From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #335 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jmdl.com JMDL Digest Monday, October 10 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 335 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni's Smile [gerard mclaughlin ] Paul McCartney ballet? [Lc Stanley ] Re: New Library item: MELLIFLUOUS [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Cover me, Canada - so its BYT [gerard mclaughlin ] RE: New Library item: Author discusses race, culture in relation to Joni Mitchell [Susan Tierney McNamara ] RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #331 NJC [Mary Morris ] New Library item: Joni Mitchell: Courting blackness and sparking music [T] Re: Joni's Smile ["Marian" ] RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #333 [Mary Morris ] Re: New JMDL membership requirement [Les Irvin ] Eleanor McEvoy (Joni influences run deep) sjc [Brian Gross Subject: Re: Joni's Smile thanks, Christopher . It got me moving and took me to so many Joni moments. Like her smile it quickened and gladdened my heart ! Joni's Smile. Lovely. On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 5:25 PM, wrote: > Hello, > Christopher Grener here, writing to you from Syracuse, NY. > > Forgive me if I am repeating a story here. Several years ago, I purchased a > Billboard magazine that had a picture of Joni smiling on it's cover. > Despite having been a fan for quite some time, it was the most "hi beams > on" > photo that I have ever seen. I had Hejira on the CD player as I was > working > up a version of it. I was so inspired that a piece of music that I call > "Joni's Smile" just flew into and through my fingers. My guitar was in a > drop C > tuning and Hejira's vamp found it's way in as a musical quote at the end. > > As I build instruments I created what some might view as a sort of a modern > version of a mando cello cross bred with a 12 string - using octave sets > as opposed to unison. I call it a "Chrystoline". > > Below is Dropbox link of a version of Joni's Smile that I recorded and > mixed yesterday using it's voice(s). > > I would like to share this with the group, but, am unsure of the political > correct way to do so. So, I am sending this to you for your approval and or > advice on how to proceed. > > Please note that the Dropbox WAV file is 52 M. > _http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22239107/Joni%27s%20Smile.mp3_ > (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22239107/Joni's%20Smile.mp3) > > I send this as fidelity is important to me. > > But, as it would take some time to download, and as some could not play > this file, I also have attached an MP3 of the same cut. > > I would appreciate knowing what you think. > > If you feel it appropriate to send out to the group, please feel free to do > so. > > It is sincere homage. > > I ask you indulgence of the fact that I am rather old fashioned in that I > believe in asking and not assuming. > > Have an excellent day. > Christopher > > [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream > which had a name of Joni's Smile.mp3] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 05:31:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Lc Stanley Subject: Paul McCartney ballet? Third little video in this wedding one shows Paul's ballet. Do you think he was influenced by Joni's?! http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/security-place-mccartney-weddin g-14698949 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 08:38:11 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: New Library item: MELLIFLUOUS My sense about Joni is that she has/had a fascination with technology while knowing so little about it. On the one hand she has never used a computer and bemoans the world's dehumanization through technology and yet she is quick to jump on the latest bandwagon with 80's synths, drum machines, then the VG8, then the Yamaha Motif, which accounted for most of the sounds on Shine. Her sense of taste in setting the words to their perfect accompaniment pretty much abandoned her through the 80s (I know she says her lyrics about a harsh mechanical world required a harsh mechanical music but that treatment repels many of us from listening to the songs and obscures the message itself in metallic sounds.) I'm sure Larry Klein was the main force behind the electronic Joni albums and it's obvious she wanted to regain some fans after Mingus but it seems strange to me that her extraordinary "taste filters" were turned off for a decade. Shine is an example of a technological neophyte thinking that all these convenient factory provided sounds in her new keyboard would be all she needed to make an album: fake guitar strums on BYT, fake saxophone licks when she had Bob Sheppard available, fake piano when she has a real one, and so on. Most of us that did projects with MIDI