From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #467 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jmdl.com JMDL Digest Thursday, November 10 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 467 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Judy Collins on Joni: "She's a difficult woman" [Monika Bogdanowicz <] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 15:05:55 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Judy Collins on Joni: "She's a difficult woman" Well, I've never had the pleasure of meeting Joni but I feel the need to comment on this discussion. It is so easy to paint someone some way, especially those in the public eye. You only see what they present to us. If someone, somewhere takes offense, it easy to get a label slapped you. In addition, our experiences are completely different from one person to the next. You could ask a good friend of mine about me and she would say I'm funny & talkative. You could ask a coworker I pass in the hallway and she may say I'm quiet, maybe even aloof. If you were to ask the cable company their opinion of me, they'd say I was a bitch, haha! It is easy to pass judgement from only what we see, feel, and perceive. It could be that Judy Collins had some experiences with Joni, where she felt Joni was being difficult or perhaps heard stories of such as well. I'm just saying. - -Mon From: T Peckham To: Anita G Cc: Mags ; CoyoteRick ; Mark ; Catherine McKay ; Allison Crowe Music ; "" ; Dave Blackburn ; Kate Johnson ; Betsy Blue Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 4:56 PM Subject: Re: Judy Collins on Joni: "She's a difficult woman" I've enjoyed and pretty much agree with everyone's comments and perspectives. I thank you, Anita, for expanding a bit on your original comment (not that you owed me or anyone else an explanation)--but still, I'm glad to know where you were coming from (as we used to say). I'm not as familiar w/your history re Joni as many longer-time listers are, so I didn't realize (or remember) that you have met her. (Do I recall correctly that you own at least one guitar that used to belong to Joni?) I'm so sorry to hear that you're no longer able to play and sing, and that makes ME take a hard look at the reasons I haven't been doing much playing or singing of late. We all come to the discussion with our own views and experiences and projections. I appreciate your (inadvertently) reminding me of mine. :-) I really appreciate hearing all the stories from everyone who has met Ms. Mitchell in person. They tend to bear out what I've always thought when hearing radio or TV interviews of her--that even when expressing very serious ideas and concerns for the state of the world, or talking about how she views her own work and that of others, there is always a hint or an undercurrent of humor (often directed at herself) that too often goes completely missing in print. But even if I didn't hear that, I still think she is one of the most fascinating people on the planet and also one of the most self-aware, and I love hearing and reading anything she has to say. All the best, Terra On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 4:05 AM, Anita G wrote: > Terra wrote: > > "Or whether or not she has > the right to choose what events she attends and doesn't attend. Why does > respect for her as an artist seem to go completely out the window whenever > it is perceived that she is not behaving the way some would like her to?" > > Terra, you made me think about my own feeling of bitchiness I > expressed about Joni not going to Dave and Robin's concert and > thinking about her not returning Judy Collins' phone calls. I would > like to say that, despite my bitching, my respect for Joni as an > artist has never diminished and, of course, is unlikely ever to - but > I can see how it would sound that way. > > AS many will know, I have also been blessed to meet Joni twice and it > was SO important to me - and she was gracious and everything I could > have hoped. I have often said that my encounters with Joni's > ordinariness have been really important in my own recovery. So what > more could I possibly want? > > When I thought about that this morning, I had some notion that maybe > seeing her music played by Dave and Robin would be really wonderful > for Joni. Then I realised it is just my projection because seeing > Dave and Robin play again would, in fact, be wonderful for ME. I had > an idea that it would be a happy experience for Joni and would being > her joy. Maybe it would, I don't know. But it would certainly bring ME > joy. I also sometimes get grouchy and miffed with her because I want > to see her sing and play again, just as I wish I could sing and play > again. So, therefore, I am owning my projections and wishing Joni a > belated Happy Birthday, however and wherever she spent it! > Love > Anita > - -- "An artist can show things that other people are terrified of expressing." - ---Louise Bourgeois ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #467 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------