From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #277 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jmdl.com JMDL Digest Monday, September 26 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 277 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Man From Mars [ava rosenblum ] Shadows and Light [Sharon Watkins ] Re: Autobiography ["Mark" ] Fw: Contract reveals Beatles' anti-segregation stance njc ["Mark" ] Re: Shadows and Light [Anita G ] New Library item: Four Nights with Jaco Pastorius [TheStaff@JoniMitchell.] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 13:49:34 -0500 From: ava rosenblum Subject: Man From Mars Thank you Mary for that stunningly beautiful version of Man from Mars. Love her voice and piano. I agree...hearing her current take on things is so meaningful.... I too have been spending a lot of time listening to her lately. So comforting. Lately, SHINE has been striking me as a hymn to humanity & all sentient life on earth. I hope that Joni is well. ava ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:38:47 -0700 From: Mary Morris Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #272 Man From Mars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hEOIGQlRK8 Ok, Laura, thanks, thank you very much!! This song has become an earworm for me in my time at the computer this afternoon. I'm glad I'm not at work, so I can just sink into the sumptuosness of the experience. Does anyone else play Joni over & over & over & over again, till it feels like blood ? I had a college roommate who complained that I played Joni over & over again & I wasn't even high ! This version is so far superior to the cd version, it makes me want to hear her next cd in this manner. I liked SHINE, don't get me wrong - a more refined take on her DED, but this approach - a mature, philosophical, deeply felt Joni at this stage in her life is what I want to hear. Not that she was ever anything less than all that - but to hear her take on things now, well that's what we all hope for, isn't it ? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 12:38:33 -0500 From: Sharon Watkins Subject: Shadows and Light Mary and Laura, I thought I was the only one who got stuck on Joni songs and played them over and over! This past year especially I would sit at my laptop for an hour or so each evening listening to my favorite Joni songs repeatedly. It was like there was a complex of musical flavors that I had to keep absorbing. My teenagers would come in and roll their eyes, "Mom's getting her Joni fix again!" unfortunately my kids are not Joni fans but I keep trying. My son was kind enough to learn Hejira on guitar for me. My daughter, studying graphic design, made a beautiful poster of a fictional Joni concert this year. Wish so much that it was true! Regards to all, Sharon in Texas Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 10:32:52 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Autobiography Very interesting article, Betsy. It seems to be written right before her European hiatus that produced much of the material for the 'Blue' album. I've often speculated about what Joni might have done if she had been a formally trained musician so it's interesting to me to read her comment about learning composition if she had two years off. She talks about beginning to think about adding instrumentation to her music and singing parts into a tape recorder. Reminds me of Max Bennett's descriptions of her process while making 'Court and Spark'. "I'm very possessive about my own art-I think everyone is. I know how I want it to be and I have a very total picture of it. It's expanding now and I can see other instruments. I can't write music though, I sing different parts into a tape recorder. If I had two years off I'd probably go back and learn composition." She started out with a natural gift and built many great pieces out of it as she honed her craft and learned how to use that gift. Some beautiful, some provocative, some enigmatic. She also had a strong sense of artistic integrity and refusal to compromise. Isn't that what art and genius are all about? I relate very strongly to her comments about discomfort in social situations. 'People's Parties' was one of those songs that made me feel like she was inside my own head back when I first became familiar with it. And her need for solitude to create in in the midst of a very busy social life is something Virginia Woolf complained about almost constantly. Biography and autobiography are both tricky things. As Marion said, memory tends to be inaccurate and people with an agenda of their own can put any kind of spin on an incident or attach importance to something insignificant and blow it up out of all proportion. Can an objective truth be documented from the subjective nature of human memory? Where is the value or interest, however, in merely recording a collection of what is verifiable as fact - date of birth, schools attended, dates and lists of recordings and concerts performed, etc.? How do you give an accurate, insightful portrait of a human life? Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: betsyblue82@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 8:24 AM To: Marion Leffler Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Autobiography Marion said "I for one won't be here in 30 years, most likely, or if I am still around I will probably have lost both sight and hearing, so I would prefer an autobiography now:-)" Any of us could go any day. Joni will have new fans, who will want to know about her, after all of us are long gone. Just like Van Gogh and Edith Piaf and Billie Holiday. (Joni propaganda alert.) Is an autobiography really the best way to learn about the woman? I do wonder who will carry on her personal legacy, like many children or widows of legends do. Her biological daughter hasn't known her that long and didn't live with her. I'm sure she has things to say that I don't really want to hear. Her ex-husband probably does, too. I know I would be afraid to cross her while she can still fight back. By the way, I am fascinated by the recently-posted article, circa 1970, in which Joni says her personal life is in shambles. http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2423 NP Angel of Harlem Betsy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 10:53:31 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Fw: Contract reveals Beatles' anti-segregation stance njc This is something that a friend forwarded to me that I thought might be of interest to the list. I believe Dusty Springfield refused to perform concerts in South Africa for this very reason. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- Contract reveals Beatles' anti-segregation stance LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - A soon-to-be-auctioned Beatles contract for a 1965 California concert reveals that the Fab Four took a firm stand in support of the era's civil rights movement, refusing to play before a segregated audience. The contact, which is signed by the Liverpool group's manager, Brian Epstein, specifies that they "not be required to perform in front of a segregated audience" for their August 31, 1965, show at the Cow Palace in Daly City, California. The document will be auctioned on September 20 by Nate D. Sanders in Los Angeles. The Beatles took a public stand on civil rights in 1964, during their first American tour, when they refused to perform at a segregated concert at the Gator Bowl in Jacksonville, Florida. City officials relented, allowing the stadium to be integrated, and the band did take the stage for that show. The Cow Palace concert was part of the Beatles' third major tour of the United States. Signed on March 24, 1965, the contract guaranteed the band $40,000 against gross box office receipts of more than $77,000. In addition to the desegregation requirement, the agreement called for at least 150 uniformed police officers for protection and a special drumming platform for Ringo. The contract is estimated to sell between $3,000 and $5,000. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 16:19:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Shadows & Light LIVE - now Joni covering I Heard It Through The Grapevine Hi Lieve, She played "Grapevine" as the first encore on all of those 1983 World tour shows (and there were a bunch of them including a stop in Belgium). The backing musicians are the band she toured with that year, Klein, Vinny Colluito, Russell Ferrante, etc. Lots of the '83 shows are in circulation - check out Simon's chronology and you'll see just how many shows she played on that tour. Bob NP: David Bowie, "Station To Station" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 00:33:12 +0100 (BST) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: Shadows & Light LIVE - now Joni covering I Heard It Through The Grapevine Thanks for the info, Bob. By the way, I'd already left Belgium by 1983, and would not have had the money to afford any of her gigs, either in Belgium or in England! I'm really grateful to you and Laura for referring me to the library and other information sources, but I simply haven't got the time to check it all out, so I will probably keep stumbling onto things and keep being surprised by them! Lieve in London >________________________________ >From: Bob Muller >To: Lieve Reckers ; Mark ; "est86mlm@ameritech.net" ; "joni2city@hotmail.com" >Cc: Joni List >Sent: Monday, 26 September 2011, 0:19 >Subject: Re: Shadows & Light LIVE - now Joni covering I Heard It Through The Grapevine > > >Hi Lieve, > >She played "Grapevine" as the first encore on all of those 1983 World tour shows (and there were a bunch of them including a stop in Belgium). > >The backing musicians are the band she toured with that year, Klein, Vinny Colluito, Russell Ferrante, etc. > >Lots of the '83 shows are in circulation - check out Simon's chronology and you'll see just how many shows she played on that tour. > >Bob > >NP: David Bowie, "Station To Station" > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 13:26:32 -0700 From: "gene" Subject: Re: Shadows and Light I'm glad I'm not the only one to need a "Joni fix." gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Watkins" To: Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: Shadows and Light > Mary and Laura, > I thought I was the only one who got stuck on Joni songs and played them > over and over! This past year especially I would sit at my laptop for an > hour or so each evening listening to my favorite Joni songs repeatedly. It > was like there was a complex of musical flavors that I had to keep > absorbing. My teenagers would come in and roll their eyes, "Mom's getting > her Joni fix again!" unfortunately my kids are not Joni fans but I keep > trying. My son was kind enough to learn Hejira on guitar for me. My > daughter, studying graphic design, made a beautiful poster of a fictional > Joni concert this year. Wish so much that it was true! > > Regards to all, > Sharon in Texas > > Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 10:04:13 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Shadows and Light On 25 September 2011 18:38, Sharon Watkins wrote: . My son was kind enough to learn Hejira on guitar for me. My daughter, studying graphic design, made a beautiful poster of a fictional Joni concert this year. Wish so much that it was true! > Sharon, sounds like you have a couple of extraordinary children, and anyone who can learn to play Hejira gets a BIG thumbs up from me. That is such a hard song to play! Well done,son. Anita ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 13:47:47 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: Four Nights with Jaco Pastorius Title: Four Nights with Jaco Pastorius Publication: Jazz Times Date: 2011.9.25 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2427 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #277 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------