sequencing look back at our early efforts and realized the sounds we once thought were so cool are lifeless, uninteresting and immediately dated. It's as if Joni just went through that phase 20 years after the rest of us. Dave On Oct 10, 2011, at 8:21 AM, betsyblue82@gmail.com wrote: > Bob, > > Time has been much easier on DED, except for the "male wail" on Good Friends. Blech! But I digress... > > A lot of CMIARS is boring, and that's the last thing I want from Joni. None of the guest vocalists help. I feel that she must have had no idea who she was at that point in her life. > > The Reoccurring Dream and The Beat of Black Wings are my favorite tracks, followed by Number One and Lakota. Tea Leaf Prophecy is ok as a song, but I like the River version better. > > Wayne Shorter is responsible for an additional half star just for making me so happy every time I hear the last 30 seconds of the album. A Bird That Whistles is a perfect transition into Night Ride Home. > > NP Chinese Cafe > Betsy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:08:48 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: Author discusses race, culture in relation to Joni Mitchell Title: Author discusses race, culture in relation to Joni Mitchell Publication: Daily Orange Date: 2011.10.10 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2431 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:30:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Cover me, Canada - so its BYT NJC Catherine - sorry for my delay in thanking you for the write-up - couldn't see the performances as they are You-Tube based but I appreciated your descriptions. Happy Thanksgiving, even if you are about 6 weeks early. :-) Bob NP: The Clash, "This Is Radio Clash" ________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 16:08:52 +0100 From: gerard mclaughlin Subject: Re: Cover me, Canada - so its BYT thanks for taking the time to post. wz alright. backing vocals a bit dodgy i thought. On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:33 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > Replying to yourself - so classy! Where is everyone??? > > > See link below, where > WDF says he's a huge fan of JM. > > Says it's very experimental' it's a huge > song. > > Says he researched the song and read that she wrote the song about > Hawaii - about Oahu. > > Hard to hear him, as his part is quiet, whereas the > person asking him questions is QUITE LOUD! > > Hear here: > > http://www.cbc.ca/covermecanada/2011/10/competitors-talk-week-four-covers.html > and go to Warren Dean Flandez's bit. > > > >________________________________ > >From: Catherine McKay > >To: Jonilist > >Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2011 10:38:44 PM > >Subject: Cover me, Canada - so its > BYT > > > >In "Cover me, Canada," just aired a few minutes ago, it's Warren Dean > Flandez > >with "Big Yellow Taxi." It's OK, but nothing earth-shattering. It's > BYT, after > >all, already covered a zillion times. What is left to do with it? > Like you > >expect earth-shattering? All that changes is the price that you > gots to pay > >to get in the Tree Museum! > > > >WD Flandez is a little fella from > BC (I think - my > >memory sucks!) of probably Filapino background, with crazy > Rasta-like hair. He > >tends to be soulful to the extreme, does an OK job and > includes some rapping. > >Deborah Cox, one of the judges, says it's OK, but > isn't really impressed. The > >Knight guy (Jordan? from one of those boy-groups, > or onea dem boy-groups that > >my kids listened to ten years ago, but I don't > remember which one - Boyz2Men > >or summat like that, kinda likes it. The other > guy, Somebody Fair, Ron maybe? > >who is a producer of some major big-names, but > who is kind of a grey-man who > >stands out in absolutely no way to Yers Truly, > is OK with it - they are so > >non-commital that I don't remember even two > minutes after. I am in here, > >typing badly, at a commercial break just after > - I am THAT committed to you, > >Joni-Peeps! > > > > > >So, it's a big MEH with me. > But should be here shortly, if not > >already, for dems what's wanna giva > lissen: http://www.cbc.ca/covermecanada/ > >Big bye-byes from Canaduh and Happy > Turkey Day to us! I know it's tomorrow in > >fact,but we kinda did it today, and > I drank too much, but I don't care, > >because I dont' work anymore so whatevs. