasted it and running from it with its juices still in her belly was still intoxicated by it. Poisoned .Like the song "I can't get no satisfaction" this is a song of the ego.She tells of her ego in the title track and when she goes on later on tour she sees and tells us it has grown into a "Great big ego." Insight without resolution. There's something wrong. It seems everything is a mess. Thank gawd she had dinner on beaches and some fun breaks from her introspection.The poisoned apple kills so many princesses.I for one am still waiting to hear of her resolution. All the stuff since has been brilliant to mediocre but she stopped telling me how she was doing and got all caught up in causes. I would love an album that revisited the journey she was and obviously still is on....that we're all on but then that might be too sacred to share but honestly I'd love to know how/if that wonderful witness to modern life got there in her own words. She was walking down the aisle looking at all these folks she didn't even know dressed in the white dress and veil and thinking "I can get out of this." What a woman. OOO I love her. On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 2:56 AM, Mark wrote: > For some reason, somewhere in back of my cobweb infested head I have > always made some connection to the 23rd Psalm. 'He maketh me to lie down > in green pastures'. I always thought that if there is that connection, it > is purely superficial. Just borrowing from the Bible like countless other > writers have done. But now that somebody has mentioned the biblical > references in 'apple of temptation and a diamond snake around my arm', I am > beginning to wonder. I have fallen and been cast out but I'll get back to > Eden (the garden) some day? > > The song starts out in NYC and ends with green pastures. The two women's > lives are very different but Joni sees some similarity. Sharon still makes > music and sings for an audience of friends and family. Joni finds time for > solitude and reflection away from the limelight from time to time, . > > Mark in a very wet Seattle > (typical November weather) > -----Original Message----- From: Catherine McKay > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 4:37 PM > > To: Bob Muller ; Betsy Blue ; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Song for Sharon > > I hadn't thought of it either, but it wouldn't surprise me that there > might be another meaning. Joni does that a lot. For some reason, though, > when I hear about "walking green pastures," it reminds me of someone dying. > It also reminds me of Roy Rogers and Dale Evans ("Happy trails to you".) > Maybe I'm thinking of the hymn, "The sweet by-and-by." It seems like the > kind of song Joni might have heard on the radio as a child (maybe played > just before the sign-off prayer?) I have no idea where I get that from, but > it just comes into my head when I hear that particular verse of "Song for > Sharon." > > > > > ______________________________**__ >> From: Bob Muller >> To: Betsy Blue ; "joni@smoe.org" >> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 6:28:28 PM >> Subject: Re: Song for Sharon >> >> > Song >> for Sharon? > >> >> I never thought of that but it certainly could be the case. >> The song is of course purely autobiographical. By the same token she could >> simply be referring to Sharon's green farmland as opposed to Joni's more >> metropolitan and hurried lifestyle at the time. >> >> Bob >> >> > Conference Call by The Bickering Coworkers> This sounds like a scream, I >> have >> to hear it! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 18:05:17 +0000 From: gerard mclaughlin Subject: Re: 50 Words for Snow NJC NJC. A friend met me last night and gave me a wee present of Kate's new album.I was sitting out in the Glasgow drizzle having a coffee and a cig. Miserable November night ! Must be having the real thing in its cover, suddenly it's a whole new and simply quite wonderful experience. I think Lake Tahoe is so like Lara Nyro. Oh Gawd I'm loving it. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Bob Muller wrote: > I loved Hejira from the start - I only had C&S in my collection at the > time so the whole "folk-Joni" was unknown to me. As I'm a sucker for a > great guitar riff, the intro to Coyote grabbed my ear from the get-go. I > stretched out on the couch, opened the gatefold LP cover and marvelled at > all the words - it was almost like a novel. I didn't require tunes as much > as I appreciated the textures of it, so unlike anything else I had heard. > My buddy Lee and I listened to it quite a bit and would replay some tracks > just to hear the amazing Jaco bits. > > Kate - was never into her, except for "Running Up That Hill". > > Tori - Two great albums and then scads of unlistenable self-indulgent crap. > > Bjork - Have yet to hear anything from her either solo or as a Sugarcube > that I could connect with. However I will always have a soft spot in my > heart for her covering "Boho Dance" as it completed HOSL in terms of covers. > > For some strange reason though, I'm REALLY into My Brightest Diamond > (Shara Worden) and she has lots of similarities to these ladies. Just a > lot more accessible to my ears. > > Bob > > NP: Television, "Marquee Moon" ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #607 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. 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