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:14:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: New Library item: MELLIFLUOUS Betsy, You're spot on of course about Joni's "do-over" of TLP on River, but if you want to hear the BEST take on it don't miss Cris Williamson and Holly Near's version. I didn't appreciate the song until I heard THAT recording. I really wanted to like CMIARS when it came out and thought it was going to be great when I heard the Peter Gabriel duet that kicked it off. Went downhill from there, Beat of Black Wings notwithstanding - loved it at first listen and still do. I thought all the guest stars were gimmicky and superfluous, much like Lionel Ritchie's appearance on WTRF, trying to capitalize on folks who were on the radio at the time in order to get there herself (more Klein's intent than hers I'm sure). Bob NP: Motorhead, "Love Me Like A Reptile" ________________________________ From: "betsyblue82@gmail.com" To: Bob Muller ; "joni@smoe.org" Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 11:21 PM Subject: Re: New Library item: MELLIFLUOUS Bob, Time has been much easier on DED, except for the "male wail" on Good Friends. Blech! But I digress... A lot of CMIARS is boring, and that's the last thing I want from Joni. None of the guest vocalists help. I feel that she must have had no idea who she was at that point in her life. The Reoccurring Dream and The Beat of Black Wings are my favorite tracks, followed by Number One and Lakota. Tea Leaf Prophecy is ok as a song, but I like the River version better. Wayne Shorter is responsible for an additional half star just for making me so happy every time I hear the last 30 seconds of the album. A Bird That Whistles is a perfect transition into Night Ride Home. NP Chinese Cafe Betsy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 16:38:26 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: New Library item: Author discusses race, culture in relation to Joni Mitchell Wow, this is really interesting. I had not heard that story before about Joni singing for Reuben Carter in jail. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 12:09 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: New Library item: Author discusses race, culture in relation to Joni Mitchell Title: Author discusses race, culture in relation to Joni Mitchell Publication: Daily Orange Date: 2011.10.10 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2431 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:21:01 +0000 From: betsyblue82@gmail.com Subject: Re: New Library item: MELLIFLUOUS Bob, Time has been much easier on DED, except for the "male wail" on Good Friends. Blech! But I digress... A lot of CMIARS is boring, and that's the last thing I want from Joni. None of the guest vocalists help. I feel that she must have had no idea who she was at that point in her life. The Reoccurring Dream and The Beat of Black Wings are my favorite tracks, followed by Number One and Lakota. Tea Leaf Prophecy is ok as a song, but I like the River version better. Wayne Shorter is responsible for an additional half star just for making me so happy every time I hear the last 30 seconds of the album. A Bird That Whistles is a perfect transition into Night Ride Home. NP Chinese Cafe Betsy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 04:41:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: New Library item: MELLIFLUOUS Hi Betsy - agreed. And I think you were about 1 star generous. Time has not been nice to it either. Bob NP: Michael Pettruciani, "Estate" (on jazzradio.com, really nice if you are a jazz/blues fan, check it out) ________________________________ From: "betsyblue82@gmail.com" To: "joni@smoe.org" ; scjoniguy@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 1:43 PM Subject: Re: New Library item: MELLIFLUOUS >CMIARS damned with faint praise. >Bob No faint praise here. Joni's worst album. 3.5/5 stars in my book. Betsy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 07:59:31 -0700 From: Mary Morris Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #331 NJC Mark, I have to agree with you about "Cleopatra". While not perfect, it is not a stinker. It is a well made romantic melodramatic epic with great visuals. I live an hour & a half from Seattle & I missed the fact that you're having a 70mm film festival. That's something I would attend. Seeing " Lawrence of Arabia" is also one of those films that really moves you on the large screen. Mary GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS > Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 00:35:30 -0400 > From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #331 > > > JMDL Digest Monday, October 10 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 331 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Cleopatra in 70mm njc ["Mark" ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 21:35:18 -0700 > From: "Mark" > Subject: Cleopatra in 70mm njc > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 12:45:06 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: Joni Mitchell: Courting blackness and sparking music Title: Joni Mitchell: Courting blackness and sparking music Publication: NewsHouse Date: 2011.10.10 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2432 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 00:25:44 -0700 From: "Marian" Subject: Re: Joni's Smile How wonderful that a photo of Joni could inspire you to write such a beautiful song! Thank you for sharing it! I am very curious about your Chrystoline instrument. It sounds like you used it for this song? Do have photos online anywhere? Do you sell them? Marian ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 12:25:28 -0400 (EDT) From: ChamberMuseInk@aol.com Subject: Joni's Smile Hello, Christopher Grener here, writing to you from Syracuse, NY. Forgive me if I am repeating a story here. Several years ago, I purchased a Billboard magazine that had a picture of Joni smiling on it's cover. Despite having been a fan for quite some time, it was the most "hi beams on" photo that I have ever seen. I had Hejira on the CD player as I was working up a version of it. I was so inspired that a piece of music that I call "Joni's Smile" just flew into and through my fingers. My guitar was in a drop C tuning and Hejira's vamp found it's way in as a musical quote at the end. As I build instruments I created what some might view as a sort of a modern version of a mando cello cross bred with a 12 string - using octave sets as opposed to unison. I call it a "Chrystoline". Below is Dropbox link of a version of Joni's Smile that I recorded and mixed yesterday using it's voice(s). I would like to share this with the group, but, am unsure of the political correct way to do so. So, I am sending this to you for your approval and or advice on how to proceed. Please note that the Dropbox WAV file is 52 M. _http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22239107/Joni%27s%20Smile.mp3_ (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22239107/Joni's%20Smile.mp3) I send this as fidelity is important to me. But, as it would take some time to download, and as some could not play this file, I also have attached an MP3 of the same cut. I would appreciate knowing what you think. If you feel it appropriate to send out to the group, please feel free to do so. It is sincere homage. I ask you indulgence of the fact that I am rather old fashioned in that I believe in asking and not assuming. Have an excellent day. Christopher ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 08:04:12 -0700 From: Mary Morris Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #333 Betsy, Re: CMIARS. Can't agree with you here. While not one her best, it is certainly not one of her worst. I can't pick a "worse" album of Joni's as there is always something there to hang a hook on. I generally agree with the music reviewer, except I don't think "Tea Leaf Prophecy" is obscure. Mary GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS > Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 01:43:17 -0400 > From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #333 > > > JMDL Digest Monday, October 10 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 333 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: New Library item: MELLIFLUOUS [betsyblue82@gmail.com] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 05:43:07 +0000 > From: betsyblue82@gmail.com > Subject: Re: New Library item: MELLIFLUOUS > > >CMIARS damned with faint praise. > > >Bob > > No faint praise here. Joni's worst album. 3.5/5 stars in my book. > Betsy > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2011 #333 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 21:25:38 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: New JMDL membership requirement Rob - The bus picks up at the Starbucks across the street from the one you are at. Les, who never thought he'd have an opportunity to use his favorite line from "Best of Show"... On 1/24/2011 9:18 PM, Rob Argento wrote: > Talk about insulting! Myself, I didn't have time to take the test so, being > a believer in the honour system, with head held low and a tear in my I, I > slowly walked over to the bus stop, all of my belongings tied up in a bundle > thrown over my shoulder. The bus showed up hours later but they wouldn't let > me on because I had lost my wallet and all my cash - probably at Starbucks > where I had, over an overpriced Latte earlier been engrossed in the > JMDL-list vs JMDL-Facebook debate. So here I am, in the middle of the night, > standing outside of the Starbucks, stealing their free Wi-Fi, waiting for > them to open in the morning. (I Hope they found my Wallet) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 16:18:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Eleanor McEvoy (Joni influences run deep) sjc http://www.expressandstar.com/entertainment/2011/09/13/eleanor-mcevoy-alone-a t-birmingham-glee-club/ Acclaimed Irish singer-songwriter Eleanor McEvoy was not even aware she was recording her new album when she put down the tracks to the new release, Alone. And when the resulting songs made their way to music executives she didnbt really want it to go any further. As it is, the resulting album, featuring just McEvoybs pure voice and whatever instrument she had to hand at the time, has had music critics purring with delight. Now the singer is on the road to promote the new release, her ninth album, and calling in at Birminghambs Glee Club and The Ironworks venue in Oswestry. McEvoy takes up how the album came about. bIt sort of came about by accident. I had a bit of a hole in the last English tour I did and there were five days off I hadnbt expected and rather than just fly home and come back again I just thought, well, rather than go to another hotel or a B&B I rang a studio I do quite a lot of work at in Norfolk, and said, look rather than paying for a B&B or a hotel can I just throw you a few quid for a few nights and can I stay in one of your cottages? bWhen I got there the studio was empty so the guy who runs the place said bIf you want just go in and play your stuff . . .b So while I was doing that the engineer was doing nothing and said bDo you mind if I record?b I said OK, so he did and that was it. I just spent a few days with no plan of doing anything and I left and I didnbt even take a tape with me. bBehind my back the guy who had done the recording called up Mick, who runs the record company, my partner, and said bLook, shebs got to release this. Youbve got to listen to it.b Behind my back again they played it to the English distributor who also said bYoubve got to release itb.b With just McEvoy in the recording booth, the album features her voice and one instrument on each track, a mixture of McEvoy favourites of old like A Womanbs Heart and Youbll Hear Better Songs (Than This) and some new songs, like the beautiful Harbour, plus her take on P.F. Sloanbs Eve of Destruction. bItbs mostly electric guitar but therebs piano as well. And I play bass on one number actually b Whatbs Her Name? b just because it was there and I had just written the song. Itbs not something youbd ever do for a recording. You wouldnbt just pick up a bass, sing a song over it and then put it out on a record.b But she agrees that there is a direct freshness about the mostly one-take recordings. bWell I hope so. I canbt quite get my head around it,b she says. bIbm really shocked by the reviews because itbs almost against my better judgment that itbs been brought out, you know? But Ibm delighted, obviously.b Although she is mostly identified as a folk artist (more of which later), McEvoy insists she has a wide taste in music, from traditional Irish to rock and classical, having been a session and orchestral violinist. bI was always into a big variety of music but I grew up in an odd kind of situation where I was educated in Gaelic,b she explains. bI was very much into traditional Irish music from a very early age but my sister was substantially older than me and was into Bob Dylan and Leonard Cohen and Joni Mitchell and people like that and my brother, who was older than me as well was into Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin and all of that and my dad was a bit of a Mahler freak. bSo I had Mahler in one room, Joni Mitchell in another, Led Zeppelin in another and then I was interested in pop, so I was listening to Slade and Sweet and people like that.b So how would she define her own sound? bI say folk. But the folk DJs wonbt play me because Ibm not folk enough. Some of the folk festivals wonbt book me because Ibm not folk enough. I think itbs because of the electric guitar, they see that and say bOh, itbs not folkb. bBut Ibm singing about real life. We donbt have dowries, we donbt all wear shawls. Itbs 2011, Ibm writing about meeting people on the internet, about people with eating disorders, about anorexia. I write about stuff thatbs real and relevant, and isnbt that folk music?b We end by talking about one particular memory she has of playing the Midlands. bI better not say the venue in Birmingham but you might gather it was an upmarket sort of place. They made me sign a form, first of all that I wouldnbt take any water on to the stage, then they made me sign a form to say I wouldnbt make use of a naked flame and also that there would be no nudity during my performance. Thatbs the first time Ibve ever had to sign one of those.b So is she not tempted to break all three rules this time round? bOh this time I might just do it!b she laughs. By Ian Harvey now me: I've been a fan of Eleanor's since the mid '90s, having met and talked with her a few times at venues here in the Philadelphia area, mostB recently in 2002 where my ex got to meet her. She's currently touring Great Britain in support of the new album. She'll also be playing her native Ireland in November. Check her out, you won't regret it. http://eleanormcevoy.net/ take good care, Brian B - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. And usually for the same reasons. - ----------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #335 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------